TinFoil Hat time - Bushies

[MsTryska]

Okay...so when i was groiwng up, we had a family friend. He was a hypnotist. He believed that because he was part of the 5% of the population that couldn't be hypnotized he had to know how to do it, in case there was ever a time when there was Massive Mind-Control. That way he coulkd go around un-hypnotizing people.

Now does anyone remember the story about the japanese school kids that were falling into seizures whilst watching anime cartoons? I'm thinking if tv can cause seizures, why couldn't it be used as a hypnotic tool?

How many of these people who we consider cult-like, and drunk on koolaid, and fileld wiht cognitive dissonance, could actually have been subliminally influenced via Fox and the rest. I mean they repeatedly showed images of the Twin Towers falling. What else was imbedded there?

What else can be brought on by the constant repetition of certain talking points?


i know it's wacky - but i'm just throwing it out there.

[Warpy]

1. In a way, you're not far off

I noticed as long as 30 years ago that when there was a crowd of people around a TV set, all conversation would stop when commercials came on. It was weird. People would continue a conversation through a crappy show, but as soon as an ad for floor polish or cars came onto that thing in the corner, it would stop dead until the program came back on.

This was partially noticed by the inventor of the TV-B-Gone, who noticed the lull in conversation but not when it actually occurred.

Advertisers, it seems are incredibly clever at grabbing our attention with the most banal of images.

[MsTryska]

9. And what is the News these days

if not pure advertising. Watching Jim Lehrer reminds me of years ago when the news came in 15 minute or 10 minute chunks.


Now, no matter what major channel, it's been parsed into 2 minute soundbites on various topics, with lots of flashy images.

[cheshire]

12. Part of the way they do it is the decible of ads. Hard to talk over that.

[Radio-Active]

2. to use your example of the towers falling

I think that could be an obvious example. The reason September 11th "changed" so many people, is because of this constant 24-7 coverage, replaying the attacks over and over again. This put a lot of people into a state of shock, and they were much more likely to accept a logical fallacy, like "you're either with us or with the terrorists", therefore much less likely to question Bush and anything he wants.

By the way, it's not tinfoil hattish to think that TV manipulates people. If it didn't, nobody would advertise.

[MsTryska]

6. Yeah. And i know..speaking for myself at least..

after the second newscycle, i refused to watch any more repetitive images. i turned off Fox in disgust, because to me it seemd liek they were whoring it. I've no doubt millions of people kept it or CNN or any of the others on for months straight, to make sense of things, and i believe, hurt themselves in the process.

[luaneryder]

3. I don't think it's wacky at all

The repetition of talking points is a tried and true propanganda method used by the Hitler machine. In Army psyops training we used the same method for winning over target populations-hammer away at the same point using slightly different wording offering something "better" than status quo. Didn't work so well in Iraq, but Fox is doing a great job on the American masses.

[MsTryska]

7. So Why do you think

it didn't work so well in Iraq?

And i agree, Fox, and now most of the major media are doing it as well. It's a scary time we live in, i think. but it's important to see the talking point and recognize it as such.

[luaneryder]

18. Had it worked we wouldn't

be fighting. Had the psyops been successful the Iraqi people would be turning over the insurgents in their midst, and yes, our troops would have been greeted with the flower petals they were told to expect. IMHO the target of the Iraq psyops campaign has been America and the US citizenry. With the amount of people who still believe that Saddam was connected with 9/11 it seems that campaign was fairly successful.

[mike_c]

4. TV is mind control, and you don't need a tin-foil hat...

...to see it, nor do you need to invoke something like "hypnotism" to explain it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 75 percent of our sensory receptors are located in our retinas-- visual information is our dominant sensory pathway. Those optic nerves directly stimulate some of the most important information processing centers of our brains-- processing and integration centers that have developed in an evolutionary environment in which they grew to play a dominant role in moment-to-moment survival. This is one reason that our dreams are so visual, but that's another topic, but it provides additional evidence for the primary role of vision in influencing our mental models of the world and our behavior under those models.

TV feeds information directly into that pathway. Step back and look at the content of visual "entertainment": it's highly stimulatory because we inherently like having that information pathway stimulated and because visual information processing is intimately linked with our moods, feelings of well-being, excitation, and so on. Linking the information content to the visual stimulus-reward feedback systems starts to sound rather Pavlovian, doesn't it?

[MsTryska]

8. Well my invokation of hypnotism

goes a little deepr than just the visual stimulas feedback loop.

I mean the concentrated images, plus scrolling text, lulling people into a particular state, and then those same memes echoed by the politicians themselves, recalling that "altered state" if you will.

i wonder how many of those people who go to see bushco speak come out feeling energized, sparkly and resolute?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

20. Mind control is now called PERSUASION TECHNOLOGY.

And video is part of the cutting edge of manipulation of our minds because we are mostly visual creatures having spent millions of years surviving by seeing the predators who want to eat us before they saw us.

So our survival fears are regulated by connecting our eyes with the part of the brain called the AMYGDALA which goes off like a fire alarm when we are fearful and stops all rational left-brain thought and put us into that classic FIGHT-OR-FLIGHT mode.

That's why fear-mongering is a warning sign of propaganda.

Our brain's neuron paths become hardwired by the repetition of stimuli. That's why a lie repeated over and over is percieved as truth and accepted.

That's why every news screen has red-white-and-blue somewhere in the shot. Because we are programmed from birth to believe that those colors of our national flag represent VIRTUE and TRUTH. Classic Pavlovian reaction. Look for those colors on Fox and the other channels, too. They are omnipresent for a reason. Flags and nationalist symbols like uniforms are a form of mind control.

Susceptibility to mind control is also aided by drugs, fatigue, confusion, terror, and seperation from friends and family. Sounds like our Fallow Merkins, doesn't it?

This article lays out how the mass panic of the 1938 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast confirmed that media mind control was the government's most useful tool for controlling their subject populations and TV become a fascist's dream technology:
http://www.mackwhite.com/tv.html
(The TV Hive Mind)

[soothsayer]

5. Don't forget the flouride in the water----makes people passive

Thus a world of sheeple

[KharmaTrain]

10. It's "Herd Mentality"

It's very real and very effective. It's just you've lived in and around it all your life that you can't notice it. It's not a deliberate state-controlled mind control, but one of psychological manipulation.

As a kid you got indoctrinated with accepting what you see from the boob toob with some degree of credibility. It's this bond that has been so abused over the years...from pimple cream to MTV to "liberals are bad". Marshall McLuan and Wilson Key discussed this topic nearly 50 years ago.

Television is a national/communal experience now. We all witness the same event at the same time. 9/11 is a perfect example as there was a true sense of national shock, then outrage that came from the televized images and coverage.

No one knows this power more than the GOOP. They pioneered in using television to deliver messages...look at the "I Like Ike" stuff through Nixon's The One To Raygun and Bunnypants 2000...it's all been engineered to play well on the tube and create a percieved popularity. To enhance it, on come the spinners that for years were accepted into many homes and with it came the credibility inherant in what we watch on the tube.

We'll find out how well their misinformation campaigns of the last 6 months work by the number of people who deny reality and vote to re-select this regime.

[MsTryska]

11. I have a feeling it's not gonna work so well at all....

i think the majority of americans have gotten utterly cynical about what's ont he tube these days. and i don't think reality TV has helped it along. I gues sin essence we've gotten cynical about reality. and whether reality is really reality.

or at least, that's what i hope.

[KharmaTrain]

13. Whose Fueling The Cynicism???

I kinda look at things from outside the box a lot :evilgrin:

Our reality now is Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann and so on. It just moves.

Cheers!

[donhakman]

14. I was a clinical hypnotist for 12 years

Propoganda and mind control was part of my course of research.

I was recruited by both the CIA and Naval Intelligence.

I refused them both.

My refusal was met with moderate predjudice. ie (non lethal retalliation)

The techniques that exist today range from the classical operant conditioning techniques to cutting edge electromagnetic means that would make your head spin - literally.

[KharmaTrain]

15. You're Scaring Me!!!

I can only imagine. I've studied a lot about subliminal suggestion and advertising and can only imagine how the military has perfected it. I'm sure we're seeing it in action, not in getting critical information about of captives at Gitmo, but in creating the "ditto monkey" culture that supports this manchild and his invasion by better than 2 to 1.

[MsTryska]

16. do you mean

within this media/white house machine?

Am i on the right track here?

[MsTryska]

17. This is true....

as the bible says "let those with eyes see, and those with ears, hear."

[hippiechick]

19. subliminal mind control ...

'if you repeat it often enough it becomes true' (or something like that) ...

I remember those Datsun commercials in heavy prime time rotation during the mid/late 70's ... 'NEW Datsun Sentra ... YOU need this car!' with a catchy tune in the background...

Never gave them a second thought until about 3 years ago when I went looking for a new car, and realized that all I've ever owned - ever considered owning was a Nissan (Datsun) Sentra.

They brainwashed me as a 12 year old and I didn't even realize it until I was on my 4th vehicle.


:hippie: