Official campaign marching orders from the Clark Blog

[Walt Starr]

http://campaign.forclark.com/story/2004/1/13/0147/96985

Matt Bennett is the Director of Communications at Clark for President. General Clark asked him to pass on this message to the online community and supporters.

<snip>

Make your voice heard - take this information to other blogs (Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, Free Republic, etc.), to your friends and family, to other news media. Make sure that the FACTS can catch up with the distortion. They may buy their ink by the barrel, but you can help us fight back.

<snip>

This is the sort of tactic I expected. Oh they're trying to hide the flip-flops and the wishy washy pro-war the anti-war stances. It doesn't matter, though. Nothing will hide the fact that Clark is soft on terror. Only one candidate is strong on National Defense, Joe Lieberman

[Cuban_Liberal]

1. This is a surprise to people at DU?

I thought y'all would have guessed by now. The Clark blog has been encouraging people to sign up at DU for MONTHS. Don't y'all ever look at the polls here and WONDER why Clark wins them all? :think:

[Cha]

2. Wow! "Cuban Liberal"! What a

concept!
Welcome to DU!

[Cuban_Liberal]

5. Thanks!

I finally saw through the deception!

:hi:

ABC in 2004!

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Walt Starr]

3. Oh it was obvious that an invasion was initially ordered

Now we have documented evidence that the General gives marching orders as to what to post and when to post it, both here and at FreeRepublic.

That changes nothing. Clark is soft on terror and there is no way to deny that simple fact regardless of the posting marching orders he issues.

[Cuban_Liberal]

8. The Clark blog wanted this place taken over.

The 'orders', as you call them, came about 6 weeks/2 months ago. None of the polls, etc., here mean squat any more--- DU is an extension of the Clark blog now.

Just now noticing? :)

[Tinoire]

37. They've been out even before August - Crank It Up! from the General

((I used to do this *&% for a living in the military. This isn't even being well-done))

Mind you this is all when Clark was being "drafted". What kind of a
draftee tells the troops to "crank it up" :shrug:


8/9/2003

Gen. Clark's Order: 'Crank It Up'
National Journal,

Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark appears to be getting close to throwing his stars into the 2004 Democratic presidential nominating contest. Clark recently phoned one close adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity, and said, "Crank it up."

<snip>

http://www.draftclark2004.com/news_detail.asp?nid=89

Now see these threads: the "mysterious" draft Clark folks

Check out post #18 from back in August ;)

[Hoppin_Mad]

57. Like a precisely planned military invasion - no surprise ! -eom

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. So what? We were told to do that in the Gore campaign... That's standard

n/t

[Tinoire]

50. Naw. We'be been on to them from the start

We found all the links heralding them to DU back in August & September.

Crank it up indeed.

[drfemoe]

56. what?

I'm all cranked up???

[Tinoire]

58. Naw- I hope not. Not you!

Besides, some Clark supporters are extremely sincere but the campaign itself.... ouch! zing!

[Exgeneral]

4. That's why I came...

I had never heard of DU until this morning when I read about it on the blog.

[nomaco-10]

6. Welcome Exgeneral!

[janx]

47. Welcome to DU, Exgeneral!

I hope your time here is both informative and productive.

[Lefta Dissenter]

63. Welcome Exgen!

I hope you have asbestos underwear on! Things have been a little roasty around here lately.

But stick around, most of the people are nice, and you'll learn a lot!

[funky_bug]

7. Of ALL the NERVE!!!

Encouraging people to get involved in political debate!!!! Right, like THIS has never been done before.

I want to know what in the hell you people are so afraid of? If Dean is "clearly the winner" then all the debate in the world won't change that. If Lieberman is "the only one candidate strong on National Defense", them in a political race based on 9/11 fear, you have nothing to worry about. If Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, Kucinich et al are by far "superior candidates", then NOTHING any Clark supporter says on DU or elsewhere is going to change that fact.

I swear, if it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.

DU - changing the face of politics and rocking the vote. God, I need a beer now.

[Cuban_Liberal]

9. Calm down.

The only 'revelation' )if it even IS one) anywhere in this thread is that DU was 'encouraged' to be 'taken over' by the Clark campaign. Take a couple of sips of that beer; sorry if I spilled the beans...

:shrug:

[jmaier]

11. I'd like to see the part

in writing where the Clark campaign is asking folks to 'take over' DU. What they said is that there were a couple of press misstatements and asked folks to make sure the other side gets presented correctly. Pretty reasonable rapid response it seems to me.

[Cuban_Liberal]

19. It wasn't that ham-handed

The 'message' was more subtle, USUALLY, althoug the references to DU were frequent on the blog. It was more 'peer pressure', if you want a specific term. You can't honestly look me in the eye and tell me you haven't seen a huge influx of Clark people here in the last 2 months, or so, can you? Did you think that was just a happy coincidence?

[Crunchy Frog]

43. I've seen a huge influx

of Dean people here over the past few months. I wonder where they're all finding out about DU.

Incidently, I found DU a long time before I knew who any of the candidates were. I just lurked for a long time before registering.

[stickdog]

80. Funny, I've seen a huge exodus of Dean people AWAY FROM DU.

But I've been here since 2001.

[Turkw]

53. I am fairly new and I did not know that I was not welcome. I read about

the DU when I got involved with the Clark campaign, on the Florida Democratic Party website, not Clark's. I apologize for coming here and entering into the discussion. I though that all Democrats were welcome, but it seems that not every one is.

Nobody from the Clark campaign told me to come here, though Clark supporters took it upon themselves to alert others when a poll came out or an article was posted, they even went so far as to ask people to respond to things in the news. I apologize again, I thought that this was grassroots, the supporters doing things on their own. That the Clark campaign responded to our efforts and changed the information they put out, I thought was a good thing, I guess they should have ignored us.

Please let me know what kind of participation is appropriate for me.

[Crunchy Frog]

72. Don't you dare

let yourself be driven off of this site. You absolutely have as much right to be here as anyone else, certainly as much as the Dean supporters who have been here 2 or 3 months and racked up thousands of posts.

I don't give a damn what anyone calls me, or accuses me of, I'm here to stay and if people don't like it they're just shit out of luck.

[Tom Rinaldo]

60. Sorry to bring this up

You might have noticed that there has been a huge influx of people supporting Clark in a lot of places, like New Hampshire for instance, that have little or nothing directly to do with DU, over tha last two months. Personally I find that to be a very happy "coincidence". Actually, unlike every other candidate who has been campaignming for well over a year, Clark only entered the race less than 4 months ago. Before that, I am sure you are right, very very few Clark supporters were talking about him here on DU.

[Crunchy Frog]

73. Actually

I've been lurking here since last March, before I had even heard of Clark. It was sometime in probably the early summer that there started to be serious buzz here about the Draft Clark movement. And it just kept getting more intense until he declared his candidacy. He definitely had a strong cadre of supporters here even before he declared.

I became a Clark supporter on the basis of information I got while lurking on this site, just as I had earlier become a Dean supporter the same way.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

38. LOL

What a joke.

Direct quote & link if you don't mind.

Cyndi Nichol rides again.

[NashVegas]

40. I'd Give You 60 Direct Links, But the Clark Blog's Suddenly Gone Down

Guess it will have to wait.

[Crunchy Frog]

45. I'ts a conspiracy,

so no one can find out about their secret plots to take over progressive web sites.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

59. Absolutely!

LOL...be afwaid...be vewy vewy afwaid.
:scared:

[Brian_Expat]

13. This is part of the electability problem. . .

. . . Wesley Clark's endorsements from ultra-liberal Hollywood icons and his soft-on-terror platform is not going to get traction at FreeRepublic.com.

[NashVegas]

30. Debate?

In debates, you have winners and losers. If you want to debate someone, it's considered protocol that you announce your intentions up front.

Democratic Underground, to the best of my reconning, is a forum for discussion, for the most part.

The Clark supporters who followed these marching orders didn't give a rat's ass about the level of discussion on DU. Didn't give a rat's ass about the discussions you were choking off on DU. You all just wanted to come in here and slam the lead guy, who, coincidentally, was the most popularly supported on DU and promote your own.

If Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, Kucinich et al are by far "superior candidates", then NOTHING any Clark supporter says on DU or elsewhere is going to change that fact..

Correct. But you don't mind pissing in the pool in the process, do you?

You all should pay Elad, Skinner, and all the others who've had to run around deleting, closing, and tombstoning up the ying yang for the grief this has been causing.

[drfemoe]

48. yuh huh

Playing the freepers and duers at the same dance. tsk tsk
You would almost think the General has no morals.
oooops forgot
.. he doesn't.

[eyesroll]

10. Why is he urging people to bother correcting Free Republic?

Nobody on there is going to vote for Clark anyway. Anyone tries to post a defense of Clark (or any other Democrat besides maybe Zell) is going to get flamed and kicked out.

[stickdog]

81. Perhaps because some of Clark's supporters might feel more at home

there?

Just a wild guess ...

[wyldwolf]

12. Oh, you mean like this?

From "We want Dean.com"

http://www.boomundo.com/dean/messageboards.htm

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[Walt Starr]

15. Please fully read the original blog posting linked in the first post

Thank you.

It clearly states what should be posted and where. Dean's campaign obviously is nowhere near as organized at giving out the marching orders.

Marching orders from these two candidates are really hilarious when you take into account that both are soft on terror. Both would be torn apart by the Bush administration on the National defense issue.

Only one candidate is hard on terror, Joe Lieberman.

[wyldwolf]

21. Oh, I get it...

It is only a bad thing after a certain level of organization has been reached.

And, coincidently, Dean's supporters don't quite reach that level which you have set.

:eyes:
bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Walt Starr]

25. Not what I said

It's just as bad coming from the Dean campaign. Both candidates are unelectable because they are soft on terror.

The observation I made is that the Clark campaign is obviously more organized with this sort of thing than the Dean campaign.

