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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:39 AM
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Encounter with a wavering Bushie?
All this week, my partner has had the flu, so instead of our usual morning smoothies, I've been going to the Einstein's near my office for a bagel and coffee. There's a gentleman about my age (early 30's) who must work near here and keep a simliar schedule to me, because I've seen him every day. This morning, he struck up a conversation with me while I was getting my coffee. After the usual good mornings, he asked if he could ask me a question, and I said sure and he said, "I'm curious how a woman and a veteran and a mother could consider voting for Kerry,"

I was taken aback by this. I asked him what made him think I was a veteran and a mother. He said he noticed the "Veterans for Kerry" sticker on the back of our car, and since it's a Volvo stationwagon, he figured I must be a mom. (!) For the record, I'm not.

I explained that my partner was the veteran, he'd served during the first Gulf war, when he had voted for W's father. I told him my partner was supporting Kerry in large part because he feels that W's lack of military experience led him to go to rush to war without proper consideration or preparation. I told him that both my partner and I were quite concerned about a drop in veteran's benefits and the inequity of treatment for serving and returning reservists and guardsmen. I told him that we both believed that this war had made us more vulnerable to terrorism and negatively impacted our relationships with other countries in the world, not only in terms of defense but in trade negotiations (for example, we now have a weaker negotiating position with potential trading partners). He listened to all of this quietly, occasionally nodding his head. When I'd finished, he shook his hand and thanked me for my time and said, "You've given me a lot to think about,". At that point, something in his body language made me feel like I should stop there and not push at him to vote Kerry. I did say, "I hope you'll stop by www.johnkerry.com and see some of his opinions for yourself,". He said he would do that.

Now, of course, I'm kicking myself for not really taking the time to find out why, or even if, he was considering voting for W. Maybe he was one of those rare undecideds. Or maybe he's just a reasonable conservative. Shit. Maybe I could have made a difference today, or maybe I would have offended him, but now I feel like I didn't even try.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:42 AM
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1. Oh, I'm pretty certain you DID make a difference.
You did a great thing. He'll never hear that stuff from FAUX or even from the so-called "liberal" media, and so just having a chance to hear it from you might just have turned on a light.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:42 AM
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2. Me thinks you did a helluva job.
Polite, on point, rational. You're too hard on yourself :hi:
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:51 AM
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6. Thanks!
I really need to hear that. I just wish my partner had been with me. He's an awesome advocate for Kerry, and as a former Republican his words really resonate. He's like a walking Move On ad.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:43 AM
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3. Good job! That's how we do it. 1 vote at a time. Shows how little
some people think about who they're voting for.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:44 AM
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4. don't beat yourself up, sounds like a civil conversation with a
reasonable person, I'm sure you made a difference.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:45 AM
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5. Are you kidding?
You did wonderful job! You gave him plenty to think about and you were sensitive to the cues he gave you. You can't do any better than that.
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:56 AM
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8. I really appreciate that
I'm a shameless second guesser, and to be honest, I kind of figured he would argue with me and maybe cause a scene, so I wasn't at my best.
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Alleycat Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:52 AM
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7. I think you did just fine
Sometimes when you push too hard it only gives them reson not to. Anyone who is a perent here can relate. State the facts just like you did and hopefully they will make the correct and right decision.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:02 AM
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9. Some "stuff" to give him..
...if you have a chance -- pass along the following information next time you run into him:

1) the TWELVE newspapers who endorsed Bush in 2000 and now refuse to endorse him.
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=80433&mesg_id=80433

2) the reason to vote for Kerry (the "pro-life/pro-choice" stuff is probably not on point, but the stuff re: his record should help).
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1128066&mesg_id=1128066
Posts 4, 7, 11 and 12

3) the list of Bush/ROVE dirty tricks (how can someone vote for a man who has this guy (Rove) as his close friend and closest advisor??)
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1129577&mesg_id=1129577, Post 7
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:03 AM
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10. and ... PS
... I agree 100% with the posts above that you already did a terrific job !!!
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:04 AM
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11. "You've given me a lot to think about,". enough said.
job well done.

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