I've come to a sad, frightening realization: my mother in law is a freeper

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

Both Mr. Moonbeam and I talked about this tonight. His mother has grown ever more reactionary and strange in the last four or five years. 9/11 seems to have made her much, much worse. She used to be fairly easygoing, but now she is an angry, bitter, hateful, fearful woman. I am not kidding you, from the content and tone of her emails she sends us, she would feel right at home in Freeperville. She has either become racist or is more open and blatant about it, she is harshly judgemental with anyone she feels doesn't measure up, and has developed a biting sarcasm I never saw before (I've known her almost 15 years).

Funny thing is, his DAD, who USED to be a big rightwing reactionary, seems to be mellowing as he gets older (they are both in their late 50s). He is voting for Kerry. First time to vote for a Dem ever. And he still swears up and down this is a "special case" this year and we say that's fine, whatever it takes.

Used to, he would just tell her how to vote (old-fashioned couple). But he cannot sway her this year and they are experiencing a HUGE rift in their marriage because of this (my mother in law and father in law). She has apparently kicked him out of the house a few times, only to take him back a few days later. She is convinced Kerry is the Antichrist and that Bush is the second coming. Did I mention she also went from being agnostic to being a born-again evangelical Christian after 9/11? Yep. My father in law is still agnostic and doesn't really get off on caring what any president's religious beliefs are. Also, he doesn't get into abortion or gay rights or anything. He just shrugs about that stuff. But she is apparently on a mission to save all unborn babies and condemn all homosexuals to hell and she is sure Bush will do both.

This is seriously scary, DUers. This is NOT the woman I knew when I first met my husband. She was sweet and had a very generous nature. It was my father in law who was always the jerk off bitching about Clinton. Now their roles have almost reversed only she has gone much further than he ever did.

They live 1100 miles away. Her emails have gotten so bad I am considering setting up a separate email account and just telling her about it and not checking it. I have asked her again and again not to send me stuff asking me to "pray for President Bush."

This is so sad.

[aquart]

1. How old is she?

Has she developed any other problems?

A personality change like this is something that should be told to her doctor.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

3. We thought about that

we were thinking back and realized we first started to see little inklings of this maybe 10 years ago. And my husband HAS talked to his dad about that possibility, that it may be something organic. Lot of good it did.

Still, I have to wonder how much bush has simply tapped into something in her that was already there and how much 9/11 pushed her over the edge. She talks about it incessantly.

On edit: she is 57.

[aquart]

15. I'm not thinking Alzheimers.

I'm wondering about a slow-growing tumor.

Or small strokes. That's why I asked if there were any other problems.

People don't completely change with time. They become more themselves. This is change.

[Infomaniac]

2. Oy! If she were mine, I would have to sit shiva.

And I'm not even Jewish, but a mourning period sounds like a good idea.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

4. What is sitting shiva?

Mourning? Forgive me for my ignorance on this. Growing up in suburban Dallas doesn't give you a good education on Jewish traditions!

[Infomaniac]

13. Shiva is the 7 day mourning period.

Here's a link: http://judaism.about.com/cs/deathandmourning/f/shiva.htm

I've learned that sitting shiva can be done for occasions outside of a funeral. A friend of mine left her family's Lubavitch sect (ultra-Orthodox) and her family told her she was dead to them and sat shiva. Months later, my friend and her lover invited us over to sit shiva for her former life.

[aquart]

17. Yes, Jews have a ritual called by the name of a major Hindu god.

Life's like that. One week, wearing slippers, sitting on crates, mirrors covered, food brought in by legions of neighbors and relatives. Then you walk around the block at sunset, and it's over.

[progressivebydesign]

5. That's awful for your family. I honestly wonder if she's not well.

I don't mean that meanly, or facetiously. But she could be suffering from some type of psychological stress or illness. To say that she considers herself "born again", but appears to be outwardly racist and angry and bitter.. well that doesn't sound right.

MANY people suffered incredible psychic damage after 9/11. Could she be one of them? Do you think your FIL would consider speaking to a doctor or counselor about it? It's not that she's suddenly become a born-again, but all the other behaviors seem really bad.

My MIL is very right-wing, as is her husband, but they've been like that since I met them. She was a lifelong Dem till she married him, and he basically has influenced her. Your situation is much more uncomfortable and scary.

