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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:23 AM
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The army of God marching for Bush
The Times
Tim Reid reports
Voters in Florida are voting for Jesus — and John Kerry it seems, is not his candidate



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IF JESUS were voting in next month’s presidential election, Pastor Jim Henry frequently tells his congregation of 11,000 evangelicals, the Son of God would back the candidate most supportive of family values and the Bible.

“And George Bush cares about those issues and that’s why he’s energised the evangelical base,” Pastor Henry told The Times yesterday inside his sleek, modern office at Orlando’s vast First Baptist Church. “And I’ve preached from the pulpit. I’ve told them that if they don’t go out and vote, they should be ashamed.”

For Karl Rove, Mr Bush’s chief political adviser, those words will be electoral manna. Mr Rove is a fervent believer in the power of America’s Religious Right to decide the election. It is now an article of faith inside the White House that if white born-again and evangelical Christians turn out in big numbers, Mr Bush cannot lose.

In the four years since the disputed 2000 election, Mr Rove has been obsessed by his conviction that up to four million evangelical Christians who should have voted for Mr Bush stayed at home, partly because of last-minute revelations about Mr Bush’s 1976 arrest for drink-driving.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,173-1320487,00.html
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:23 AM
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1. Sounds like the army of the "God of Hellfire" to me.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:25 AM
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2. Since when is coke snorting, war mongering and drunk driving family values
As opposed to that evil John Kerry and his notion of "peace"
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:26 AM
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3. Maybe they
should be told of Bush paying for his girlfriends abortion?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:26 AM
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4. Mr. Rove is also a believer in threesomes with his girlfriend and other
lasses, none of whom are his WIFE.

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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:35 AM
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12. and all of whom are most likely still playing with Barbie dolls
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:28 AM
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5. Steve Bell, The Guardian:
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:29 AM
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6. Arrrggghhh!
They will never stop crucifying Jesus.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:30 AM
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7. Biblical values.
such as war, greed, selfishness, environmental destruction and walking all over your fellow man? Hmmm, my Bible must be messed up.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:38 AM
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15. Its just like the Crusades
isnt it? I don't think this has much at all to do with christianity.
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CityHall Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:31 AM
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8. I think Jesus would vote for
the guy who is against capital punishment! (channeling Sam Kinison)
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Harlan James Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:33 AM
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9. Rumor Has It Jesus Was Planning A Return Visit Here
..but after checking the place out said, "Ah, fuck it."
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:55 AM
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23. Could you blame him?

:shrug:
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:33 AM
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10. But What Would Johnny Damon Do? n/t
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:35 AM
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11. The fusion of Church and State
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 09:36 AM by amber dog democrat
What we are seeing here, in my opinion is the making of a fascst theocracy.

This is why I view organized religion as something equavilant to organized crime.

This is a con artist preaching to a room full of sheep. Would the Son of God, ( assuming this is even a valid premise ), advocate the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians as a means towards occupying an oil rich Islamic state ?

Also how do we know the "Son of God" weighs into American politics.

I can not stand these people.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:36 AM
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13. is he supposed to be preaching politics?
What would Jefferson think?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:37 AM
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14. Because Jesus supports big business, the wealthy, and warmongering
And he thought that tolerance and the welfare of all mankind was a complete load of shit.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:43 AM
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16. Even fundies have brains
If the words from the pulpit carried the day, there wouldn't be quite so many sinners among us, would there? The Catholic priests preach against abortions, but how many Catholic women have them anyway? They preach against extramarital sex, homosexuality, crime.

How is that working out?

I think we are somewhat elitist in thinking that some blowhard preacher in Florida is going to lead his "army of Jesus" to the polls like blind sheep. The fundamentalist movement is built upon individual interpretations of the Bible and the word of God. A lot of these folks may vote for the Evil One but others may just as well vote for Kerry.

The preacher is not determinate.

Another question, of course, is the fact that the man has publically stated that he had used his pulpit to advocate the election of George W. Bush. Doesn't that put his tax status in question?
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:43 AM
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17. I wonder if these people will ever figure out they're being used
The Republican party stands for family values in the same way that Colonel Sanders stands for the rights of chicken.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:44 AM
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18. and
we've sent this story on to the IRS right? They like their money and when a church looses its non-profit status they get all smiley. Let this idiot learn about seperation of church and state the hard way.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:48 AM
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19. When the Rapture comes, I'm taking all their property!
:evilgrin:
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:50 AM
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20. I don't buy it
a. There's a lot more than "4 million" evangelical Christians in America

b. Just because a lot of politicians on the right are fundies doesn't mean a lot of fundies are on the political right.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:50 AM
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21. Has this preacher crossed the line in what he says from the pulpit?

DUers in the Orlando area need to visit his church and monitor what is said between now and the election.

I'm quite serious. I am a passionate defender of the right to practice religion but there are laws concerning separation of church and state that I support with equal passion. Those who violate the laws should be called to account. That goes for clergy in my own Catholic Church as well.

Most clergy are careful not to violate the law but it sounds as if this joker thinks he's bigger than the law (and, of course, backed by God -- some religious people are delusional that way.)

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:52 AM
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22. Freedom & Democracy, Likek God's Love, Don't "March"
they do not enter in at the point of a sword.

You cannot force Freedom or Love on others. To do so is essentially rape.
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