Dean fights back: "I'm tired of being the pin cushion here"

[Padraig18]

Dean Feels Heat From Rivals, Shoots Back

By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer





MOUNT PLEASANT, Iowa (AP) -- Front-runner Howard Dean, feeling rivals nipping at his heels a week before the Iowa caucuses, says he is firing back at other leading candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"I'm going after everybody because I'm tired of being the pin cushion here," Dean said Monday.


<snip>

Dean said Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt and former Gen. Wesley Clark supported the war resolution without scrutinizing information from the White House.

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Clark made a similar claim to being vindicated by O'Neill's remarks. Clark is running as an opponent of the war, but Dean often notes that Clark said two years ago that he would have voted for the resolution and that there was a connection between Iraq and al-Qaida.

...more: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEAN?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=HOME

[anti-bush]

1. Unity...FLIP...Whine to McAullife...FLOP...Stop the attacks...FLIP

And with the stories about the targeted mailings... Geez. I really used to like Howard, but he keeps making it harder for me every day.

[CWebster]

21. Mary! Mary!

What is my position on this issue again?

[RandomUser]

41. The guy you're responding to isn't even a Clark supporter

LOL.

[robbedvoter]

45. "Gina has veto power" - I'd tell you my position on cuts, but mean Gina...

I didn't dream you'd bring that back again...
Clark may have asked for help to make sure his answer was consistent with his record, BUT HE ANSWERED THE DAMN QUESTION HIMSELF.
Didn't hide behind the skirts of a campaign worker. Sorry to disappoint you and your good friend Adam Nagourney (how much do you love him today, btw?)

[Snivi Yllom]

46. lol

It's getting so nasty im beginning to not care about the primaries at all. I'm getting completely turned off and may boycott the primary.

[trogdor]

92. That's the plan, dude!

Get you all de-motivated to the point where you throw up your hands and say, 'to hell with it.' Don't do it, PLEASE!

[retyred]

53. Even if it doesn't work as expected

You go with what you do best.....it'did seem to work well for bush in 2000, maybe the simularities will shine through.


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[knight_of_the_star]

73. Well-put

He seems to have no issues with dishing it out, but he screams like a baby when he takes it back.

[cthrumatrix]

77. all BS attacks by Rove controlled media ...Dean will fight the

establishment.

It's clear they do not want him...clearly this us why I think he is the best.

[progressivebydesign]

104. Bull..

"anti-Bush"?? You're doing everything you can to make sure Bush sticks around.. My radar goes up when I see the cliched post, 'I used to like/support/volunteer for (fill in the blank) Dean, but NOW I'm disillusioned/questioning/reconsidering/dumping (fill in the other blank here).

Hardly a "flip flop". Nice republican buzz words.

[DancingBear]

2. Thank you Howard

Yes - please do! Show us that vaunted temper, and that "shoot from the hip" style that will keep those "clarification" statements coming.

This is a godsend to every other candidate - they'll use ammo now that they've been keeping dry for weeks.

Dean vs. Clark on the Iraq war? Bring it on......

[KaraokeKarlton]

15. You won't see Dean get mad and mess up

Dean is like Julia Sugarbaker on Designing women when he gets mad. People get told and it's actually quite impressive. :shrug:

[progressivebydesign]

105. Hey..

and maybe Clark can have some people blown to bits during the debates, for show and tell. That'll cover any media questions about his line of work.

[bhunt70]

3. When you start out in attack mode thats what happens.

To set himself apart Howard decided to start characterizing people as Bush -lite. What does he expect when they fire back?

[La_Serpiente]

4. Nedra Pickler day !!!!

Nedra Pickler Day!!! :P

Carry on.

[Hep]

5. Here's what Dean should say:

"If you're stupid enough to get duped by Bush more than once, you aren't qualified to be prez."

[Padraig18]

6. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing!

Yep, although i'd substitute 'naive' for 'stupid'! :thumbsup:

[anti-bush]

7. Here's what Dems should say

If you're stupid enough to get duped by Dean, you deserve Bush more than once.

[Hep]

8. Except

You can't show that Dean has duped anyone. I can show that Bush has been duping people from the start.

Try again!

[anti-bush]

12. I know

I actually just thought it was funny more than anything. I don't believe Dean is duping anybody.

[Hep]

39. OH, OK!

Fair enough!

[Cheswick2.0]

9. terrific

He is attacking them on their record and he should. This is why people started to support him to begin with.

[Padraig18]

10. Yessir!

Dean is going back on the offensive, which is what drew so many of us to him in the 1st place!

[bigtree]

65. he's been attacking the records of others

Kerry's war vote, for example.

[Monte Carlo]

11. Why won't you debate Sen. Kerry one-on-one, Gov. Dean?

Why do you continue to cast yourself as the lone, principled voice against this war? Why are you campaigning for THE Washington political job by railing against Washington politics? Why won't you debate the other candidates one-on-one, instead of lumping them all together as 'pro-war'?

[Padraig18]

13. Where and when has the offer been made? n/t

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[Padraig18]

18. Where and when?

"Plenty of times" is a non-answer.

[Monte Carlo]

24. If you insist on being catered to....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2003-09-14-dean-kerry_x.htm

... and other instances. My memory is not perfect, but I know that Dean has turned down 1-on-1 debates with Kerry. I don't blame him.

[Padraig18]

26. Dean's response, from the same article:

"...Dean said a Dean-Kerry debate would be unfair to their rivals.

"If this really were a two-person race, I'd probably do it," he said in an interview Sunday. "But it's not, and I'm not going to make it into one by agreeing to it. I don't want to get into that kind of decision-making. That's up to the voters."

Joe Trippi, Dean's campaign manager, said other candidates "have boisterously stated their differences" with Dean at debates. Furthermore, Trippi said, when Dean was "an asterisk" in the polls, he insisted that everybody be included in debates. If Dean were to accept Kerry's offer, he predicted, Kerry would probably accuse him of flip-flopping...."

[Monte Carlo]

36. Rather weak, don't you think?

Fair to his rivals to have no one-on-one debates at all? Sounds like someone has a lead to protect and not principles.

[Padraig18]

37. LOL

Only ONE interpretation of the statement...

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

51. Well if he's going to have a one-on-one debate

shouldn't it be with Wesley Clark, Dean's closest competition? Why should he debate the guy in 3rd or 4th place without debating the guy in 2nd place?

[sangh0]

63. Of course it's a weak argument

It wasn't so long ago pendraig was questioning the FACT that Kerry challenged Dean to a debate. It's hard to defend your position when you don't know the facts.

[PVnRT]

102. And it sounds to me

like this is an attempt by Kerry to shove himself up in the polls by going one-on-one with Dean, in effect making people think that he's the only real challenger.

But, what do I know? Obviously YOURS is the only interpretation that could POSSIBLY be right.

[mouse7]

27. It was made over Christmas... but Kerry's barely mid-pack

If there were to be one-on one-debates, it would not be between Dean and a guy tied for 4th place.

I would imagine Dean would debate Clark in NH and Gephardt in Iowa if offered.

[KaraokeKarlton]

19. You don't want Dean to debate Kerry one on one

Because if Dean is done being polite everything negative Kerry has ever done (and there's a lot) will be thrown in his face. Dean hasn't even been on the offensive. He's played VERY nice. You don't want to see him go on the offensive.

[Monte Carlo]

25. Oh, yes I do.

... I don't see how all this 'straight talk' makes him formidable against someone who I know to have a superior debating ability. And let's not pretend that Dean has been saintly with the attacks.

[KaraokeKarlton]

35. Dean would win a one on one debate

Dean thinks fast on his feet. Kerry is a handled candidate, Dean isn't. If Dean goes on the offensive without trying to do so politely, Kerry will end up losing his temper and swearing again.

[The_Counsel]

101. I Dunno....

"Dean would win a one on one debate. Dean thinks fast on his feet. Kerry is a handled candidate, Dean isn't. If Dean goes on the offensive without trying to do so politely, Kerry will end up losing his temper and swearing again."

