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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:13 PM
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I just wrote my inlaws -- it may be the last time we speak
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 10:16 PM by Atman
I just sent the letter below to my wife's parents in Florida.
My mother-in-law says she can't possibly vote for Kerry
because of his bragging about his military service. Her
brother was in "the Big One" and HE never bragged
about HIS service. The fact that he died 30 years ago doesn't
seem to phase her. My wife has chosen to simply ignore her,
says she's clueless anyway. But with election day coming, I
couldn't be quiet any longer.

====

[Your daughter] would probably not be happy with me if she
knew I sent this, but I cannot tell you how concerned I am
about what may happen on election day. Both [our sons] are
draft age (or close), as is [their cousin], and it was
recently announced that the Pentagon has plans to call up any
medical personnel -- doctors and NURSES -- under the age of
45. Concievably, my entire family could be sent to Iraq
because of Bush's lies about mushroom clouds and WMD. Don't
believe Bush when he says he won't institute a draft. These
are published plans, on the books. Cable news just won't tell
you about it. But Bush has lied about everything else he's
done since being elected, and being a second-termer will only
further embolden him. Then I saw the article I copied below.
No hysterical conspiracy theories, no ranting about 9/11, just
a snap-shot about what is going on in this new old America.
Lots of stuff that is VERY un-American. Please, please, I beg
of you...allow your grandkids to enjoy the freedoms you and
[your husband] and me and [your daughter] have all enjoyed for
so long. Do not vote for George Bush. Don't vote for Kerry if
you don't want to. I have a feeling your vote will not be
counted down there anyway. But please...I've held off writing
to you for a long time. Now I am really worried. I love you
both, and I love your daughter more than my own life itself.
I'll do what I can to protect them and keep them safe, even if
that means alienating you via this letter (although I
obviously don't want that to happen). This is that important.
Turn off Fox news if you watch it, get a copy of Fahrenheit
9/11, and get your friends in the neighborhood to go with you
to the polls and vote against Bush. If you'd like some more
research material, I'll send it along. Pray for peace. Big,
big shit is going to go down if Bush is allowed to steal
another election. I love you guys! - [Me]

==

The article I C&P'd was the recent post here about the 55
year old life-long Republican who is voting for Kerry after
witnessing three school teachers ejected from a Bush rally for
wearing a "Protect Our Civil Liberties" shirt.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:15 PM
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1. Is she voting for Bush because he isn't bragging about his "service"?
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juliagoolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:15 PM
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2. That took GUTS..
But don't you feel better now.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:17 PM
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3. I feel better
I've wanted to do that for weeks. I promised myself I'd hold off as long as possible. This was the day, I guess!
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CMO Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:22 PM
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5. Thats a good letter...
I don't think you in-laws will disown you. That came from the heart and they know that you are just concerned about your family. Good for you!!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:28 PM
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9. you gave her plenty of time to think about what you've said and still
get out there and do something about it. You're a good man.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:55 PM
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17. I know what you mean. I've been holding off writing to RW
relatives for a long time. Recently, I've been sending TONS of data, articles, clips from DU, pictures, etc. to this person. I also add my sincere thoughts about how bad Bush is.

I was getting the feeling that the person I'm writing to was not so sure about Kerry over Bush. They always got quiet when I started talking politics and made little remarks about Democrats being not so swift either..blah blah..

Finally, I just had enough. I felt like I was doing a disservice by NOT pumping in the info like I should have been doing. I don't know if this family member will respond with yea or nay or anything at all (haven't heard back a single word in over two weeks)but I felt compelled to speak up.

Frankly, I'm pretty shocked to learn that some members of my family are either apathetic or totally mis informed about this election. I'm further stunned that they have such narrow views of Democracy and other things.......I never noticed it before now. It's a sad state of affairs when politics divides families. :(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:21 PM
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4. Kerry was Not bragging..it was justified when
bush says he can't lead on terror. It was right that Kerry framed his service into the Democratic Convention.

I have never been around the military or wanted to but I can see where in this time and space Kerry needed to show what he's done..

Kerry is fighting with everything he's got now and I couldn't be more proud of our candidate.

That's quite a letter Atman..I hope you get the results you want.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:22 PM
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6. She won't vote for someone who "brags" about his service?
Did she vote for Eisenhower?

She would rather vote for someone who is behind a vicious smear campaign against a veteran who is carrying shrapnel in his leg from the war?

She would rather vote for a man who sent our men and women to war based on a lie?

The ONLY reason Kerry has stressed his war record in this election is because Rove and the bastards that run the Bush campaign planned the Swift Boat smear campaign over a year ago, and Kerry had to defend his service to this country.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:41 PM
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11. It is likely that the following may have influenced the MIL's attitude
This bit of propaganda has been making it's way around the RW circuit. One of the Christian Bush lovers on the organic gardening message board I belong to posted this little gem a while back. Makes me want to wretch, but it may help explain why atman's MIL is using it as a reason not to vote for Kerry.

*WARNING* THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS REALLY RETARDED RHETORIC THAT IS OBVIOUSLY AN ATTEMPT TO SWAY THE OPINION OF THE SHEEPLE OF THE U.S. RIGHT.

*************************

The following was sent out by a retired SF officer. The author, and the authenticity, are unknown, but the sentiments expressed have been seconded by all of the retired soldiers and airmen it has passed through on its way to me.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anonymous


I'm not worthy to question John Kerry's war record.

Because I don't have one.

I spent the Vietnam War in elementary school. And the four years I was in the Army were all behind a desk. My fort was unofficially known as "Uncle Ben's Rest Home."

So I don't know anything about war.

Though I do know a little bit about men who've been to war. I've been around plenty of those.

Like my step-father.

He got bunged up pretty bad in France. I know that because I saw him in a swimming suit once.

But he never talked about it.

Not once.

If you asked him about the war he'd tell hilarious stories about basic training, or where the guys he served with were from, or how fun it was learning to fly the gliders, or the time they stole the ambulance to go into town and get drunk in France, or a few of the phrases in German he learned. But he'd never actually talk about the war.

Unless he was really drunk.

In which case he still wouldn't talk about it. He'd cry about it. He'd put his head in his arms in the wee hours of the morning and sob to himself about how the men around him were broken and torn when the gliders crash landed into the French countryside.

But that was only once or twice, and that was never about him.

And the little box of medals at the bottom of his footlocker never came out.

It was kind of the same way at the Legion and the VFW. Every day he'd check in at both places, to sign the book and to have a beer, and I would tag along. All those men had been in the service, and most had been in combat, but I never heard a war story.

Lots of Army stories, and Navy stories, sure. About guys they knew and leaves they were on and officers they messed with. But nothing about the war.

It was the same way in the Army.

In my day, it seemed like everybody above staff sergeant or captain had been in Vietnam. I went in 10 years after the war ended but the guys on the second half of their careers had all gone.

You could tell when they wore their dress uniforms.

But that was the only time.

Men didn't talk about what they'd done in the war. They didn't boast of their accomplishments. They didn't brag about their medals. But if you chanced to see them in their dress uniforms, with the rows of service ribbons, you could read their history there, you could see that those who'd done the most spoke of it the least.

Like one of our drill sergeants in basic training.

Buffing the floor in his office one day we saw the service ribbons pinned to his Class A uniform on the coat rack. Comparing them to the poster in the company day room we learned he'd gotten the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.

We asked about them and he made us do push-ups for being nosey.

The night before graduation, when he welcomed us as fellow soldiers, we asked him again, we almost pestered him. Finally he relented and gave us two sentences: "I was in a war. I got hurt."

And that's all he'd say.

Kind of like a man I know, who received the Medal of Honor. One night he stood in a long line to shake hands with Colin Powell. The man, because of the nature of the event, wore his medal around his neck.

As he came to Colin Powell the man said, "General, it's an honor to meet you."

And Colin Powell responded, "No, sir - it's an honor to meet you."

Anyway, I know this man, and he's often asked to tell his story, of how he earned the Medal of Honor. And he never does. Oh, he answers, and he talks, and he inspires, and he talks about the war.

But he neglects the part about the lives he saved and the courage he showed, and instead talks about a young Vietnamese man who helped him to safety when his legs were too shot through to hold him anymore.

I don't know anything about war.

But I do know a little bit about men who've gone to war.

And none of them act the way John Kerry does.

None of them brag about, boast of, talk about or otherwise try to benefit from their service. They don't prostitute their time in uniform for personal gain and ambition.

They all modestly and insistently say that they "didn't do anything." They minimize their contributions and put them in the context of the similarly courageous and noble service provided by their comrades.

A true hero doesn't boast.

In fact, he kind of keeps his deeds to himself. Which is what makes John Kerry so different. Which is what makes John Kerry so unbelievable.

I don't know war.

But I do know war heroes.

And he's not one of them.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:46 PM
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14. Jesus! That's her rap!
And she's on AOL, which really makes her a likely target. Wow...thanks for sharing that. I hadn't seen it.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:15 PM
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21. What sententious horseshit!!!
Sounds like it was composed during an unholy marriage between a high school valedictorian and Paul Harvey.
Thanks for the laugh, though :)
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TexasThoughtCriminal Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:30 PM
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22. I bet that was written by Karl Rove himself
and fed to his minions to circulate on the Internet.

If Kerry had been quiet about his service, you can bet they would have come up with some other bullshit about him being embarrassed or hiding something. There's no winning. No matter what you do, the Bush machine will spin it negatively.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:24 PM
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7. Don't let political passion divide your family.
If Bush is elected,he won't kill all the blacks and put all DU posters in Gitmo, as some here have said would happen. And if Kerry is elected, he won't unilaterally disarm America and surrender American authority to the UN as the Republicans say he would. Either administration will pass, and your family will still be there.

My own family is mixed Republican & Democrat. Guess what? We all love each other anyway. There is one member on the opposite side that I absolutely love to discuss politics with. We are able to be civil to each other, and present logical challenges to each others views. And after the discussion, he is still one of my favorite relatives.

There are other of my relatives that I have learned that I can't discuss politics with so I avoid the subject.

Your family is more important than the political passions of any particular election cycle.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:30 PM
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10. I understand...but her reasons for voting Bush
are SO empty. She hates Kerry because he bragged about his service. Nothing else made any differnce to her. She said "my brother never bragged about HIS service." But mom, your brother's been dead for 30 years! Who knows what he'd be saying now?

On background, we just happened to be with them in Florida during the 2000 election travesty. They were convinced Gore was trying to steal the election. When we left (the SCOTUS hadn't ruled yet), my father-in-law was telling me it was all over, enjoy my President Gore. I literally laughed at him. "Are you serious? Lay your money down," I said. "Any amount you can afford...Bush WILL take this election, one way or another, at any cost." They thought I was nuts then. I wonder if they even remember it now?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:45 PM
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12. The heck with 'em. My mom's sister and her whole family went fundie
too bad but they are now reasonless.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:46 PM
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15. one other thought...
....her brother wasn't running for president. If he had run for president, his military service would have been glorified, you can bet.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:28 PM
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8. does she know/did you pass along john eisenhower editorial
that he wrote a couple weeks ago endorsing john kerry?

good on you for taking the risks that need taking, and saying what needs saying
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:45 PM
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13. I would.....
..send the John Eisenhower letter and that article by the Reagan official who is begging conservatives not to vote for Bush.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:53 PM
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16. Where can I find it?
The Eisenhower letter?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:38 PM
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23. Here ya go
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:56 PM
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18. You should not let politics interfere in family life
Ever.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:08 PM
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19. We're 1300 miles apart
It doesn't interfere, because we see them once a year, at most. We all get along fine. The rest of the family calls us "the liberal pukes," jokingly, of course.

My sister/brother-in-law are full-on Born Again Xtians. We visit with them and get along fine, because we all respect each others beliefs. My mother-in-law has no "belief" here. She is simply ignorant of the facts, and that is something I can try to do something about.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:11 PM
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20. She's just desperately fishing for an excuse to vote for bush...
and what a lameass excuse it is
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:52 PM
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24. Politicians BRAG, that's their job! :)
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