[theorist]

6. She sounds sick.

I'm not trying to be funny. She probably needs to see a psychiatrist for a screening, at least. The mood swings are pretty troubling, and her drastic changes after 9/11 would make me think she is suffering from something like post-traumatic stress disorder. Does she have nightmares? Do you think your father-in-law could get her to see someone?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

10. to theorist and caliphoto

I will ask my husband to talk to his dad again. We can try. Or he can try. There isn't much we can do 1100 miles away. It's just scary.

Thanks!

[underseasurveyor]

23. With some of the suggestions here I'm wondering about her gait?

And her balance when walking, has her stride become much shorter than it use to be? Maybe have your Hubbie ask his dad those questions too? Cuz that would be a major flag to me that something not good might be going on in her head. I hope it turns out to be a misguided 'attitude'
and not something medically serious.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

7. Also

how the HELL are people like this going to react when Kerry wins? I'm not so concerned about your average freeper. But she is my husband's mom and I am a bit worried about her reaction. She'll know her husband voted for Kerry and she is like one of those freepers who think Kerry as President will cause us to be bombed all over by terrorists.

Sheesh.

[JohnnyCougar]

8. Maybe she needs to take some acid

And have an experience that forces her to discern fantasy from reality :evilgrin:

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Perhaps she is a victim of rw talk radio.

Many house bound people be they young or old become influenced by this non-stop bush campaign that fills the AM band. If this is the case, perhaps suggest that she try something more moderate like NPR, which is a least a little more toward the center.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

11. She does listen to AM talk radio

and she has been a stay at home mom her entire adulthood. Only the youngest kid moved out 16 years ago. She stays home, cleans, hangs out, etc. She's always seemed to like it. But she keeps the stereo on AM talk radio all the time, apparently. From what my father in law says. She adores Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh and the like.

[HuskerDem]

33. How assertive is you FIL capable of being? There's allot of different

ways to approach this and us sitting out here have very limited information and can only let you know our hearts go out to you and offer our various 2 cents worth.

Do you have a good relationship with her? If you do, perhaps a very kind, well thought out and heartful letter might help the situation. You could start the letter with anecdotes that both of you have shared together and how lucky you are that the two of them raised your husband so well. Then tell her that her son (& you as well) worry that maybe not all of those radio programs she is listening to are good for her heart and health. Acknowledge to her that you understand she may think you are only bringing this up because of your different politics. Tell her that you realize the left wing has it's crazies too, and that you would be just as concerned if she were going too far in that direction also. Encourage her to spend her time doing good works as the bible says, like volunteering at the local hospital or in nursing homes. Nursing homes are so happy to have volunteers, and this would give her a sense of purpose and community. Remind her how many needy and lonely people there are in the world, and that Jesus was a champion of the poor, the downtrodden, the sick, the strangers and even the prisoners. So many people could use comfort. Perhaps giving comfort to others could help to still her own "demons". You can't just let Rush and hate radio have her without a fight. She'll ruin her marriage, relationships and ultimately the rest of her life. NONE of those people are happy.

[HuskerDem]

37. Reason why I asked about FIL's assertiveness is

Could he steer her away from these programs to more moderate ones? Is he willing to engage in new activities with her? Getting involved in a seniors club or pointing her in a more fruitful, less hateful direction? That she threw him out sends up a MAJOR flare that there is something VERY, VERY wrong.

[redstateblues]

12. That's Sad- My Mother In Law Is Just A Fox Watchin' Hard Core

Republican- Her daughter(my wife) is an evil trial lawyer and they are sure I've brainwashed her. Needless to say we don't discuss politics when we visit. Mother and daughter have been talking politics on the phone lately and my wife has resorted to begging her not to vote for Bush- I don't think it's going to work- at least they live in a red(neck) state- Ala-damn-bama(apologies to my relatives in B'ham.), not Ohio or FL where it will really matter.

[Scoopie]

19. Third Saturday in October

is nearly upon us.
Tennessee vs. Alabama

The may-swing vs. the won't-swing.

Vote Orange.

LOL!

[SharonAnn]

26. Oooh, yes. Tennessee, the "may swing" state! LOL. I hope so.

I think it's very possible, the incredible number of new voter registrations, the doubling of Early Voters, it could mean that all is changing here!

