Now people on MSNBC are saying Bush/Cheney signed up

[helpisontheway]

more voters in Florida than Kerry/Edwards. Then the commentator said this would definately affect the election. I guess they are setting it up for them to steal Florida. Afterwards they will say, "Well, we registered more people so this was the likely outcome!" Scumbags..

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. Didn't I see something here yesterday about 200,000 Florida

minority votes will be disqualified? How does that fit in?

[aquart]

2. Okay, have we been pretending Florida is in play?

That state was pre-stolen.

Can't wait to see what new job Teresa LePore gets.

[OneBlueSky]

11. you nailed it . . . Florida is in Jebbie's pocket . . .

if the Repugs actually do have more new registrants, you can be sure it's because tons of Democratic registrations have been lost, misplaced, or tucked under Jebbie's mattress for safe keeping . . .

[Fleshdancer]

3. How can anyone know in Florida???

Seriously. They just got pounded by several hurricanes in a row not too long ago. How could there be an accurate estimate on how many people will vote?

[vi5]

4. Look, according to Electoral votes, Bush won Florida in 2000...

..and I think Kerry picking up a Bush state is more likely at this point than Bush picking up a Kerry state. So as important as Florida is, losing it doesn't lose us anything we won in 2000 (Yes, Yes, I know technically we won Florida...I'm talking for purposes of EV comparisons).

[flpoljunkie]

5. Anyone know if all the new voter registrations in FL have been processed?

It would not be difficult to set aside new registrants who marked Democrat on their applications and process the new Republican applications first.

Would not put this past some of our Republican Supervisors of Registration. In 2000, some of them actively sought to help Republicans both with registration problems and in the counting of the votes.

[Rose Siding]

6. Here's an article with the stats-

each b/g state is listed:

New Voters Sign Up in Battleground States

snip>
FLORIDA: An analysis of 38 counties where registration totals were available showed 633,132 new voters signed up so far, a rise of 11.7 percent. Democrats increased their voters by 191,544, or 8.2 percent. Republicans signed up 194,348 new voters, for a 9.2 percent increase.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-new-voters-glance,0,1145674.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[lukasahero]

10. Numbers don't add up

If there's been a total of 633,132 new voters signed up, and 385,892 have signed as either Dem or Rep, who are the other 247,240 going to vote for? (My money's on Kerry. :headbang: )

[sonicx]

12. the rest are probably unaffiliated or independent

Kerry will probably get most of those.

[Cocoa]

31. I registered as an independent

I was afraid of getting myself purged if I registered as a dem.

I think I'm not the only one, I think many of those independents are dems.

[lukasahero]

39. very smart of you

and thank you for proving my point. :hi:

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

22. I thought I heard something once

about some new voters getting automatically registered as republicans because party was already filled out for them. I can't remember if this happened in Florida or not.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

25. Floridians Get Pre-Affiliated Voter Forms (NPR audio link)

Here's a link to NPR story (audio) about Floridians getting pre-affiliated (republican) voter registration forms.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3616703

[Roland99]

24. How many Republicans have addresses of Fantasy Land in Lake Buena Vista?

[kostya]

32. But it still doesn't tell you how many will actually vote

That's the key. Any of those new registrants that are first-timers are, by historical standards, unlikely to vote in great numbers without prodding. That's why GOTV programs are so important this year. If you live near FL or can afford to travel there from farther away, consider volunteering for GOTV activities:

http://actforvictory.org/

Election Protection

- K

[sonicx]

7. this is true

by a very slim margin, the GOP did register more voters in FL (AP had a story about it yesterday). however, there are many independents as well, and they will help us.

[On the Road]

17. That's Great News

I had also seen numbers showing that since the 2000 election, Republicans signed up slightly more new voters than Democrats in Florida. I didn't realize there was such a large independent group.

[IIgnoreNobody]

8. AP says otherwise

[Rose Siding]

18. The AP doesn't say otherwise here-

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-new-voters-glance,0,1145674.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

Do you have a different article? I'd really like for this one to be wrong but I haven't come across any other stats.

[IIgnoreNobody]

26. I read a different one

in which they described the new voter registrations in Florida as a mixed-bag. They noted that they didn't have data for some of the most Democratic counties but that R's have a slight lead in the counties for which they do have data.

I hope I'm remembering it correctly, I don't have a link.

[aden_nak]

9. If he's smart (and he is), Kerry is already getting his legal team ready.

[sonicx]

are you kidding

Kerry, the DNC, and several side liberal groups all have legal teams in florida and most other swing states. :)

[aden_nak]

21. Yeah, but maybe they can pre-draft their complaint.

Since they know what's going to happen. Kind of like how the AP pre-writes its debate coverage, ya know?

[Ruby Romaine]

13. wait- someone posted that people were being registered as Repubs

since a company hiring people to register voters was paying $15 for repukes & $0 for Democrats
maybe some people registered as repukes to insure they'd get registered?

[bluedog]

19. yes that was

in our paper a while back.the new voters were issued a republican voter card.................cheats that they are......does NOT mean these people will vote for the GOP party.

[sandnsea]

20. To help friends earn $15

They did that here, I know for sure. That's also where the voter fraud is coming in though, some of the bosses threw out Dem registrations. Still waiting to see whether my son got caught up in one of these deals.

[swag]

14. Recall the scam where new immigrants were auto-registered as Republicans?

That certainly doesn't mean they are going to vote Republican.

[Supersedeas]

27. the FLA scams are starting to get all scrambled in my head, thanks Jeb

[demwing]

15. Every day, something happens that makes me think of insurrection

I don't want to go down that path, I will, but I don't want to.

If our government is stolen, if our votes our thrown away, if our voices are silenced and our rights spat upon, then insurrection is our constitutional mandate.

[AmerDem]

16. Palast spoke of why this happened......

today on Washington Journal. Visit C-Span archives and watch him expalin what really is going on. It's way to detailed a show to list here. His interview lasted 45 minutes. It was detailed, informative and he slapped around a few rightwing nitwits that phoned in.


http://www.c-span.org/

[MercutioATC]

23. In OHIO voter registration in Repub districts was up 58%.

In Dem districts?


250% !!!!

[Kukesa]

28. However, here in Ohio we don't register by party --

when we Dems registered voters, we HOPED and encouraged them to vote for the good guys.

I "heard" that the Repukes made their new registrants sign an oath of allegiance to them before they registered. (This was affirmed by a Board of Elections official who spoke at a meeting I attended; no, it's not against the law.)


Most of the folks I registered were disgruntled, had moved, or had never registered and wanted to make a difference this time. I hope they do.

[MercutioATC]

29. Hence, the "Repub districts" and "Dem districts" wording.

The increases were for districts that were historically Repub or Dem. In Ohio, it IS impossible to tell the actual count.

[Kukesa]

34. OK, I get it. Thanx! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Greg Palast on Washington Journal this A.M. said to watch out for

New Mexico! He said if he had to choose one state for bad things to happen, it would be New Mexico. The show is repeating right now if you missed it. That would be C-SPAN.

[Kahuna]

33. Read: More repuke registrations were not tossed in the trash can.

:grr:

[librechik]

35. I think they meant "signed up more voters than exist"

if I know my Bush tactics...

[Nicholas_J]

36. I have been heavily involved in getting voters registered in Florida

and NOTHING could be further from the truth.

In fact, the results this year have indicated that there are now many more Democrats registered in the state of Flrida than there were in 2000.
In the last year, Democrats have registered close to a million more voters than Republicans have, according to everything I have had available from the Supervisor of Elections offices.

Check it:


AP Analysis More Democrats Sign Up to Vote

Associated Press


THE COUNT: An AP analysis shows that the Democrats appear to be signing up more new voters than the Republicans are in Arizona, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada and New Hampshire. In Florida, the two appear roughly even, based on data from half the state's counties.

WHY IT MATTERS: This could be a close election.

THE NEXT STEP: Get the newly registered voters to actually go to the polls. New voters often are less likely than longtime registered voters to cast a ballot.

(SUBS first graf to correct that Democrats also registering more voters in Iowa)

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/election2004/9952368.htm?1c



Check out even more:

EXAMINING FLORIDA VOTERS

Voter registration by party during the 2004 primary:


Florida

Democrat 4,066,068

Republican 3,705,081

Other or no affiliation 1,982,670

Total registered voters 9,753,819

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/9702337.htm

Whats that, something like 300,000 more Democrats in Florida than Republicans as of the 2004 primaries.

This is alm,ost twice the difference as there was in 2000,when there were only 167,000 more4 Democrats than Republicans in the State of FLorida.

There are almost two million independents, but in Floprida Polls Kerry does better among indies than Bush.

[0007]

38. If you dind't see Greg Palast this morning on c-span (Washington Journal)

I'd suggest you get the video or the transcript.

[Snivi Yllom]

37. whata bunch of crap

no way the GOP has signed up more voters

[Nicholas_J]

40. As of August, 2, 2004

there wre something like

359,987 more Democrats than Republicans in the state of Florida.

Last November, the differnce between Democrats and Republicans in the state of Florida had reduced down to 67,000.

There are no figures, but in the last two months we had registered something like 200,000 voters.

If you use old figures based on the number of people who voted in 2000 and then just compared them to the number of people who are now registered, you copuld come up with such an argument, that Republicans had registered more voters. Not the case. YOu have to account for rolls being purged of voters who have died, moved out of state and so on.

The actual figures for registrations of Democrats is significantly higher.

Regardless of the situation, If the crosoover vote in FLorida remains the same as it was in 2000, for both Democrats and Republicans, Kerry can win the state by 100,000 votes if the same percentages of voters do not vote.