I dunno about that "fast on his feet" part. He didn't seem to think fast enough in the face of Reverend Al's hack job on Sunday...

[KaraokeKarlton]

109. He wasn't given much of a chance to respond

Because they kept going back to others to let them pigpile. In a one on one debate, Dean will shine. These debates have too many people and it leaves people with 30 seconds a pop to talk. Give him more time to talk and watch out.

[The_Counsel]

115. He Was Given Enough of a Chance.

At the very moment that Sharpton forced him to acknowledge that there wasn't any Blacks in his cabinet, Dean had the chance to redirect and point out that there are less than 3,200 Blacks in all of Vermont and that it was a non-issue. Instead, Dean came back with that lame-ass MLK/Trent Lott "joke." I found myself pissed at both Sharpton AND Dean and that moment...

One who thinks on their feet would find 30 seconds more than enough time...

[mouse7]

40. Kerry has Superior Debate Ability?

All Dean would have to do is right out of the box as Kerry, "Please explain your position on Iraq."

Kerry has been trying for a year and still hadsn't explained it. There story after story of Kerry endlessly rambling off into nothingness. Come convention time, Kerry will still be standing at the same podium rambling.

Long rambles DO NOT win debates. They're good for getting you CSPAN camera time on the Senate floor, but little else.

[The_Counsel]

100. Um... Have We Forgotten....

...that in the last election, Bush was seen as the straight talker and Gore was the "superior debater?" A lot of good that did us, huh?

[edzontar]

23. Because Kerry is losing?

nt

[RetroLounge]

87. Why debate with the guys whose 4th or 5th in the pack?

yup, makes LOTS of sense. about as much as Kerry's IWR vote.

[The_Counsel]

99. Here Are Some Answers

"Why won't you debate Sen. Kerry one-on-one, Gov. Dean?"

Prolly 'cuz he wasn't aware that one-on-one debates were necessary while there continues to be SEVEN other candidates. I wasn't aware of it either, to be honest...


"Why do you continue to cast yourself as the lone, principled voice against this war?"

I don't think he does. If anything, he goes out of his way to include Dennis Kucinich and Carol Mosely-Braun in that list nowadays. Probably becuase he's already been smacked upside the head over this in the past...


"Why are you campaigning for THE Washington political job by railing against Washington politics?"

I dunno... Could it be because at least one Presidential candidate does this EVERY FOUR YEARS? It seems awful successful, too. The last guy to use this tactic successfully is currently running the country....


"Why won't you debate the other candidates one-on-one, instead of lumping them all together as 'pro-war'?"

Like I said: he hasn't done this lately. It just isn't true. Kucinich, for example, has always been against this war.

Come to think of it, I'd LIKE to see Dean and the Kooch go at it on this very issue. Somebody has to explain to DK that dropping everything and pulling out of this war immediately (no matter how unjust said war may be) is simply not a good idea. We broke Iraq, so it's our responsibility to fix it. Not to mention that an immediate pull-out can't do a whole lot for U.S. foreign policy credibility. This is the mess GWB made for the rest of us to lie in...

[mouse7]

16. No... Dean campaign started playing prevent defense for a month.

The Dean campaign is an insurgency. That's what they do. The Dean campaign slowed for a bit because they stopped doing what they do best.

[Renew Deal]

17. Everybody sat hi to angry Dean

This guy is like Jekyl and Hyde. Which personality is going to show up on which day? One day he wants to play nice, then he is on the attack. This guy is a danger to many democrats getting elected in November.

[KaraokeKarlton]

22. No he's not

You guys crack me up with this whole anger thing. Dean doesn't lose his temper.

[mouse7]

29. Get used to it... good chance he'll be your nominee n/t

[dave29]

68. Jekyl and Hyde

Like voting Republican for three straight administrations, praising the current administration and then deciding you want to lead the Democratic Party?

Sounds a little flip-floppy to me

But it's OK - he's wearing sweaters now, so women won't see the Hyde in him.

[nomaco-10]

20. Everytime Dean picks the last round of...

buckshot out of his butt, he goes up 2 points in the polls.

Everytime there's a new wave of attacks on Howard, he gets more free air time.

Everytime Howard pulls pins from his ass, we swing the bat.

I'm sure the level of frustration of his detractors must be rising faster than Howard's poll numbers and campaign contributions.
GO HOWARD!!!

[DancingBear]

28. On a serious note

We honestly really do want him to come out attacking. You folks can send him $50 million, it really doesn't matter. We want Dean to come out and engage the candidates in discussion. We want everyone to see whatever personna Dean chooses to use on any given day, only to use a new one the next time out.

Every night, we say our political prayers before we go to sleep: "Please, let Howard Dean sneak away from his handlers long enough for yet another gaffe. Please let him try and engage a Rhodes scholar on the issues, and let him try and defend his ever changing record on all things everywhere."

You guys know Howard well - do you think you could get him to do that for us? Please?

[Padraig18]

30. Be careful what you wish for, because you may get it.

:)

[DancingBear]

31. I hope we do

It will be great for my candidate.

Do you think we will get it, or are you just raising my hopes up?

:) :hi:

[jonnyblitz]

33. Would the "Rhodes Scholar" even show up?

Apparently he has better things to do than debate...

[DancingBear]

38. No, of course not

He is petrified of Dean. Granted, he's been shot at and been in a war, but that pales in comparison to being face to face with Dean, and watching Howard show his chameleon like ability to change positions at the drop of the proverbial hat.

The Dean campaign listens to its people, right? So, get with it! Send out those "Howard, please debate Wes" emails! Flood the campaign headquarters! Get him out there one on one in NH! #1 vs. #2! Duke it out!

Surely you'll do that much, right?

[Padraig18]

44. I'll make you a deal:

I'll send our campaign an e-mail along those lines, if you'll send your campaign one asking The General to quit ditching Debates? deal? :)

[DancingBear]

47. You almost had me there!

By ditching debates, do you mean Iowa, or the D.C. primary one??

(You know, the one where Dean put himself ON THE BALLOT and didn't show up??) :)

Was Wes running in Iowa?? :)

I think it would be GREAT to have the two debate, although I think a few other candidates might get just a tad ticked off. How about Howard, Wes and, oh, let's say, Al?? We may have to settle for the upcoming one in Manchester for the time being.

I'll send an email as well - if it happens, I'll bring popcorn. :hi:

[Padraig18]

50. No, Wes isn't running in Iowa.

That probably explains why he's polling behind Kucinich there...

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

52. Lieberman's not running in Iowa either

but he bothered to show up on Sunday.

[DancingBear]

59. If I was at 9% in NH, I'd show up in Iowa, too

Hell, I'd show up anywhere.

:)

[mouse7]

32. Both Dean and Clark are brilliant

You don't get through med school being stupid.

Be careful what you wish for. Truely brilliant people are not used to having their intelligence challenged. Dean has survived for over a year. Clark has only been tested a couple of times in debates, and Generals are definitely not people who are forced into spur of the moment situations where their wits are tested. It's been a decade since Clark was tested as anyone's real subordinate on a daily basis. Dean's simply more practiced than Clark at this point.

[RandomKoolzip]

91. What are you doing trying to add a note of magnanimity here?!?

Don't you understand that we're only in GD2004 to insult each other and knock each other down? Don't try to be a peacemaker; Jesus was lying when he said they were blessed.....

[JVS]

113. Yeah, peacemakers suck!

[nomaco-10]

34. Well, atleast there won't be any tapes ....

surfacing, showing Dean praising bushco and company and linking Al Queda to Hussein, or waffling a half a dozen times on his stance on the war. Throw in the useful information uncovered about his lobbyist activities and the fact he voted for four out of the last five repub presidents, as a Howard Dean supporter, I'm not in the least concerned, but maybe you should be.

[DancingBear]

42. I say again

If you think that this will be your line of attack against Clark, PLEASE use it.

We couldn't ask for a better opening - the "angry man" cometh!!

BTW, you've been to the south, right?? :)

[nomaco-10]

49. Been to the south?

I live in the south and have my whole life. Click on a profile before you make an assumption about somebody.
I'll take a little anger over the "I just can't be bothered to show up for a debate" kind of attitude.
As far as the anger issue, it's completely overblown. I was a little angry this morning myself when I woke up and saw that another helicopter had been shot down in Iraq. Should I suppress my anger or could it be considered righteous at this point. Maybe you should be a little angry yourself about the lies bush* told that took us into an illegal and immoral war, then try to muster up a little "anger" about the 500 US soldiers killed and the 2000 others maimed and permanently disfigured and disabled, and then try to muster up a little more anger for the 22,000 dead Iraqis.
Angry, you bet and if my candidate is a little on the angry side, that suits me just fine.

[KaraokeKarlton]

55. Don't you love it when people try to divide by region?

I live in Vermont now, but I've lived in 3 southern states and the people in the south are no different than the people in the north. We all care about the same things and have the same needs. Personally, I find it really silly when anyone claims southerners are so different. It's hogwash. We all need jobs. We all need healthcare. We all need a place to live. We all need good schools for our kids. We all want to live ourown personal American Dream.

[anti-bush]

57. Then why does the electoral map show otherwise? n/t

[KaraokeKarlton]

58. The electoral map just shows

that Democrats need to actually try to win in the south instead of conceding defeat. For as long as I can remember the idiotic conentional wisdom has been "attract southern voters by running a southerner." Sorry, but that really doesn't cut the mustard. It doesn't matter where a candidate comes from, what matters is whether or not he or she addresses the actual issues people care about. It's really not that difficult.

[DancingBear]

60. You hold no patent on anger

Every one of here is angry. What you have done, perhaps unintentionally, is ascribe to me the "non-real Democrat" label that Dean supporters like to use at times.

Do I feel less anger than you? Do I weep less at the sight of young kids coming home in metal boxes under the cover of darkness? Is my patriotism somehow less "valued" because I choose to not follow your candidate? You should be ashamed at such a comment.

If you truly believe this, I feel for you, for you have taken the us. vs them mindset of the right, stuck a doctor in front of it, and proclaimed it just fine, thank you.

With regard to the south, I live here as well, but not as long as you. That said, I know full well the political consequences of Howard Dean in the south, as do many many people who can OBJECTIVELY look at regions of the country. Why did Cleland lose in Georgia? Why does Lott own Mississippi? Why can Kennedy win in Massachusetts, yet not in Alabama? Is Berkeley the same as Birmingham? The reasons are simple, and the strategy even more so.

If you want to run an angry man, fine. Just don't expect those of us who realize the folly to jump on board, and when the results come back with an (R) throughout the south don't pretend you don't know why.

[HFishbine]

54. No, Dancing Bear is right

A better strategy might be to, hmmm, I don't know, avoid debates?

[DancingBear]

62. Wes couldn't make it to Iowa

He was at home, trying to find Job in the newest Dean version of the Bible.

:)

[robbedvoter]

43. Is "pin cushion" better than Job? And which Testament is that in?

Does this mean terry Mac Auliffe's services are no longer needed? How about Al Gore?
I need to know: should I feel sorry or awed by this campaign? Stages change so fast, it's hard to keep up. I feel so very un-hip. Sigh...

[Snivi Yllom]

48. go go go

Take the gloves of Howie GO!

[retyred]

56. Was he given permission to say this?

" Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others."




retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[windansea]

61. poor little pincushion!!

[bigtree]

64. I'm tired of being the pin cushion here

Gov. Dean needs more rest. He will be a pin cushion, a dart board, a target,:freak: all the way through any term he may achieve.

Get a grip!

[Padraig18]

66. In truth, they ALL need some rest.

Frankly, I thought almost everyone looked semi- punch drunk Sunday night.

[bigtree]

70. It should get even more weird as the field tightens

and it will. New Hampshire, where everyone can weigh in on the vote, Dems, Repubs, Indi's, will test their endurance.

Shrub hasn't looked too well lately either. Their work can be grueling.

My best to the Governor. I know that he realizes that none of these candidates hold any personal animosity for him. I'm sure he doesn't think of them as Dean-haters. Governor, bring it on!

[sangh0]

67. Dean lies again: "When people attack me, that rejuvenates me."

In this article, Dean says "I'm going after everybody because I'm tired of being the pin cushion here," Dean said Monday. But a different article in the NY Times quotes the other side fo Dean's mouth:

"I am rejuvenated and ready to fight," he said. "When people attack me, that rejuvenates me."
Surges by Rivals Put Dean on the Defensive in Iowa
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/13/politics/campaigns/13DEAN.html

So basically, Dean is "tired" of being "rejuvenated" by the attacks which make him feel like a fighting pin cushion.

[Padraig18]

69. Absolutely lacking in anything resembling logic.

Nice sophistry, though.:eyes:

[sangh0]

72. Yes, Dean's lies are very clumsy

In the same article, Dean is quoted saying the attacks "rejuvenate" him *AND* make him "tired"

Nope, no logic there.

[Padraig18]

75. Nope, no logic at all in the 'spin'.

His statements are entirely consistent; nothing contradictory in them, in context.

[sangh0]

80. Yes, I've heard that before

.

[Padraig18]

82. I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Given the sophistry in the preceeding posts...

[dave29]

71. what an unbelievable spin

you should really think of a job working for Rove. I haven't seen logic twisted so bad since so many Democrats voted for the IWR.

[sangh0]

74. Yes, Dean logic is twisted

How else do you explain Dean's statements that he is "tired" of the attacks that "rejuvenate" him ?

[Padraig18]

78. I'm tired of doing W-2's for my emplyees...

Doesn't mean I'm not rejuvenated about the success of my business.

Nice try.

[sangh0]

81. Dean is both "tired" and "rejuvenated" by the same thing - the attacks

You are tired "doing W-2's", and rejuvenated by "success"

"W-2's" are not "success".

Nice try

[dave29]

83. when you are sick and tired of something

what do you do? Do you sit on your ass, or are you motivated to do something about it?

You are playing with the word "tired" as if it means he wants to go to sleep. Being tired of something can be a great motivator, so sorry if you don't like the words that come out of his mouth, but please.

"I'm tired of the Democratic Party not standing up for what it believes in" - who said that - and then had his campaign take off? Was there not some rejuvination involved there?

Who did the "sleepless" summer tour. I'm sure they were "tired" during that as well.

You are doing what Rove does, twisting words and logic beyond any comprehensible logic. It's really disgusting.

[sangh0]

88. "motivation" is NOT "rejuvenation"

The "up is down" argument only works on Freepers.

Nice try, though

[dave29]

93. I'm tired of your constant

parsing and twisting, but it is a motivating and rejuvinating factor in my efforts to defend him from pointless crap like this.

Bring it on.

[sangh0]

95. Too bad

you can't explain how someone can be both "tired" and "rejuvenated". "motivated" is NOT "rejuvenated"

Try again, but this time try to not quote Bush*, even if he does sound a lot like Dean

[PVnRT]

107. Just don't bother with sangh0

He acts like he wants to debate something, but the only point is to keep repeating the same thing over and over, despite all arguments and evidence to the contrary. He has a single agenda here, and that is to destroy Dean and insult his supporters.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

84. This is how:

v. tr.
1. To diminish the strength or energy of; fatigue.
2. To exhaust the interest or patience of; bore.


You think he means #1, when he means #2. Simple.

[sangh0]

89. Try again

This time look up "rejuvenate". From www.dictionary.com :

"1) To restore to youthful vigor or appearance; make young again.
2) To restore to an original or new condition: rejuvenate an old sofa.

3) To stimulate (a stream) to renewed erosive activity, as by uplift of the land.
To develop youthful topographic features in (a previously leveled area). "

So are you saying that Dean's "original condition" was "interest and patience exhausted"?

[knight_of_the_star]

76. He's getting what he asked for

He wants to use words like calling members of Congress "cockroaches" and then he screams at the top of his voice that he is being attacked, he deserves it.

He wants to spin Kerry's stance on Iraq (which was identical to his prior to the invasion) so fast that it looks to be the exact opposite, the whine and complain about being attacked, he deserves it.

He wants to go out of his way to insult the other dems in ways I can't even list here (I know what his people have said about Clark, and its just plain below-the-belt), then he deserves what he is getting.

If he wants to win the primary by smearing everyone else in the running, he can, but if he expects to come out unscathed in the process, he's going to have a rude-awakening if there ever was one.

[dave29]

85. It's not a smear when it's the truth

and besidesm he has said he will support, vigorously, the eventual nominee. But you can't just sit idly and let them distort, attack, and undercut. He's going to fight back, and I applaud him for it.

On cockroaches - tell me there isn't some truth to that statement? And also tell me he hasn't proven that he will raise money for Dems - perhaps more than even the DNC could.

Dean has every right to go on the attack, our party leadership has been sucking for years now, and you know it.

[OKNancy]

79. Dean supporters ask yourself

this: If any other candidate said this, what would be your reaction?

I can't even IMAGINE that my candidate would even think to say such a thing. It seems so weak.

[dave29]

86. Let me tell you something about weakness

because Dean doesn't have it.

Dean was the only one with the courage to stand up to party leadership when it was clearly failing.

Dean and Kucinich did not support a popular war because they knew it was the wrong approach.

Dean has built the strongest organization of any of the candidates without relying on Washington insiders to create his image.

He's not selling a product (ie "himself" or his "resume"), he's empowering people to take back their country from a culture of corruption and appeasement in Washington. He relies on his record as proof that he can get things done.

Dean is his own man, says it like it is, and is responding to months and months of innuendo, lies, distorions, and attacks coming from every direction.

When you get this kind of response, you know you must be doing something right - so he is defending it. It is not "Weak" to defend yourself, it is what Dems have failed to do since George W. Bush lost the popular vote to Al Gore.

[sangh0]

90. Ridiculous!

When you get this kind of response, you know you must be doing something right

So can you tell me what Bush* is doing right, because he's sure getting that kind of response?

[dave29]

94. Dean is getting it from both Republicans

and Washington Insider Dems whom he has called out. He's doing something right. You may just have to trust me on that one seeing as how everybody wants to be an outsider now, or atleast have an internet grassroots organization, but can still find fault with every word that comes out of Dean's mouth.

Dean is doing something right - and he's got the organization, money, and determination to prove it.

[sangh0]

96. Can't you answer the question?

When you get this kind of response, you know you must be doing something right

So can you tell me what Bush* is doing right, because he's sure getting that kind of response?

[mzmolly]

97. As a Dean supporter, I am comforted by these words.

As a Clark supporter, I imagine your reaction is different.

Weak? Saying other candidates 'can't win' is weak. Especially when there is no evidence to bolster that opinion.

GO DEAN!!!

[sangh0]

98. NO, it's not about the "can't win" remark

It's the "I'm tired of being the pin cushion here"

Very weak sounding. A real fighter fights instead of complaining

[Padraig18]

103. I hereby appoint you Official DU Grammarian and Orthographer

Use the Webster's and Roget's with care, however, as they contain magical powers... :eyes:

[sangh0]

106. And I'd like to thank all the little people

who find it impossible to read the subject line of the post that started this thread.

And Howard Dean, of course. I couldn't have done it without all of Dean's lies.

[Padraig18]

108. And we little people would like to thank you...

... without whose determined insistence we would never have understood the plain meaning of the plain English Gov. Dean used.

[sangh0]

110. <sangha looks down and waves>

:hi:

[sangh0]

111. Hey, check that out!!

My subject line appears in the list of posts, but when not in the subject line of the actual post

[dave29]

116. <dave29 moons sangha>

and feels rejuvenated

;)

[killbotfactory]

112. Dean is no match for Joe's ninja-like political attacks!

That's how Lieberman is going to win against Bush!

Go Joe!

[JVS]

114. Joe will use the power of the monotone!