HUGE shift among CATHOLICS for Kerry

[Proud2BAmurkin]

When Kerry said he was Catholic and an altar boy in the debates it was the first time a lot of people even heard he was Catholic.


http://www.beliefnet.com/story/154/story_15467_1.html

Two new polls show a significant shift of white Catholics to John Kerry--which, if it holds up, could be a decisive development in the election.

A Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday has Kerry winning among white Catholics 50%-43%--a huge change from the October 3 poll which had Bush leading 49% to 33%.

[LibertyorDeath]

1. Yes!!

:bounce:

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. What is probably pissing the Catholics off more are the reports

that say it's the Evangelicals who will decide this election.

[FreakinDJ]

6. Us Catholics are not pissed off

We know there are a lot more of us then them

and we vote

[txindy]

11. True, plus I think they've started asking the right Catholics

I can't figure out who in the world they were asking before, but whoever it was, I don't want to know those people!

[Lilli]

3. That IS a huge shift!

Awesome.

[rocktivity]

4. Maybe they consider the Bosox win a sign from God

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[DemocracyInaction]

5. That was a whole shitpot of Irish Catholics getting drunk and

partying in Bean Town last night......my son-in-law among them. Indeed, it was a sign from God!!!!

[Bucky]

14. "a shitpot of Irish Catholics getting drunk" --Gee, that's not offensive

At least show a little wit with your ethnic slurs. Say they were "High Keltics" or "Hopped up Hibernians" or "Frosted Lucky Charms". Stipulate that the shitpot of Micks was a golden shitpot found at the end of a rainbow. But don't be blandly coarse.


(Heh. "Frosted Lucky Charms." I like that one.)


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[doni_georgia]

18. Amen! WTG Socks!!!!!

This Braves fan has adopted the Red Socks this year. I just feel it's a very good sign.

[rocktivity]

35. Well, the Bosox DID arise from the dead after the third game!

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. Hey, Schilling said it was God's work

:)

[fujiyama]

7. It probably helped among hispanic catholics as well

in crucial states like NM, and NV as well.

[Gloria]

8. Wonder if more will come over when if they hear that the Pope doesn't

think Kerry is a heretic???

[progdonkey]

10. check out the poll on that page...

"Who's a better Christian?"

John Kerry: 89%
George W. Bush: 5%

Of course, it's not scientific, but it sure is great to see stuff like that.... :-D

[hippiegranny]

13. the freepers found the poll

but Kerry is still ahead.

[Demi_Babe]

12. awesome

[rullery]

15. I suspect that some conservative Catholic bishops

trying to tell Catholics that it would be a sin to vote for Kerry has ruffled some feathers. Americans do not appreciate leaders who try to dictate to them, especially when it comes to our votes. This is as true for Catholics as it is for other Americans. Religious leaders need to keep their political opinions to themselves, whether they are Catholics, Evangelicals, or whatever.

[seabeyond]

16. i think bush base calling me hedonistic

would do it for me. wouldn't have to know much more about bush if he were calling me a hedonist cause i am catholic. i would be offended, personally. but then that is just me

[DemBones DemBones]

22. Bush* said Catholics were hedonists???

He knows a lot about hedonism, I realize. . .

[diamond14]

17. Catholics for JFK (John F. Kerry).....ALWAYS....Catholics will vote

for the second JFK...just like they did for the FIRST JFK....

bush* has attacked JFK in every way possible, with MILLIONS of dollars in attack ads against this life-long Catholic....bush* born-again pro-war crap just doesn't play well with Catholics...

Catholics have been against bush* wars since the beginning....we believe in NEW Testament: if someone hits you, turn the other cheek....

and bush* attacks against Kerry have really been nasty attacks against CATHOLICS.....the reTHUGlicans attacked Catholics when the first JFK ran, and WE stood up and voted CATHOLIC....25% of American voters are Catholic and bush* holier-than-thou evangelist pro-war religiously insane WARS are about to be ended by CATHOLICS....

bye bye bush*....we're not impressed with your social programs of DEATH and DESTRUCTION and your policy of PERPETURAL WAR....bye bush*

(proud to be Catholic for KERRY).....

[aquart]

19. Kerry does not use his middle initial. Why do you?

The fate of the president with those initials is not one we ever wish to see again, isn't that right?

[diamond14]

20. All Catholics use John F. Kerry's middle initial...there's LOTS of

buttons and bumper stickers in the Catholic Community....since I've been VOLUNTEERING for Kerry since last November HERE in OUR Nation's Capital, I can guarantee you the John F. Kerry uses his full name on all his stuff....why are YOU pushing this idea the JFK shouldn't use his GREAT initials? What kind of madness??? JFK is John F. Kerry's initials..."W" is NOT gwbush* initials....


"America needs another JFK"(I got my first button for that at the Democratic Convention in BOSTON, a big-time Catholic Community)....


"Catholics for JFK" is all over everyone and everything Catholic....if you missed it, you're not paying attention....


Catholics LOVE JFK....both the first JFK and the second JFK....there is simply no way that bush* will keep us Catholics from voting for Kerry...only the SECOND CATHOLIC President ever in the entire history of the USA.....

:puke: to all reTHUGlicans who tell us NOT to use JFK's initials...it's his REAL initials and we LOVE it.....why don't you get busy and tell "W" that that is NOT his real initials?...."W" is just a scam...JKF is the REAL DEAL....

Catholics for JFK....get used to it...

(from AMEN1234...proud to be a Catholic since 1950)....

[LittleClarkie]

23. Well, Kerry himself is a bit shy about the F

I don't think he wants to put on airs. It's enough to know that he was a very proud Kennedy Democrat.

It's weird, and I bet many of you will think I'm dippy or won't get what I mean, but he reminds me of Robert Vaughn sometimes. I'm a big fan of his, not only because of U.N.C.L.E. but because of his work as a Dissenting Democrat in 1968. He too was a Kennedy Dem who fought the war. They both have the same integrity and intelligence, were Catholic, and very passionate about Vietnam.

G'head, say it. I'm dippy. Whatcha gonna do.

[Cheswick2.0]

27. I remember the assasination of JFK. He is dead

I find the use of his initials by other Kerry supporters to be offensive.

I remember when the President was shot. I remember Jackie in the Black veil and John JR saluting the coffin. Please don't use his initials for a "cute" political trick.

[UrbScotty]

33. ALL Catholics? My Family and I (all Catholics, of course) don't use the F.

[DeepModem Mom]

21. kick

[DemBones DemBones]

24. Thank God! Perhaps many Catholics have realized that

the GOP is using the fundamentalist playbook talking point that "Catholics are not really Christians" against Kerry. We don't appreciate hearing that talking point.

Also, the bishops who are anti-Kerry have put their foot in it and angered a lot of Catholics.

[WildEyedLiberal]

25. This Catholic was always for Kerry...

... and I'm glad to see the liberal social justice Catholics coming out again, in support of John Kerry. From what I've heard him say about it, it sounds like Kerry's attitude toward faith and mine are pretty similar: it is a deeply personal thing that winds itself into our moral fibers, but yet does not dominate who we are on the surface. And I don't like to talk about religion to other people much more than he does, I imagine. I'm glad the bishops' ham-fisted and sickening appeal to pressure Catholics to vote "pro-life" (obviously life ends after you're born, since they don't bother to talk about the war) was about as successul as their attempt to cover up pedophilia.

[cthrumatrix]

26. correct... another media made illusion

[ScreamingMeemie]

28. Well the Catholic Church made a mistake and stirred up a whole poo storm

here in Michigan. They decided to get involved in matters of state and are devoting sermons and mailings to people with regards to Prop 2...The marriage amendment. People got up and walked out of church. I got my fancy, dancy mailing here yesterday and tore it up. :puke: They have made a big mistake in thinking the flock will blindly follow them. An already struggling dioceses has given a quarter of million to this disgusting cause.

[kodi]

31. surprise! vatican catholicism is not american catholicism

rome seems to expect american catholics to act like evangelicals who follow their ministers thru hell or high water in the name of the lord.

i think american catholics by and large accept and honor the sacramental rites a lot more than any church dogma.

[AP]

29. His third debate answer about faith was incredible. Talking heads ignored

it, but it really resonated with the 60 million who watched the debate.

[Hubert Flottz]

30. Say Amen Somebody!!!!

:evilgrin:

[ohtransplant]

32. AMEN!!!

This study must be why they're trotting out conservative Catholic priests and laymen to dispute Kerry's positions and the quality of his faith.

They don't understand that our faith is not in them or any man and we refuse to be swayed by zealots.


Never give up. Never, never give up. - Churchill

[UrbScotty]

34. Praise the Lord!

Hallelujah!

As a Catholic, I've often wondered what it's like to have a Catholic President; not to make anyone feel of age, but my parents were in school when You-Know-Who was President.

Of course, religion is one of the last things on my mind when I vote - I supported Dean, a Congregationalist, over Catholics Kucinich, Clark, and Kerry in the Caucus - but I'll definitely take a fellow Catholic as my President AND a fellow Catholic as my Governor.

[H3Dakota]

36. Where have they been living?

Under rocks, that they did not already know he was Catholic??? Good gracious, the ignorance of some Americans is staggering.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

37. Do they count

Hispanics as white though?? Some polls lump Hispanics and whites into the same category. Nevertheless, 50%-43% is a great number!:bounce:

[Kat45]

38. There is a group called Catholics for Kerry. Website is

www.catholicsforkerry04.org I've been meaning to start a thread about this. One of the men leading the organization lives in my town, and I met him and went to one of their meetings. They are very sincere about Kerry and the Democratic Party speaking to their faith (as opposed to the repubs). I read an article they had about how one can be against abortion and for choice. There is also an essay on the website talking about being for Kerry because abortions would be likely to decrease due to his policies that would help women/low income people.

They are working to get Catholics to realize that they can vote for Kerry and still be good Catholics; as I said, they feel that as good Catholics they must vote for Kerry. They had a rally here in Cambridge last weekend (but I couldn't make it). Today on Ed Schultz's show, they mentioned a Catholics for Kerry rally to be held soon (this weekend?), I think in Ohio, but I'm not sure.

Check it out. I think this is a good group that can help a number of Catholics realize that Kerry is their best choice.

[jwirr]

40. I read somewhere today that in

the 4 years that bushie has been in office the abortion rate IS on the increase. As someone who has lived in poverty and had a disabled child I can tell you that the government policies toward the poor definitely influence the decision to have an abortion. From newtie to bushie they have encouraged women to have abortions. Let the blame lay on their heads. When all you see for your child down the road is suffering it is beyond tempting to end that suffering swiftly. That said I am also personally against abortion but I can support choice.

[Nightwing]

39. I'm a proud Catholic and always knew Kerry was too

In fact, I made certain everyone in our parish knew Kerry was Catholic as well. Trust me when I say we Catholics stick together and wont let John Kerry down. :toast: