Let's leave Laura out of this

[DianeG5385]

And hopefully, Teresa too! I remember the eight years of Hillary bashing but she's tough, she can take it. I don't know if we, as Americans can continue to bash really good people for political advantage! I say stop! Laura Bush as far as I can tell is a really decent person and we are NOT voting for her. Teresa, from what I have heard is an amazing philanthropist. I think we should concede that these two good women remain HANDS OFF! I think we need to do this regardless of what the folks on the right do because it IS the right thing to do. No Nonsense now folks, we are here to win an election, not destroy people. Time to change the rules of the game and take them back!

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[DianeG5385]

4. You either gave birth to perfect children or

you have not yet had the "blessing" of these free spirits. Many are the parents who wonder what they gave birth to. What's amazing is when they hit adulthood they usually come 'round! Lay off the twins too!

[naufragus]

10. Daddy has them out stumping

he is using them in the election. they are fair game. as is pickles. she goes on tv and defends her idiot husband. there is nothing wrong with talking about them.

[Fear]

5. -

the drunkensluts

[DianeG5385]

2. I agree!

Let's leave these women alone!

[Bunny]

28. You're agreeing with yourself?

:shrug:

[Fear]

3. Justice is what we all seek.

and Laura Bush a decent person?, she's like 24/7 on anti-depressives from looking in the mirror :P

b/t

[DianeG5385]

6. Look, I am Kerry 100%

But no, I don't think Laura is a stepford wife. I think she's a decent human being, just like you...unless...you're the anti-christ in which case...aaaarrrrghhh!!

[Fear]

12. anti-christ? - don't mix up religion and politics please :P

And no, she is the worst first lady the US has ever had and that is truly what I think everytime I see her.

[AmerDem]

7. screw Pickles

she is part of the group that stole the election in 2000 and want to steal it again in 2004!



http://www.bettybowers.com/pickletickle.html

[freetobegay]

8. Couldn't agree more with you!

Whats that old saying behind every great (sorry for that one) man, theres a woman.

[Gemini Cat]

9. Sure. Right-O.

:eyes:

[not fooled]

11. whatever

but remember 'pukes piling on THK at various times (of course, we don't have to stoop to their level).

However, I for one do have to wonder BIGTIME about anyone who could marry into that nest of vipers known as the BFEE, then stay married to an asinine kook like the chimp.

Finally, note contrast in demeanor and conduct of the Kerry daughters and Chelsea vs. the twinz--which reflects better parenting? Sorry, Pickles.

[Fear]

13. she always has the same smile, no facial expression, she's AWFUL!

Standing there waving her little hand the same way she always does totally on drugs.

[sandnsea]

14. Mixed feelings

It's too late now, but we probably should have been tearing her up all along. That's part of their strategy, smear and fear. And no smear is too low to haul out and spread around. Did you read the post about Karen Hughes knocking over a cart to get back to the press and blabber about Teresa's job remark? Karen's a real nice mommy too. :eyes: I wouldn't be proud to be like the Republican Party, but we've got to break through this craziness somehow.

[kokomo]

15. Any family member who actively campaigns is fair game for criticism.

Not every candidate in the past had spouses or kids campaigning for them. I don't remember Bess or Margaret Truman on the stump. Neither Mamie Eisenhower, Pat Nixon, Lady Bird Johnson doing much to get their husbands elected. Who remembers Muriel Humphrey, Peggy Goldwater, Eleanor McGovern, Joan Mondale, Kitty Dukakis getting much press cover? Jackie Kennedy really didn't become a public person until after she became First Lady (had hands full with pregnancies, babies before then).

Wives getting involved in modern times (except for Eleanor Roosevelt whose husband we found out was crippled and sick) didn't seem to come about until Betty Ford, Rosalynn Carter, and especially Nancy Reagan became more vital to their husband's campaigns. Since Reagan, Barbara Bush, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Dole, Tipper Gore, and now Laura Bush and Teresa Kerry have become regular campaign workers as well as their grown children.

[progdonkey]

16. I agree, but only to an extent

I'll be perfectly honest and state that I simply despise Laura Bush, but I'll also honestly admit that it's largely for the same reasons the RW hated Hillary: Laura is the absolute archetype of everything I hate about the conservative, subservient, Stepfordian housewife. I'll bitch about when she's on TV, but I do that with any member of the BFEE.... ;-)

BUT...

I do feel there are grounds for severe criticism of her for things she specifically has supported/not supported.

The two most egregious faults I find she has are her positions on Stem Cell Research and Education. Her father died of Alzheimer's and yet, she would happily deny others (through her support of her husband's policies) the possibility of saving their own fathers and mothers from the ravages of Alzheimer's. The RW line is that it's "false hope." What else do Alzheimer's patients, quadriplegics, and their families have but hope? I saw Laura in an interview where she attempted to commiserate with these families, but she still just had the same vacant, vapid, goofy smile on her face that belied any true empathy for those families (I would even argue that, instead of having sympathy, she actively wants those families to suffer; how awful would it feel to realize that a scientific breakthrough your husband and his Party actively suppressed could have saved your father's life? It's easier to just say there's no hope and he would have died either way.)

She was a librarian and teacher for seven years, as I recall, and yet she sits idly by while her husband's administration destroys our educational system. She claims to be an advocate for literacy (I might be confusing with Barbara, but I think they're both advocates....), yet she's married to the most illiterate (and proudly at that) president this country has ever seen. If she doesn't care enough that her own husband isn't literate, how much credence should we give her advocacy for others to be?

As I said above, I do like from time to time just bitching about Laura and her perpetual Joker grin, but, like her husband, there's so much more to despise (and worth the time to do so) beyond stupid facial expressions.

[niceypoo]

17. Laura is the laziest first doormat ever

Look what they did to Hillary. Fuck Laura Bush

[LittleClarkie]

18. Remain hands off?

Teresa has never been "hands off."

It's the same story.

-John Kerry can't bleed enough. Bush doesn't have to bleed at all.

-Teresa can't apologize enough for what amounts to a pretty innocent remark. No one on the Bush side has to apologize at all for all the horrid things that have been said about Teresa.

-We can't stay clean enough in the campaign, and yet Bush and Co. can get as dirty as they like and no one seems to notice.

It's too late. I won't attack Laura, but neither do I feel sympathy. That will not stop the attacks on Teresa, even after they get into office.

And that's another thing. Why is it that "respect the office of the President" only ever seems to apply to a Republican president. Why do they have the veneer of respectability. Even when they're cheating your sox off, it's our party that's labeled the most crooked. I've heard people say that we can only win an election by cheating. And yet it seems we often suffer from being to honest, and not ruthless enough.

I don't git it.

[George W. Dunce]

19. Bullshit

I know if I had killed an ex girlfriend of mine in a car crash after running a stop sign i would have went to jail. Was she ever even arrested? Nope, you and I would still be in jail.

[Silverhair]

30. Not in 1963.

Your statements may be true for today, but back then it was a different story. Remember Kennedy and a certain bridge in 1969? He didn't do any jail time either and it has been proven that his car was speeding. (That was done by measuring the distane from the scuff marks to where the car landed. Laws of physics give the speed. High school level calculation. Laws of physics don't care if you are a Dem or a Rep or whatever.)

The point is: Don't let you hate consume you to the point that you lose you ability to be objective.

[Skittles]

20. no decent person could be married to that evil bastard

but I do agree that it's futile to focus on Laura or the twins.

[grace0418]

21. I'm not singling out Laura or the twins by any means

but a) they work for Dumbya's "re"-election, and that makes them fair game IMHO and b) I don't happen to agree that she's all that decent.

I would NEVER stand by with an idiotic smile on my face while my husband spouted the most hateful, bigoted bullshit and pushed the greediest, most manipulative agenda ever. If she was as "decent" as you say she would've have dumped him the minute she realized what he was up to, she certainly shouldn't be advocating 4 more years of this nonsense.

Besides, isn't it a crime to aid and abet criminals? So doesn't that make her a criminal by association?

[Sugarbleus]

22. I think Laura is probably a pretty nice person....just really naive

Hoever, that hoopla over THK's statement the other day was the REAL thing to bitch about, IMO. I couldn't believe the vitriol coming from the bobble heads over THK's remarks. THK apologized gracefully and immediately.

The thing that really got to me was the DISCUSSION about what women are "suppose" to be doing with their lives. I was galled by the sentiment coming from the RW, that stay at home moms are a precious commodity...................YET, they gleefully shove single mothers into work without the help they need, not letting THEM stay at home to be there for their young children, calling them WELFARE QUEENS etc.
Laura worked a "couple" years then lived off the fat of the land in Bushville.........BUT single mothers elsewhere are FORCED to leave their children to go drudge in some deadend job and not have the luxury of spending enough quality time with THEIR KIDS. FUCK THAT!

Was Laura a 'GOOD' mother?????? I don't know. I can look at their kids and wonder though--->immature sleaze twins. Gag.
A head tilting, smiling, stepford mother and a sociopathic, alcoholic, bellicose, failure of a father. Wow, kids should be so lucky to have parents like that :eyes:

It's the BUSH FAMILY that touts "FAMILY VALUES". So I just look to them to see "how it's done". I ain't buying their version..so they are fair game. They bring the issue up, we get to judge.

[secular_warrior]

23. Any attempt to attack Laura is a lose-lose situation

I don't even care what I feel about Laura.

The truth of the matter is that the American people see her as a sweet, nice, pretty, ex-school teacher/librarian/whatever mom/wife who carries herself well. People like her. My Democratic parents like her. She is the model of perfection to the majority of Americans. Laura is an enormous asset to BC04. I wouldn't say the same thing about Teresa with regards to our campaign, although I and most blue state people like her.

Bottom line: we lose if we attack Laura. There is nothing to be gained from involving her in anything we do or say. Period.

We need to just stick to the Chimp and his evil regime, and concentrate on winning.

[cyr330]

24. Laura, a good person?

You must be out of your mind if you think Laura Bush is a good person. She married Smirk* of her own free will, and she's aided and abetted him in his lies and thievery. Furthermore, if you didn't know, she KILLED someone with an automobile. That "someone" just happened to be her ex-boyfriend who had broken up with her mere weeks before the murder. Laura Bush is not kind, not nice, not decent, and NOT someone for anybody to emulate.

[Eye and Monkey]

26. would a good person have allowed the soldier's mom to be arrested -

at Laura's campaign speaking engagement? Would a good person have intervened, even after the fact? Maybe made a public statement, given the lady a chance to talk and given her a real answer. Yes, I think a good person would have done that.

But that is not at all what Laura did. Not at all.

[helnwhls]

29. excellent point

Also, didn't she make a big stink about literacy? Wasn't she a teacher or librarian? I would think she would be a bit more concerned about what has happened to education during the boy kings administration.

[Pushed To The Left]

25. I agree

I don't like it when either side goes after a candidate's wife. The right-wing talk show hosts have been especially disgusting in their attacks on Theresa.

[REP]

27. Good People Don't Kill Former Boyfriends

Laura has tasted human blood. I don't trust her.