Let it be so, we've been working hard on this all year, but especially the last few months.

[redstateblues]

30. Go Vols

[Lydia Leftcoast]

14. Some sort of brain damage? And I'm not being sarcastic here, because

one of my cousins suffered brain damage from injuries during a mugging, and she not only lost her ability to concentrate on anything but also became outspokenly bigoted (and no, her assailant was white). She may have been just as bigoted before, but she seems to have lost whatever kept her from coming right out and making nasty remarks about other racial and religious groups.

[Princess Turandot]

42. That was my first thought actually..

that this could possibly be the result of an un-detected stroke of some sort. People after strokes often lose the ability to control their expressions of thoughts & feelings: that is fairly common.

[sandnsea]

16. Does she have a hobby?

Maybe that's the problem. Alot of the people I know like this have nothing to do. Or stopped doing whatever they did. Maybe you can get her interested in some hobby she used to have, or a new one. Get her back on the reality road. I'm so sorry to hear this. I have a sister who goes in and out of her religion, she's a Mormon. She also has depression problems. Did your f-i-l retire? Nothing personal against him, but alot of couples have problems adjusting when they retire or the kids move out. I sure wish I understood this fundie stuff, it's very scary that it is so rampant.

[Fleshdancer]

18. You and I should create a support group

My MIL is now a born again freeper. She voted for Gore in 2000...the transformation was so fast and so scary. We use to talk on a regular basis and now we barely talk at all. I think the argument over gay marriage was the last straw.

[Scoopie]

21. Maybe Shrub is the anti-Christ

or just a good hypnotist.

I never considered that possiblity because the true anti-Christ will be LOVED the world over and will be intelligent and suave.

That ain't Bush.

But, he does seem to have some Voo-doo going on besides his economics.

Which makes me think of a thread I should start. In the Lounge.

[Fleshdancer]

25. well he IS uniting the ME, right?

sad sad times. The voodoo thing would explain a lot...he's mind controlling the mother in laws. :scared:

[Hello_Kitty]

20. I think more than a few were 'born again' after 9-11

Remember how we were all being feverishly admonished by * and other political and social leaders to find solace in our religious institutions? I realize that such a reaction would be natural amongst people who were religious to begin with. But there were articles by right wing writers who scathingly castigated non-believers and let's not forget Jerry Falwell's infamous barb about the tragedy being caused by feminists, gays, the ACLU, and atheists. Skeptical agnostic that I am, I was very suspicious of these exhortations to become more religious. It was as if these people had to act preemtively, lest the populace start to wonder if maybe overzealous religious beliefs might, oh I don't know, CAUSE people to fly planes into buildings and blow themselves up. Nah... Well, I guess they had no reason to fear. The fundies became even fundie-er and attracted more members to their ever-growing political base. Sigh.:eyes:

[pansypoo53219]

22. could be much worse

my parents and brother are bush fans. my grandpa too.

now THAT is bad.

[Nordic]

24. she writes posts at Free Republic?

because that's a "freeper". If you don't write posts at Free Republic, you're not a "freeper". You can be Freeperesque, freeper-like, quasi-freeperish, whatever, but I really get annoyed (and maybe it's only me) when people talk about people being "freepers" when they're actually not.

It's very misleading IMHO.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

31. Semantics

did YOU understand what I meant? Obviously you did because you lectured me on the correct usage of the word "freeper." No one here had any trouble understanding me.

Do you post there?

[henslee]

27. I spent two weeks taking care of a convalescing uncle in early August.

He liked politics and seemed open to new ideas. He thought Bush was crumby but innundated with cable media, thought Kerry was a stiff with no chance. Courtesy of the internet, I would inform him of news a day before it would be on TV and would politely point out the media bias. He was skeptical. He was also skeptical of internet sources.

Anyway, I hadn't seen him in two months but would email him reminding him to watch each debate. No reply. After the third debate, I left a phone message that Kerry kicked ass, didn't he? He never called back. It dawned on me... he hates Kerry, loves his cable news, doesn't want his comfortable world rocked and is just an old fart that I have no use for. I wish him well but fuck him and his "world is flat" closed mindedness. Bummer for me.

[expatriate]

28. You could be describing my late father.

I remember when he voted for McGovern - but by the time he died, he'd become a Rush-listening, ranting, canting Republican, and carried a .45 Derringer in his pocket in case he was attacked by blacks.

This was a man with a Master's degree. He'd been a college professor. He'd travelled widely and read exhaustively.

He started listening to all-night talk radio in his late 40's, and that's when it all began. There is a tendency to paranoia in his side of the family, and it was full-blown in him. He believed all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories, and once even insisted that there was a bird, 40 feet long, flying around the US Southwest that was mutilating cattle. He was a small aircraft pilot, and had to know that such a thing is aerodynamically impossible, but he believed it because he'd heard it on the radio.

By the time he died, our relationship was absolutely superficial He never made the jump from agnosticism to being a believer, but I could see that he wanted to. He was convinced that all was lost before the year 2000, swallowed the Y2K nonsense hook, line, sinker and pole and ended up with a lot of his money spent on those stupid gold coins and a basement full of canned beans.

He drank every single night - not enough to get drunk, but martinis that were strong enough to blow the head off of an elephant. He was eventually diagnosed with Korsakov's syndrome (alcoholic dementia). Thankfully, he did not live much longer, and died from unrelated illness. You don't have to be a heavy drinker - longterm very frequent drinking can also cause brain damage. He'd been drinking 2 to 4 martinis a night every night of the world without fail since 1950. He died in 2002.

Not to say that your MIL has Korsakov's or is a drinker - just to let you know that others have had the same unnerving experience. It's very likely there is something physical behind her personality change. Some people have similar reactions because of PTSD after traumatic events.

[grasswire]

29. the woman needs to get out of the house

My ex MIL became increasingly racist, bitter, close-minded and right-wing after age 50 when she was home most of the time. She was afraid that people wanted to steal her pocketbook and became afraid of poor folks. It wasn't until she was 70 that Alzheimer's was diagnosed. By that time she was calling her son in the middle of the night to tell him that the aides at the nursing home were stealing her bobby pins.

Sounds as if your MIL needs to get away from radio now and then, and find a way to bring some joy into her life. And a complete evaluation might be a good idea, too.

And her husband might want to protect their assets in some way. If she's throwing him out, she might also think of donating their home equity to the 700 Club or something.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

32. You know

the more I read these responses, the more I am wondering if there IS something wrong and maybe all the talk radio and right wing crap isn't exacerbating things.

She doesn't have hobbies, she stays in all the time. They don't have friends that I know of (haven't since I've known them). Not anyone they do things with.

And they sent us some pictures from a reunion they went to recently and she isn't smiling in a single picture. She's scowling in every one. That is SO not like her. One or two pictures ok, but FIFTEEN different shots and scowling every time??? My husband remarked that it was strange. They were taken over the course of three days, too, so it couldn't be that she just had a stomachache when those pictures were taken (as in taken in a short period of time).

Weird. I'll have him call his dad tomorrow.

[Sugarbleus]

40. Yeah, it could be she fell into a depression of sorts and not

leaving the house while listening to ONLY the wildest RW rhetoric can be extemely destructive, emotionally and psychologically.

I'll admit that I get pretty wound up myself when I confine (obsses) myself to politics all day; 24/7 and not leaving the house. I get really distressed and angry.

Thankfully, I have DU as an outlet, and a great family that gives me a reality check every so often. I take time away from news, DU and I get the heck outta the house to do something else. I also use anti-depressants (for long term depression problems). I'm near 56.

IF there is a depression going on, it is essential that she get a break from all the political tension. Maybe FIL can ease her out to some park or other interesting place and calmly have her focus on what is beautiful and pleasant. Take her mind off the Bush/Kerry/Armeggedon bologna.. Some tranqs or mood stablizers might be helpful also if nothing else seems to help. Just a thought.

BTW: How is Mr. Moonbeam dealing with all this?
Best Wishes~~SB

[LittleClarkie]

44. Off topic and yet not

That sounds like me right after high school. I fell into a depression and spent alot of time watching the 700 Club. You have no idea how that warps a mind. I felt my faith didn't measure up to these people, but the only way I could find to believe what they believe was to disconnect my logic circuits. I must have spent a good two years trying to get my head screwed back on straight again.

I wonder if a mild anti-anxiety or anti-depressant would help. I'm on Buspar myself, have been ever since my mom died. Probably wouldn't be doing nearly as well as I am without it. It evens me out.

I finally decided that my faith could be my own as long as I came at it honestly. Now I belong to a nice liberal Lutheran Church that has made me proud this year because most of my fellow church goers have turned out to be Kerry supporters: several teachers, lawyers, a veteran with a son in the Marines, many seniors a social worker. Even the Pastor, who voted Bush last time, says he can't bring himself to vote for him this time. All this tells me I'm in the right place. Good, caring people who see clearly.

[Sugarbleus]

45. I'm sorry you had to go through

those tough experiences. I'm glad you have found a way to make your life enjoyable again.......that's so important.

Watching 700 club is definately a mind bender. I know people who got so steeped in radical religions and dogmas that they finally had nervous breakdowns. Yikes!

So, KUDOs to you and your new community of liberal believers! You are a survivor and richer for your experiences. Follow your heart always.

Very Best Wishes, SB :hug:

[tavalon]

46. I'm not much for armchair diagnosis

and having said that - that is exactly what I'm going to do. Sort of. Given what you have described, I would be extremely suspicious of something organic - a stroke, TIAs (trans ischemic attacks - mini strokes are often first noted by drastic personality changes) or a tumor, just off the top of my head.

Your MIL is entitled to her opinion but I think you folks would be highly remiss if you didn't strongly encourage her to get a full physical including a work up for heart disease and TIAs. She's into menopause (I'm fairly sure) and therefore at high risk for cardiovascular disease (and it's the vascular part of that - atherosclerosis that can cause the TIAs and strokes).

If she had always been like this then no worries, but given this sharp change, much concern is raised.

[secular_warrior]

34. ignorance and lack of a strong opposition party are the main causes

After 9-11, many Americans felt used, betrayed by their own "goodness". How could these "foreigners" do such a thing to "us" ? So many regular Americans moved hard to the right, became nationalistic, xenophobic, racist, hawkish, vengeful; it's why Bush was able to sell his war so easily. People wanted revenge and didn't care if another Arab country had to take a punch - even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

These people's response is appropriate for the reality they perceive. They simply don't understand 9-11 for what it was: blowback. A good analogy for 9-11: the right wing Reagan-Bush Republicans are like the mafia. Bad guys like Osama are their business partners. When these bad guys attack us, it is like a mafia business deal gone wrong.

If Americans truly understood what was going on, they would turn their rage on the Reagan-Bush mafia itself, instead of the mafia's lowly business partners like Osama and Saddam.

I blame much of America's ignorance on the Democratic Party and liberalism, who have not been an effective opposition party to conservatism over the past 30 years, allowing the Reagan-Bush fascists to amass and consolidate overwhelming power. It is the patriotic duty of the opposition to make the people understand what the party in power is doing wrong, by any legal means necessary. If that means breaking up the corporate media in order to make sure an unbiased message gets out there - do it. If that means electoral reform - do it. What ever it takes.

[girl gone mad]

35. Hi Moonbeam.

I've got a Republican MIL, too. She isn't quite a freeper, though, and she's single. She votes Republican, and gives lots of money to the Republicans and volunteers, even though their policies aren't in her best interest. I think racism is at the heart of it, though she would never admit it (maybe not even to herself).

From your description it could be some kind of early Alzheimer's or it could just be a case of brainwashing. Does she live in Texas, too? There is a lack of non-fundie political voices here. Even our Dems talk like Republicans half the time in order to win votes. How can we win the idealogical war when our message is diluted?

[flaminbats]

36. Why did she first kick him out of the house?

Have things always been this tense between them? Did she usually ask your father in law how he voted, or did he just tell her "vote exactly like me"?

Based on your description, the change in your mother in law's personality sounds like the effect, not the cause of the problems in her marriage..

[HuskerDem]

39. You could be on to something there

As an agnostic, she was "ruled" (most likely by consent) by her husband and felt less of value and importance.

Now she has GOD on her side (or so she believes) and so she is acting on behalf of a HIGHER AUTHORITY. She may have replaced submission to a husband with submission to an angry, homophobic, racist "god" sold to her by Rush and some very twisted souls on the fringe of society that make her feel righteous - and powerful for the first time in decades.

I seriously am starting to think Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and possibly depression. My two bit opinion is that she needs to either get therapy (unlikely) or get back into the community of life with regular people. Bowling, quilt clubs, bingo, volunteer service........ ANYTHING....... but that damned radio.

[arewenotdemo]

38. I'm thinking mid-life crisis

rather than some physiological problem.

Other than "being there" for her while she goes thru it (hopefully to come out on the other side), I don't know what you can do about it.

There's always the sliver of a chance that she could end up liking or at least respecting President Kerry.

I wonder if her mother was like you describe; it could be the terrifying metamorphosis into same-sex parent that we all dread.

[Princess Turandot]

41. In all seriousness, this doesn't sound like a politcal conversion..

it sounds more like a psychological breakdown of some sort that has worsened with time or possibly some sort of organic problem. I've had 2 older adult relatives go through psychotic episodes. In one case, the person had always had a somewhat paranoid personality; an event at her job triggered the break into real paranoia. In the other case, the relative was kind and easy-going. She started out by sending weird complaint letters to all sorts of companies, and by the time it occured to anyone that something was happening to her, she was telling her husband that the next time her son expected them to babysit his very young son, she was going to throw the baby out of the window.(She actually recovered fairly well while the other person simply learned to not express her paranoid beliefs to people who would doubt her, even after a course of therapy & medication.)

Also, neurological events (physical ones, like a stroke or a TIA "mini-stroke") can cause people to reveal aspects of their personality which they previously had better control of. They sort of lose the built-in 'control' that people have over their feelings, causing the person to begin talking & acting in ways previously not seen.

If they've been married for 20+ years, and she is now throwing her husband out of the house over political differences, I think that your husband should ask his father to call her regular MD if she has one, and explain to him what has been going on.

[Bridget Burke]

43. She needs a medical workup.

There's a serious problem here. She's frightened about what's happening inside her head & the voices on the radio offer easy explanations.

[Dem2theMax]

47. I heard something interesting last night on a show about

Broadway shows, of all things. You say your MIL "used to be fairly easygoing, but now she is an angry, bitter, hateful, fearful woman."

One of the songs in one of the plays (can't remember play, maybe Porgy and Bess?) was about how we, as humans, have to be taught fear and hate. (I know we have a natural instinct for 'healthy fear,' the kind where we know enough to save ourselves in a life threatening situation.) But in your MIL's case, it sounds like she totally bought in to the hate and fear talking points of */Cheney. It's ALL they ever talk about. And the repubs have bought into it big time. It's no wonder we had terra lerts all the time (till the media FINALLY started questioning the White House on WHY we were getting them when there was no reason.) Well, sure there was a reason. Keep the masses under */Cheney control. Keep pushing the terror/fear/hatred of the 'evildoers' and keep saying that you can't be safe without */Cheney - sounds like she's just bought into it lock, stock and barrel. As for her hubby, if he 'isn't with them, he's against them'.
:puke:

I feel for you. Hang in there. Kerry wins and hopefully a treatment will be found to deprogram these people. I think having *, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, and all the rest behind bars for the next 50 years would be really good medicine, for ALL of us. :)

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

48. It might have been "You've Got to be Taught" from "South Pacific"?

That song sure is true. I really wonder where this is all going to end. I've been watching family members on both sides of my family following the words and beliefs of Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, the cable channels, and now their great beloved leader, Bush. They became different people, can't be reasoned with, and it's all going to go somewhere very bad.

I feel hopeful that Kerry will win, but these people will probably go nuts. I keep reminding myself that they are a minority that is being propped up by the media and made to look more numerous than they are. They will slink away if confronted, and that's a good thing. It's sad for them, but we can't afford all this hatred, fear, racism and war-mongering. Definitely, these people need to find some positive outlets and hobbies.

[Dem2theMax]

49. You got it! That was the song. The second I read what you wrote

I remembered it. I've never seen 'South Pacific' so I didn't have a clue as to where the song came from. Duh. lol.

It's so sad that the 'uniter' :puke: has literally divided families all over the country. And does he care? Not one bit. Oh how I wish the freepers HAD to face the truth and admit it. I wonder, if * actually went on trial and then to jail, if any of them would have the guts to face up to the truth. Somehow I doubt it. He'd become their martyr. Now I gotta :puke: again. :crazy: