Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

GOOD NEWS: Bush Might Gain 2 Million Votes Where He Doesn't Need

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:09 PM
Original message
GOOD NEWS: Bush Might Gain 2 Million Votes Where He Doesn't Need
Why is this good news, you ask? The more chimp's
support is artifically and meaninglessly inflated in
already firetruck red states, and based on the latest
national poll numbers, the closer or more ahead Kerry is
in the battlegrounds. Get the drift?!
Bwahahahahahahahah.

Bush Might Gain 2 Million Votes Where He Doesn't Need
Them

Oct. 21 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush
is poised to gain 2 million votes this year in the three
most-populous U.S. states: California, Texas and New
York. None of those ballots will help him win
re-election.

With national polls showing a deadlocked race between
Bush and Democratic nominee John Kerry, polls in
individual states show Bush gains over his 2000 totals
in some places he is already likely to win easily and in
others where he is too far behind for his gains to
matter.

Bush's surge of support in states that aren't in play in
this election could even put him in the position of his
2000 opponent, former Vice President Al Gore: winning
the nationwide popular vote while losing the Electoral
College and the presidency.

The scenario of ``Bush wins popular vote, loses
Electoral College is very real,'' said John Zogby,
president of Utica, New York-based polling firm Zogby
International.

States where Bush needs votes include Florida, Ohio,
Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, which advisers to the
president and to Kerry, the four-term Massachusetts
senator, agree will decide the election.

<SNIP>

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a.8ul6o665Yg&refer=top_world_news
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
1. Scandal aside...
I would laugh my ass off if Bush won the pop vote and lost the electoral college. It would be a rough 4 years for Kerry though, so I guess it's not really worth it. It would still be funning though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
2. Why the heck is Cal and New York
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 04:11 PM by zidzi
giving him all those votes? What's in it for these people to have bush for pres?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. I absolutely don't see him getting more votes in Cali or NY.. no way. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
loathesomeshrub Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. Or even Texas...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
3. there is no way
in hell if everyone who wants to gets to vote and the votes are counted that the little war pimp would win the popular vote. there simply are not that many sheeple in this country. 45% tops.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
4. I don't want him winning the damn popular vote!
I'm greedy! I want Kerry to win it all!

Hell, I used to listen to Boortz & Limpballs when they were the only thing on the radio here in Ga. All I heard during Big Dogs term was that he didn't even win the POPULAR VOTE! I don't listen to them anymore, since liberal radio in on the net, but I don't want that kind of BS hanging out there this time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
5. Effect of Bush's concentration on energizing evangelicals and far right
and giving up on swing voters. He is going to get huge right wing turn out and alienate everyone else--and carry alabama and Texas by 70% and lose the swing states.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
je11 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. won't get 70% of Texas
I am working to see to that! Texas will be closer than people think. Early voting turnouts are huge here right now..I don't think near 70% of them are voting Bush. Don't get me wrong, we have plenty of BUSHbots. But you see MUCH more Kerry stuff now than you saw Gore stuff four years ago. The Dems and Libs are coming out the closet (sorry Mary)in Texas and are not timid anymore!

JE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Well, no, but you know what I mean
A fifty five percent win in Texas isn't any more helpful than fifty one, and losing the battleground states loses the electoral college. But Bush's strategy seems to be to do just that.

Hope TX is close, and good luck with the local races.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #5
20. He ain't getting 70% in TX, Hell he only got 59% in 2000
I'm guessing he gets 54-56% this time there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
charleston1 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. or less
You never know with the demographic changes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
7. There may be method to his madness
There is a certain scenario where the electoral college could come out tied 269-269. If that happens, then it goes to the House to decide who will be President next. (what the heck, the Supreme Court's already picked a President, why not Tom DeLay's House?)
Of course, the House would pick Bush, regardless of the popular vote count, but a close popular vote, or even a Bush popular vote victory, would take a lot of the heat off of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:18 PM
Response to Original message
8. This sounds like the media is trying to find a way to report a tight race
for the next two weeks. It would be bad for business to report the Kerry landslide prematurely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Diana52 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Hear! Hear!
I couldn't agree more!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Got to get people to tune into the fourth quarter.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:29 PM
Response to Original message
11. Even IF this is true, he's getting lower percentages than last time in
some of his winning states. So, fewer votes in some places.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:39 PM
Response to Original message
12. Repugs expected to win the Pop. Vote in 2000 also
they were over-estimating their support.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:43 PM
Response to Original message
13. Sorry that is not good news
We need to carry those states to win the popular vote. I'm sorry but I would hate to be John Kerry and win the electoral but not the popular vote. It might be good enough for Bush, and obviously I would take it, but to lose the popular vote to Bush would be mind boggling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Oh, you're right! I'm not shooting for another inversion. I want to win
the whole freaking thing. I want to see Chimp get smacked hard on his way back to Texas. But his exaggerated support in the red states now can explain how the national polls do not necessarily reflect the reality of this election. It's all about the battleground!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:50 PM
Response to Original message
14. I'm perverse this way, but I almost want Bush to win the popular vote...
Almost. ALLLL-most, but not quite. See, if he won the popular vote and then Kerry won in the Electoral College, then you'd get a real groundswell for a real reform of the EC. Perhaps President Kerry could even sign the 30th Amendment into law when the popular vote for presidents amendment is put into the Constitution.

That'd be sweet. But I'm growing increasingly pessimistic about our chances of screwing up and avoiding a landslide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. So what's 28th and 29th?
We only have 27.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
18. In CA , Kerry will get 1,500,000 more votes than bush if
today's LA Times/California poll is close, Kerry 58%-bush 40%

too bad we cannot send some of those excess votes back east :-)

Msongs
Riverside CA
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
charleston1 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Why back east?
How about next door to Nevada and Arizona?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC