To the people I know who are voting for bush: You need to know something

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

You need to know that, with this vote for bush, you are voting for a guy who has already screwed up so badly for four years it is mind-boggling. Imagine how much he can fuck over the country with another lame duck term.

I'm not trying to talk you out of your vote, it's too late and most of you are too far gone for that. He got you with that great boogeyman, the Fear Factor. I honestly feel sorry for some of you, because you are simply uninformed, not hateful (SOME of you!!!). I tried.

But IF, IF he is re-selected (which I doubt, btw) and you suffer as a result of his fucked-up policies (and you will, have no fear, you will and I will) and I know you voted for him, I'm sorry but I will have no sympathy.

Your vote for bush doesn't just screw YOU over, it screws us all.

No pity. Sorry. I am normally a quite compassionate, giving, loving person, but I can only take so much. And voting for a murderous, fascist, thieving, lying, warmongering, hateful son of a bitch with hateful, hurtful, divisive policies who has already SHOWN us what he is about just doesn't engender a lot of sympathy in my heart.

Sorry. You're on your own.

Kerry in 2004! It's our only hope....

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

1. Kick

any other Kerry supporters feel this way? Once, I can understand. I know some good people who voted for bush in 2000 who have seen the error of their ways and been HORRIFIED they voted for him, but twice?????

[rfrrfrrfr]

4. You need to see

The PIPA report in the general discussion forum. It explains alot and confirms what most of us have believed for some time now.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. What is the PIPA report??

I'll go search for it, thanks!

[bain_sidhe]

23. here: http://www.pipa.org/

This is a link to the main page: http://www.pipa.org/

This organization appears to have several "reports" but I think rfrrfrrfr is talking about the one linked from the front page

Bush Supporters Still Believe Iraq Had WMD or Major Program,
Supported al Qaeda

Agree with Kerry Supporters Bush Administration Still Saying This is the Case

Agree US Should Not Have Gone to War if No WMD or Support for al Qaeda

Bush Supporters Misperceive World Public as Not Opposed to Iraq War, Favoring Bush Reelection

Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.

Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have exactly opposite perceptions.

These are some of the findings of a new study of the differing perceptions of Bush and Kerry supporters, conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and Knowledge Networks, based on polls conducted in September and October.

[Ariana Celeste]

10. I feel exactly the same.

Except for when it comes to my momma *love*, but she isn't voting for Bush... she just isn't voting. I have tried to talk her into it, but meh. She is still too disappointed in Perot losing. :) But at least it's a vote Bush isn't getting, right?

[Jeff1965]

2. It does seem a lot like "Animal Farm"

The bleating of sheep about how bad terrorism is and ignoring domestic situations.

[CrispyQ]

3. You (bush supporters) need to put your money where your mouth is & ENLIST!

http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/DD0004.PDF

You & your whole family. Go to Iraq & "support the troops."

I agree -- no pity here either.

[baldguy]

5. "Every man for himself" is the sole Conservative Commandment

They brand the very idea of community as "communist". And everything has a price - including their vote.

It's just that they sell it at such a LOW price.

[bain_sidhe]

6. Ditto. Mega-ditto, in fact.

I have spent the last couple of weeks saying (to myself, of course) that, if bu**sh** "wins" (or it's close enough to steal) anybody who voted for him better not come crying to me when their lives turn to shit.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

12. You put it much better than I did

bain. When your life turns to shit, if you voted for bush, don't come crying to me. Maybe we could even whittle that down enough for a bumper sticker.

I am HOPING not to have to need something like that, though. I do feel Kerry will win, I am just thinking...

[Tansy_Gold]

7. Ed Koch

On The Daily Show a couple nights ago, the former mayor of NYC stated that even though he's a democrat and agrees with none of boosh's domestic policies, he is voting for boosh solely on the basis of boosh's policies on terror/terrorists.

I wish I could have been there, because I would have asked him --
"Mr Mayor, if the fascist policies of a second boosh administration are put into effect, there will be no need for a terrorist attack. The domestic policies of boosh -- the talibanization of America in economic and social as well as religious spheres -- will make this country unrecognizable as America. Would that be okay with you, as a Jew, Mr. Koch?"

[leftofthedial]

8. support for bush = lifelong enemy

I'm not indifferent to them. they are my enemies.

[bain_sidhe]

11. On the other hand...

I find myself slightly irked by the knowledge that bu**sh** has built in so many structural problems ready to land like a ton of bricks on this country, that no matter *who* gets elected, life is going to be difficult for a while. It will be at least somewhat less difficult - and maybe a LOT less difficult - if (when! I mean when!) Kerry is elected. But the problems are built in now, and will bite us in the ass regardless. What's most irksome is that I *know* that the bu**sh** voters will probably go to their graves blaming Kerry, and believing that if only bu**sh** had won, everything would have been fine and dandy.

In fact, should the chimperor get another four years, I suspect that my only consolation will be that these willfully blind voters will have no choice but to see that it's their fault, for allowing themselves to be snookered AGAIN.

**edit for tyop**

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. Hey if they can UNFAIRLY blame Clinton

for everything from the fall of Rome to the movie Gigli, then we can FAIRLY blame bush for what he is responsible for!!!!!!

Let's get together tons of money and start buying up media outlets to defend Kerry.

[bain_sidhe]

17. I know, but they won't buy it.

they will buy the lies the repugs throw at them, chase every red herring the god-squad drags across their path, close their eyes to every rational argument and just KNOW (that old faith-based thing) that bu**sh** would have done better - and in four years, they'll vote repug again to "fix the mess" that Kerry has made.

[olddem43]

14. I certainly feel this way and I would add that everyone that doesn't

try to do something positive (canvassing, donating, LTTEs etc.) are also partly responsible if Kerry doesn't win.

[sandnsea]

15. Yep

My husband and I just "discussed" this last night after I told a friend of ours he was fucking stupid. Yeah, not so nice but my husband's been playing patty-cake with this guy for a year now. Yeah, he's 70 and stuck in his ways. But I'm sick of the hate. He went off on the fags, I went off on him. I have flat out had it with these people. If we had confronted these bigots and racists 30 years ago, maybe we'd have a different country today.

[bain_sidhe]

16. And another thing....

(Sorry Moonbeam, you touched a nerve here) along those same lines... for the last week (maybe two weeks, I've kinda lost track) I've been in a state of deep funk from the realization that, due to the "life turning to shit" factor, the re-selection of bu**sh** would do more to break the Repug hold on "middle America" than anything Kerry or the Democrats could - or would - do. And yet, I think of the Supreme Court and the environment and the labor movement hanging on by the last shreds of its fingernails, and I know I have to do anything I can to make sure that doesn't happen.

You know what? I'm TIRED of saving them from themselves. I'm TIRED of cleaning up their messes and then having Democrats blamed for the pain cleaning up causes. A certain dark spot in my soul wants to see them SUFFER for their spiteful ignorance and spiteful lies and just plain SPITE.

Whew. Glad I got that off my chest. (Except of course, it's still sitting there, like a lead weight as I watch this election - that shouldn't even be CLOSE - go down to the wire. I want them to know IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT, DAMNIT!)

Whew again.
</rant suspended for now>

**edit: ranting fingers are not precise fingers**

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. I'll just say

you aren't the first person who has thought that way/felt that way. I have too. A lot. Too much.

[bain_sidhe]

21. Glad I'm not alone... I feel very ashamed of myself, but...

I'm the kind of person who takes a spider outside rather than kill it. I put out food for the possums and raccoons in the coldest winter weather. (It's not right to feed them all the time - stunts their growth, not to mention their foraging skills.) But I can't help it. I've seen SO much damage these last four years. In 2000, I had a job that required me to research his record, so I actually KNEW that bu**sh** would be bad (not THIS bad, but I mean I wasn't one of those who figured he couldn't do much damage, or believed his "compassionate conservative" schtick. Tried to get the word out (I was running a fairly well-trafficked website).

So when I see people wandering around with their heads up their butts while bu**sh** and the neoCONs screw them, their kids and the next three generations, I just want them to LEARN TO FUCKING PAY ATTENTION!! Even if they have to learn it the hard way.

Ok, I'm still not over it, can you tell?

[NoPasaran]

19. I'm sick of saving them from themselves too

But unfortunately we're all in the same boat. It's just not practical to laugh as "their half" sinks.

[bain_sidhe]

26. I know we're all in the same boat...

And I'm not talking about "laughing" - just ranting at the unfairness of it all. But, you're right. The Supreme Court alone is enough of a reason not to let it happen, despite my angst at being put in the position of trying to "save them from themselves" yet again, AND, on top of that, limit bu**sh**'s damage to the repugs. Add in the environment and endless war and the debt that our kids and their kids and their kids will be paying, and I'd have to be a fool not to work my little (ok, not so little) butt off.

Doesn't change how I feel, though.

[tedoll78]

20. Oh yes.

Amen.

If someone begins complaining to me about how much their prescriptions cost, how much tuition has gone up, how much they miss getting a return on their stock market investment, how much they hate $2.50/gallon gas, etc.. I'll ask, "Whom did you vote for in 2004?" And if they tell me Bush, I'll just say, "Well.. you got what you've voted for. When you learn your lesson, let me know."

[seabeyond]

22. often moonbeam i look up to see your name

and say yup, totally agree. i too am now saying this to people. yesterday my son said if bush wins and i have to go back to school it is going to be horrible. no i told him. first we were informed, we did our job, we voted against bush, so this isnt our lesson. and as bush screws things up you can be i am going to each of these people and say i told you so.........all over the place, each and every time

[Lerkfish]

24. a freeper coworker this week told me no Iraqi children have been killed

by our forces. I couldn't believe it. I told there have been and he accused me of lying.
Then he said no one was tortured in Abu Ghraib, they just had underwear put on their heads.
When I pointed that at least 32 people we know of were tortured to DEATH, he said so? that's just 30 people, who cares?

I honestly don't know how you get through to a person like that. at the end he told me I could keep believing lies but he was going to continue believing the truth.

this is bush's base: refugees from Bizarro world.

[evilqueen]

28. tell him to enlist

so he can see what's happening "up close and personal" and then he can come back and tell you what's really going on over there.

Failing that, perhaps he'd be persuaded to research things for himself. Libraries are free. Librarians will help patrons do research, for free. He can contact newspapers, journalists, or photographers who were there. He doesn't have to rely on what's on the internet (which likely he would think was all photoshopped crap).

[NinetySix]

25. I'll second that. n/t

[Tim_in_HK]

27. Unfortunately if *

is re-elected, it won't be a lame duck term.