Ok I am freaked out to read about this Pat Robertson thing, here's why

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

I have not been on the computer or near a TV or newspaper all day. I was at my daughter's horseriding lesson from 6:00 to 7:00 tonight and was reading Bill Clinton's autobiography. Somewhere between pages 150 and 166, I don't know why, I suddenly started thinking about Pat Robertson. I do NOT believe in clairvoyance, but I suddenly had this strong feeling that something had further happened INTERNALLY with Robertson today. The biggest feeling I got was that something made him go cold all over today.

I stopped thinking about it and went back to reading about Clinton's year in 1969.

Then came home to read about this Robertson thing. Probably just a coincidence, but it has really weirded me out nonetheless. There is more to this than any of us think, of that I have no doubt. No doubt.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. What Robertson thing?

I haven't turned on the news since I got back from a spiritual retreat over the weekend.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. Robertson has been all over the news today--he told of how shrubbie

talked to him in the days before the Iraq invasion. Robertson supposedly cautioned him about war and to be prepared, and to prepare the nation for casualties. He quoted shrub as saying that there weren't going to be any casualties. This was even on Fox news, I saw the story being covered on the TV in my gym.

There are multiple DU threads on this.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Shock and Awe.

I've said this over and over again. I believe Bush thought he was going to get Sadaam with that pre-emptive bomb strike. He gave Sadaam a deadline but he targeted Sadaam before the deadline was up. I truly believe he thought it would be over in that first hour.

In other words, he's been winging it ever since, flying by the seat of his pants, working out of plan ...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

35. Even if he got S.H. with the first strike, he still would have had to

occupy the country, with the similar result of today.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

21. Thanks

I read DU at 5am, just before I go to work, and again when I get home, which was late tonight.

[TheWebHead]

2. hmmm...

maybe you thought about Robertson after stepping in a pile of something one of the horses left behind :D

[Eye and Monkey]

7. the sight of a horse, as it is walking away - a well-known cue

[KansDem]

11. self-deleted

Eye and Monkey beat me to it!

[wysi]

3. What do you think happened?

I'm reading Big Dog's bio at the moment as well (I'm up to 1973).

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. What I thought

in detail:

For some reason, something I read in the Big Dog's book made me think of Robertson and his stance on the Iraq war (against it). I thought about his book "Where the Right Went Wrong."

Then was when I got the undeniably strong feeling that SOMETHING was going on with Robertson *today*. Then I got the sense whatever it was made him go cold all over (emotionally? Spiritually? No idea) today.

That's it. I shook it off as weird and went back to reading.

[berry]

27. I don't want to be nit-picky,

but I think the book "Where the Right Went Wrong" was written by Pat Buchanan, not Pat Robertson.

Still, Robertson said (per the transcript from Paula Zahn show) that he was worried about the decision to go to war. Maybe he wrote a different book about it?

I too have been wondering why he would say what he said about *Bush not believing there would be any casualties. It was an odd thing for a *Bush supporter to blurt out this close to the election. Curious. Could the Christian right be worried that if (when) *Bush loses, they will get some of the blame--what with all the talk about how *Bush's "faith" is part of what dragged the whole country to war? (Not to take blame for that away from the neocons, either, of course.)

[liberalmuse]

4. Battle Axe Hughes...

called him a LIAR today in the national media. Curious, isn't it? I can't fathom why Robertson would come out with the stuff he did on CNN today.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

12. Please provide a link where anybody in the WH or BushCo

called Robertson "a liar."

[librechik]

30. only by inference, since they said * "never said anything like that"

curious, isn't it? By using that colloquialism, Hughes is not in fact lying! I mean, what she said is different from "never said that" isn't it?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

32. Thank you. How likely is it that Robertson & BushCo

have had a little chat about what Robertson is going to say next:

I misquoted myself.
I said "many", not "any."
I misunremembered.
I meant it as a compliment.
I was having an acid flashback.
The devil made me say it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. He was trying to bolster the chimp

He was explaining how Bush is so wonderful because he was a man of prayer, with great moral conviction. He thought that Bush's resolve, even when Pat was trying to tell him otherwise, was a sign of great strength. This is typical Pat Robertson bs for explaining away their faith-based reality. Only this time he blew it and he just gave the Dems a great big nail for W's coffin.

[Booster]

34. There's an article on another thread that if * does win,

the Republican party will split up into 2 parties; the right-wing and the true conservatives. Robertson said this a long time ago, and with he ego, I'm sure he thinks he will control the 2nd party and maybe try for 2008. When people like Falwell or Robertson make a run for the WH, we really, really to demand a sanity test on all candidates. Can you imagine Robertson in control of the country?
(shudder) He's also been at odds with Bush since Bush broke up his little diamond mine business by ousting the leader of whatever country that was, who was Robertson's partner. Money and religion, doncha just love it.

[DuaneBidoux]

38. We could only hope for such a split

It would be the best thing that could happen for our Democracy. Rid of the wingnuts the Republicans would again become, if not a progressive party then at least not a regressive one (remember, Eisenhower built the Interstate system, and Nixon, crook that he was, presided under the creation of the EPA - that is the Republican party that would be left once the wingnuts are gone) and there could be the possibility of compromise and agreement between Democrats and the reborn Republican party for steering the country forward and solving our REAL problems instead of getting involved with BS like Constitutional amendments to gay marriage.

[Ladyhawk]

40. Don't you think the Dems would also split?

We have people who are *still* voting Nader.

[DuaneBidoux]

44. No I don't think so. What we would essentially end up with

is the ability to pull the agenda enough to the left to hold on to Greens and others (many mainstream Republicans already think the Repugs are way to far to the right). In essence the middle would move left, and the wingnuts would be out on an island somewhere.

[teryang]

5. It's deja vu all over again

Do you have these thoughts often?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. Nope, not at all

though I did have a VERY vivid dream at about 4 am last night in which Kerry was being sworn in. It was damn beautiful, I have to tell you.

[wysi]

17. I frequently...

... have dreams in which I'm telling chimpy to his face what a disaster he is. Usually with a lot of cursing so he can understand me better.

[teryang]

33. I like your dream.

I was kidding, really.

:-)

[clydefrand]

8. What do you mean? Had you not heard the story last night

about what Pat Robertson said on Paula Zahn's show?

I think it's a matter of who do you believe: The lying prez or the lying reverend who says he talks to God and God talks back to him.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Nope, I don't watch TV news

and like I said, I haven't been near any media source, including the computer today. I was in an all day training.

[shelley806]

29. One of the other posts I read today

Said "Does this mean that God is a flip flopper? lol

[Ladyhawk]

41. They both claim to talk to God.

I think God told * there would be no casualties. :eyes:

[GainesT1958]

10. Maybe God handed Pat a "vision" in a dream...

That Dub would lose, and Pat felt the need to go public with his story about Dub insisting there "won't be any casualties" in Iraq so Pat could convince his "flock" that he knew it all the time!:eyes:

B-)

[wysi]

14. Maybe...

... or perhaps it's something else. Strange things happen to people when they get bad news (maybe Pat got bad news from his doc?). Perhaps he's trying to right all his wrongs...

Wishful thinking, I know. ;-)

[classof56]

15. Maybe the RW fundies are beginning to understand something:

Come Bushie's inauguration day 2005, he won't NEED them anymore, because it's the PNAC agenda he's committed to carry out, not the RW fundies', who he has simply conned into supporting him by his "I'm born-again God has called me" line. PNAC has nothing to do with evangelizing the world or making all of us toe the fundie line. It's world domination for profit--and it has nothing to with carrying out God's purpose on earth, no matter how much the Christians would like to believe it is so. Something has caused Robertson to plug into this, and he's backing off...trying to cover his tracks as he goes.

Just my thought on this unexpected turn of events...like you said, more to it than any of us think. Something evil this way comes--could Bush be antichrist? Anything's possible of course. But just in case: Let's vote the SOB out!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

19. I honestly think, though they will vote for him instead of Kerry,

a lot of fundies are NOT happy with bush, beause they expected him to push their "worldview" more than he has.

[DuaneBidoux]

39. They'll NEVER vote Kerry but

a few, here and there, is just the right numbers, might be busier than usual on election day and not quite make it to the polls before closing. At least that's my hope.

[Ladyhawk]

42. I really think * believes that fundy garbage.

I used to be a fundy and believe me, some of them have no problems with gaining corporate wealth while conquering the world for Jesus. I don't think it's an act. It's just that, to him and many fundies, PNAC, corporate wealth and Christianity mix just fine.

Remember, faith is not the result of fuzzy thinking; it's the cause of it.

[clydefrand]

16. Just heard Bob Woodward on Larry King Live say

he didn't think Bush would have said that to Pat Robertson.

Sooooooooooooooo, why would Pat Robertson come on CNN and say it? Something is rotten in Denmark!

[KittyWampus]

24. Bob Woodward's Opnion Counts For Nothing In My Book

I don't know who is telling the Lie.

:shrug:

[bush equals idiot]

25. You know damn well he said it.

That's why it made such a memorable impression on Robertson.

Boy would I love to strap junior to a lie detector. The goddamn needle would fly off the machine.

[shelley806]

23. Read this link just posted

Coincidences are real!


The post pulled an article from the 2000 election in which Pat R. told Bush to clean up his act or something. Maybe this was not planned. It sure has everyone talking about it, so maybe...I don't know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1124839#1124872

[CityHall]

26. Perhaps BUsh expected the Rapture

Is Bush fundie enough to have believed that the rapture would begin as soon as his armies marched into Babylon? That Jesus would come down from heaven to smite the infidel?

[gasperc]

28. if true, then Bush KNEW there was no WMD in Iraq

and went in guns blazing for a quick and decisive military victory that was intended to :

1. intimidate terrorists throughout the world
2. Control the regions oil spigot
3. Bask in the glory of a swift military victory and coast to re-election
4. all of the above
5 none of the above

your guess is as good as mine but I stand by the statement THAT BUSH KNEW THERE WAS NO WMD WORTH WORRYING ABOUT AND SENT IN TROOPS GUNS BLAZING WITHOUT THE FEAR OF LOSING THOUSANDS BY POSSIBLE CHEMICAL ATTACK.

If Robertson's statement is not true then he is lying, likely out of concern that there is tremendous discontent among conservatives over the mounting loss of life in Iraq.

[Mr_Spock]

36. Brilliant! I didn't think of that - you are absolutely correct. He KNEW!

OMG - this is incredible because it proves what we have known all along - Bush is a lying bastard!

[Dancing_Dave]

45. BUSH KNEW, and Pat Robertson is covering his ass!

In case Bush loses because of Iraq, Pat Robertson is covering his ass by revealing this. But I bet Pat is quoting Bush exactly right. It's just the kind of arrogant idiotic thing Bush would say!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

31. DAMN!!! NEVERMIND!!!

As Berry pointed out, I am thinking of the WRONG GUY! Sorry! I was thinking of Pat Buchanan earlier and now I realize everyone is talking about Pat ROBERTSON. So sorry!

Still, wonder what came over Pat Buchanan today? Wonder if he's weighed in on this?

Hmmmmmm.

[AusTexDem]

37. Great, now I have to come up with a Pat Buchanan line.

Like, Maybe he finally looked at his portrait. The one hanging in his attic.

That guys been around forever!

[debatepro]

43. ttt

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