I Told You Buchanan Wasn't Our Friend....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/cover.html


He would have supported the Iraq invasions if there were Jews and gays there to be killed...

[geek tragedy]

1. I told you he was tricksy. I told you he was false.

Filthy little Paleocon!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. You Should Have Seen The People Here Defending Him...

Once a puke, always a puke...

[geek tragedy]

3. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Especially the case with bootlickers like McCain.

[Catfight]

6. Ditto, McInsane is just as bad as Bush...all a bunch of liars.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Cept McCain's Not An Anti-Semite, Bigot , Or Homphobe (nt)

[librechik]

9. but he's anti choice--so eff his Bush sucking ways

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I'm Pro Choice

but folks of good will can disagree on this issue..

Take the Pope....


He is spot on when it comes to the death penalty, the Iraq War, and worker's rights... He is on the "wrong side" when it comes to sexuality...

[shivaji]

36. You are right on n/t

[fujiyama]

10. People were defending him?

Yecccch!

People seem to have short memories. Maybe they don't remember his '92 convention speech on the culture war, or his work in the Nixon and Reagan administrations.

I will say he had some interest things to say regarding the invasion and at times I agreed with his points (regarding imperialism), but you could always tell that he had nothing but disdain for the left.

He will always be a culture warrior at heart. Still, Buchanan seems like the type of conservative you could actually sit down and argue with. His support of Bush is pathetic, because he knows how disasterous many of Bush's and the neo con policies have been.

Still that doesn't mean he's a friend by any means. I also think some of his rants/comments have bordered on anti Semitism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. He's Also Made Bigoted Remarks About Blacks And Gays...

He said gays declared war on nature and AIDS was nature's revenge....

[fujiyama]

17. Ah I forgot about those

He's a nasty, bigoted, old blowhard.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. He Also Said He Liked The Washington Of His Youth

before it became a majority black city.....


He also said the fact that America will no longer be a "European" country because of immigration of non-whites is a threat to the republic....

[RoBear]

4. I LOVE the fact that they're so damned afraid of

Hillary. I think the idea of her as chief justice is right on! Go Hill!

[acmavm]

5. Why would anyone here have ever trusted Pat Buchannan? His history

alone shows what an hack he is. He may have been against attacking Iraq but he's sure been pretty comfortable with most everything else this administration has said and done.

People here didn't really trust him, did they?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Not Many

but some...


I had a long debate with a guy who said even if Buchanan was a homophobe we should embrace him because of his protectionist politics and anti-Iraq war stance....

He basically said most gays are rich and don't need governmental protection....

Folks of good will can disagree about the benefits of free trade but there is no room for homophobes and bigots...

[secular_warrior]

22. Agree. Civil rights is the core value of which all other values are built

There is no discussing other policy if two people cannot sit down at the table and respect each other as equals.

When judging people like Buchanan it is always better to look at what their motivations are, rather than on their positions alone.

Sure, he may have some populist and pacifist positions, but his ultimate goal is a "pure" white Christian nation. Some of his policy positions are simply left wing means to a very right wing end: protectionism to prevent "dirty foreigners" from taking white Christian jobs, and isolationism - because if America isn't involved in the problems of "dirty foreigners" we won't have to help them and they won't want to come here.

Buchanan is a nativist. Looking at it from this perspective (ends instead of means) it's very easy to see how all of his positions (culture war, anti-immigration, protectionism, isolationism) fit into a very right wing worldview: "white Christians are the pure, master race/religion and America is our nation which God gave to us. Everyone else is the enemy and must stay out."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I'm Willing To See Both Sides On Almost All Issues

except fundamental human rights...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. But Even His World View Is Conflicted...

Many of the folks who want to come here are Christians, especially those from Latin America....

[secular_warrior]

33. But they're not White and they're not American. (nt)

[MrTriumph]

8. He is right about Neo-cons facing their failures

In a perfect world, wouldn't it be great to see the neo-cons have to face their many failures? But what Pat B. fails to see is the country cannot afford 4 more years of their failures.

Maybe the failure in Iraq will be unjustly laid on Kerry. But that's a risk we have to take.

[AmerDem]

12. who said he was "our friend"

Buchanan is rightwing wack-job of the highest order.

[blondeatlast]

15. About 3 dozen DUers.

It was unbelievable.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Was It That High....

I remember a few...

[AmerDem]

18. I know there were many posts here

giving Buchanan credit for nailing shrub on the war etc. but I have never seen 1 post by anyone here calling him "our friend". Can you provide a link? This sounds like a major stretch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. friend was a shorthand...

there were folks who said we should embrace him...

[AmerDem]

24. I never seen that either

Like I said, I seen many posts giving him credit for hammering shrub on the war, nothing else.

[blondeatlast]

27. There were a few who thought he would go Kerry, among other things.

It made me ill, they obviously weren't familiar with him outside of Crossfire and The McLaughlin Group, where he tones down his rhetoric substantially.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. You Nailed It...

nt

[blondeatlast]

26. I may have overestimated, but there were several who did think

we should embrace him, one recently who thought he was our "friend."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. You're right....

I just didn't want to think it was a majority of DUers...

The man's a right wing nutball....

He's Rush Limbaugh without the platform...

[Mizmoon]

19. I still like Pat

You never know what wacky thing is going to come out of his crazy mouth next. Well, at least he's interesting, in an anti-semetic, xenophobic kinda way.

[sadiesworld]

23. I appreciate Buchanan's stance on the Iraq War

and his concern for our workers, yet I do not recall referring to him as a "friend". Nor do I recall others doing so. This whole issue of "friendship" is a bit bizarre anyway. I may applaud someone on certain issues yet criticize him on others.

BTW, who really thought that Buchanan would ultimately support Kerry? :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. why is the whole issue of "friendship" bizzare

We are a community and there are friends and enemies of our community....

[sadiesworld]

35. I just don't think it is that clear-cut.

Sure, there are some pretty easy calls. The current regime and their lockstep apologists are "enemies" if you will, and there are some really great progressives ("friends") out there that I can agree with wholeheartedly on most issues. But there are others, like Buchanan, who are more difficult for me to pigeonhole. And I see no reason to try.

Buchanan is simply one more talking head. I abhor his racist tendencies. OTOH, he been spot-on regarding Iraq and I appreciate his concern over trade and outsourcing. He is neither a friend nor an enemy to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. maybe he doesn't like trade...

because he doesn't want a poor Filipino, Indian, or Pakistani to get a break...


He reminds me of the guy in the joke that Gene Hackman's character in Mississippi Burning tells about his father.. He said his father who lived in the pre civil rights movement deep south killed his black neighbor's donkey because he couldn't stand to see a ni--er have more than him...

Pat Buchanan is swine...

And I'll repeat my original point... Buchanan would have supported the invasion if there were Jews and gays there to be killed...

[sadiesworld]

43. I will acknowledge that Buchanan provides

fodder for the "anti-globlists are racists" crowd. That is unfortunate.

[UpsideDownFlag]

25. covering my ass moment: I never said he was our friend, however

i did say i liked that he hated the war and neocons.

[DinahMoeHum]

34. Right. Look at him as a convenient ally, BUT keep your arm's length.

n/t

:kick:

[Bush was AWOL]

38. He's right about everything except voting for Bush

and social values.

This wasn't exactly an endorsement of praise.

He basically thinks that Bush and his administration should be forced to deal with their mistake, but he can't vote for Kerry because of Moral reasons.

[madfloridian]

39. You need to back up your statement. I don't read it that way.

Please support this statement to be fair:

"He would have supported the Iraq invasions if there were Jews and gays there to be killed..."

It does not say that, and you are misrepresenting the article. Lest you accuse me of being a Buchanan lover, I disagree with him on many things. However, I think you need to be fair.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. That Was My Opinion Based On His History Of Homophobia And Bigotry

http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos96/2/0125.html




Here's a doozie.

Gay's decalared war on nature and AIDS is nature's revenge...


on edit-I don't need yo be fair to a homophobe, anti-semite, and bigot...

What's next?

Fair play for David Duke...

[Yunaleska]

41. There ARE jews and gays there to be killed

Believe it or not - yes, I know, hard to believe - being gay or jewish is not restricted to geographic location.

Bush has done nothing for GLBT rights and other minorities in Iraq. In fact - the situation has gotten worse in that regard. Minorities are fearing for their lives more than when saddam was in charge.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Let Buchanan Know...

He might revisit his opposition....

[Robbie67]

44. He's a racist homophobe

how could he even be considered to be on our side?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. read my link in post #40

nt