Blowups Causing Dean To Stall

[wyldwolf]

After a politically ugly week of gaffes, blowups and embarrassing quotes from the past, Howard Dean's Iowa campaign looks stalled.

"I don't get a sense he knows how to work his way from the bottom up," said Doshiko Yamamoto, a housewife. "He keeps saying the wrong words, and then he won't apologize," added Beulah van Berkum, a retiree.

They've seen a barrage of Dean blowups night after night as the Jan. 19 caucuses approach. They saw his 2000 comments that the caucuses are dominated by special interests. They saw him lose patience this weekend with a questioner at a rally. They watched him fight with Rev. Al Sharpton Sunday night over race.

And perhaps most of all, there are other issues to care about beyond the Iraq war, which had been Dean's main selling point.

"Dean hung himself," said Linda Adamson, a Des Moines tire saleswoman. "He keeps changing his stories on where he stood."

http://www.ctnow.com/news/politics/hc-dean0113.artjan13,1,3750622.story?coll=hc-headlines-politics

[Gore1FL]

1. More out of context

He was right about Iowa, anyone familaiar with the system knows it.

The disruptor at the rally was Freeper-like.

Al Sharpton brought up race.

Dean talks about other things than Iraq. Want proof, look at the other threads slamming him.

I am getting closer and closer to not even showing up at the caucuses -- I am undecided, and pretty convinced from this and similar threads that the general feeling is that Barbara Bush agrees in part with most people here -- that the Dem are a sorry lot.

I don't feel that way, but these pathetic attempt to push spin as fact is disheartening at best, and frankly disgusting in general.

Considering how important it is to Democrats to inspire people to vote, This and threads attacking candidates (all of them) based on out-of-context spin is self defeating.

If you must complain about a candidate, at least find something real to complain about.

[wyldwolf]

2. Though you may be right, it isn't out of context...

It is quoted directly from the article and,is thus, NOT out of context.

Nevertheless, this article is dealing with how people are viewing Dean. Perception.

[Gore1FL]

4. You aren't out of context with the article

The article is out of context with reality.

[liberalnurse]

13. Oh, your candidates turn is due.

Clark has not even been challenged yet. Mostly he has been ignored up to this point and that has been to his advantage as he is not in Iowa and did not attend the last 2 debates.

Guaranteed, Rove has a warehouse full of slime to throw his way.

See what happened to O'Neill? He needs to wear Depends now at night due to the terrifying dreams.

[w4rma]

26. Heck, Clark didn't even show up for the last few debates. (n/t)

[patricia92243]

9. If what the press calls Dean's temper, they shoud see me and about half

the rest of people. I can temper-tantrum circle around Dean.:(

Voter- if you are deciding your vote based on Dean's temper - it doesn't exist.

This applies to his non-existant "gaffs". If it were Mr. Bush, they would not even be IN the newspaper.

Feel safe to go ahead and cast your vote for Gov. Dean - you'll be glad you did - I promise.

[beaconess]

21. Al Sharpton did NOT bring up race

Dean has been talking about race for months - or more accurately, lecturing everyone else about race. Funny that he can do that with impugnity but when Sharpton points out an indisputable fact about Dean's record on race, Sharpton's the bad guy who "brought up race?"

[JNelson6563]

3. keeps changing?

Like last year he wasn't a Democrat and this year he is? That kind of change? ;-)

Julie

[REP]

5. Or Voted Anti-Choice 100% Until He Decided To Run for President?

[no name no slogan]

28. IF you're talking about Kucinich, you are incorrect

If you check the record, DK cast his last "anti-choice" vote in 2001. He gave his "A Prayer for America" speech in February, 2002. In November 2002, he won re-election to his seat in Congress, representing a very socially conservative district, with 75% of the vote.

After the "Prayer for America" speech, he received thousands of emails from people who had read/heard it, urging him to run for president. Dennis declared his intentions in February 2003, and officially announced his candidacy last October.

So, I don't quite see where 2001 = 2002, or where 2001 = 2003, for that matter. Either you're uninformed, or you're deliberately posting a falsehood about Kucinich.
:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

6. Or never changed... like Dean in this particular instance

"The joke among a lot of Vermont Republicans was that they didn't need to run anyone for governor because they basically had one in office already," said Harlan Sylvester, a conservative Democratic stockbroker and longtime adviser to Dean.
(St. Petersburg Times, July 6, 2003)

[MercutioATC]

7. What's that old saying about never wrestling with a pig?

..."you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it" or something along those lines?

It's senseless to keep reacting to the spin at this level. The campaign has issued a clarification on the caucus statement of 3 years ago and anecdotal quotes from individuals have little meaning when applied to the larger process.

I think I'll stay out of the mud. Let's continue this conversation in a week, when we've seen the Iowa results. That should help silence the naysayers...

...it won't actually. They'll just latch onto some other issue, but at least the Iowa issue will be over.

[Cheswick2.0]

8. this writer is biased

and went looking for negative quotes. Then he characterizes what Dean says as angry etc. Same shit different source.

[jonnyblitz]

10. keeping your google busy this morning I see

Searching for something, anything.....

[cryofan]

11. Dean is stalling because some word is getting out about his true....

....political leanings. The media does not seem to want to publicize the fact that when he was Vermont governor, he wanted to raise the retirement age to 70. He also advocated cutting most of the social security net (see www.mylinuxisp.com/~cryofan/dean.html for proof). But word about this is atarting to leak, anyway. This gradual attrition of former Dean supporters is eating away at his base.

[HFishbine]

19. About your link

It leads to selected quotes from another article. Why not just link directly to the Socialists Review?

[WI_DEM]

12. stalled?

in last two days he has expanded his lead in Zogby tracking poll in Iowa from 2-points to 5-points, while Gep has not moved. Which one is stalled?

[dweller]

14. Stick a pin in it.

dp

[Hep]

15. LOOKS stalled?

Is it causing his campaign to stall or is it causing his campaign to LOOK stalled?

Someone's really not confident about their assertion.

[mouse7]

16. Dean +2 in iowa in Zogby poll

Dean's second straight day going up in Zogby tracking poll.

Former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean has expanded his lead over Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt in Iowa caucus polling, 28%-23%, according to the new Reuters/MSNBC/Zogby Poll.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=778

[msanger]

17. Constant attacks causing dean to stall

Of course, the Zogby poll suggests he's surging and not stalling, but if he was stalling, could it be because four or five democratic candidates are spending all their ammo firing at him.

What I think is amazing is how what seems to be the barrage of attacks on Dean have failed to stall his campaign.

Maybe because people actually believe this movement is about "us taking back our government." Not about who said or did what 4 or 8 years ago.

[Snivi Yllom]

18. Media Whorism!

The media war on Dean is in full swing.

[dajabr]

20. Finished reading this article?

Make sure to follow it up with this one. It's an eye-opener for sure.

The media vs. Howard Dean (Salon)

Democrats haven't voted yet, but reporters have got the story: The former Vermont governor is angry, gaffe-prone and unelectable. How do they know? Republicans, and anonymous Democrats, told them so.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/01/13/dean_media/index_np.html

Get the day-pass, it's well worth it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. 100% on the money (the Salon story)

[WiseMen]

23. Not Fair. Dean has reached a natural plateau. He just needs to hold on.

[Tatiana]

24. There are some fair criticisms of Dean...

His temperament, his rhetoric, etc.

But I have a feeling most of these "blowups" and "gaffes" are media creations.

[dajabr]

25. see post #20

To confirm your feeling.

[Triana]

27. 'week of gaffes, blowups and embarassing quotes'?...

in WHOSE opinion, the writer's? I don't need the punditocracy telling me what to think of Dean or his temper. I rather LIKE his temper. Voters are damn angry. They want someone who will speak for them, who has some fire and passion instead of some spinless, apologetic jellyfish (such as the 'inside the beltline' wobblycrats).

They're trying to take something they know is a positive for Dean (his fire and passion) and turn it into a negative. I'm undecided who I'll vote for, but I can say I LIKE Dean's anger. It's right where it ought to be, IMO.

I'll support whatever Dem wins the nom..

[John_H]

29. Normal people starting to pay attention is causing Dean to stall.

[sangh0]

30. The scrutiny increases

as we get closer to primary day

[killbotfactory]

31. Dean is doomed!

I call the race for Lieberman.

It's Liebermania time!