[funky_bug]

17. Exaclty what I mean

Well put, Wyldwolf... but, um... you left out the part about a beer. I distinctly said what you said, but I mentioned a beer.

:toast:

[QC]

24. I demand that Dean renounce his invasion tactics!

Has he no decency? Has he, at long last, no decency? ;-)

[bitchkitty]

69. That is not Dean's official blog. But you knew that.

[Jerseycoa]

14. This is the silliest thing I've ever heard

Nobody ever ordered me to come here to DU. Nobody is ordering Clark supporters to join DU now. But since I am already here I can use information supplied by the campaign to defend my candidate. Just as Dean and Kerry and Edwards and Kucinich supporters and every other candidate's supporters uses information to defend against lies and smears and even simple misunderstanding. Please don't be this naive.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

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[Name removed]

23. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[funky_bug]

32. Eating paste

God... that explains SO much. Revelation there, Pam!

[DancingBear]

36. I think so

but I'm not Pam - I'm a male Bear! :) :) :) :)

[Cuban_Liberal]

22. How many Clark supporters just accidentally 'stumbled' on DU?

As a cop, I think that's a much better question.

[Jerseycoa]

29. How the hell do I know?

You don't know, either. You are simply stirring the trouble pot. Anybody can see that.

[Cuban_Liberal]

31. I'm sorry you find the truth uncomfortable.

It's what has happened and what continues to happen. DU has been swamped with Clark supporters who were stampeded here through ill-concealed peer pressure. I'm an ex-Clark supporter--- I know.

[Crunchy Frog]

49. I accidentally stumbled on DU

last March, when I was looking for a place of sanity at the start of the war. I didn't even know who Clark was at the time. I became a Clark supporter on the basis of things that I read right here. I didn't register for a long time because I'm shy, and just wanted to lurk.

Incidently, how did you happen to 'stumble' on DU? And are you going to arrest me?

[oxymoron]

68. deleted by poster

nevermind

[lurk_no_more]

16. This is from a blog

Not the Clark campaign, nice try though.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[bitchkitty]

71. Oh, really?

It's the official campaign blog for Clark. Nice try, though.

[Tinoire]

83. Here's the link and Call to Action from the General again.

By camworld
Posted to Official Campaign Blog (Call To Action) on Tue Jan 13th, 2004 at 12:01:47 AM EST

Matt Bennett is the Director of Communications at Clark for President. General Clark asked him to pass on this message to the online community and supporters.


General Clark is outraged! <snip>

The New York Times and CNN have been hoodwinked by our opponents. They're just wrong about this.

Make your voice heard - take this information to other blogs (Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, Free Republic, etc.)

http://campaign.forclark.com/story/2004/1/13/0147/96985

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

26. What a joke

Boy Walt for a Lieberman supporter you sure seem to spend a lot of time on the Clark blog...what's that all about I wonder?

In case you hadn't noticed, all the Draft Clark sites had DU posted as a "friendly" blog link.

Friendly until everyone figured out Wes is a viable candidate I guess.

I've been a member of the Draft Clark & the current Clark sites & no where at no time has ANYONE ordered Clark supporters to take over this forum.

What I've noticed since I've been around here are more Clark posts from non Clark supporters than from Clark supporters.

It's no friggin' wonder there's no real discussion here...too many people talking about every candidate but there own.

Jesus!

[Cuban_Liberal]

28. No one 'ordered' it, but the peer pressure was there, Pam.

Be honest--- how many times have YOU seen a 'there's a new poll over at DU--go vote for Clark!' on the blog? LOTS, if you're honest with yourself...

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

41. Yep I've seen it

I guess to you that's "taking over"...and I guess you like to pretend that other candidate's supporters don't flock to every poll that comes along on the net LOL.

We all know polls mean zilch. And we all know reports of polls are posted everywhere.

The animosity here between the supporters of the varied candidates is amazing. I honestly don't get it.

Yeah, I want my guy to win, you want yours to win, and the guy on the next block want's his to win...but damn...mainly here it seems we'd rather have shoot each other than admit that the important thing is that BUSH LOOSES.

And I'm not in the least interested in "he/she started it".

Isn't it time that someone decided to STOP IT instead of the coninual payback crap?

[Cuban_Liberal]

78. Actually...

I'm not sure at all that 'other candidates supporters' are herded to DU; in point of fact, this has always been a point of pride over at the Clark blog, this being able to successfully manipulate DU and make it into a Clark blog symbiote.

While I agree with you that all the fighting here seems silly and self-destructive, I'm also not going to pretend that what I know to be true about the systematic and organized takeover of DU by the Clark bloggers hasn't happened, because it has.

[Crunchy Frog]

52. He's not a Lieberman supporter

I think it's just the latest "fad" among some of the Dean supporters.

I've noticed a tendency towards fads among some of them, such as all sporting the same sig line. (I am by no means impugning all Dean supporters with this tendency, but it certainly is there among a vocal minority.)

[RafterMan]

27. Good on them

I think all campaigns should direct their supporters to venues where lies are being spread about the candidate and urge their supporters to correct them :-P

[markus]

33. This is a dead link, a dead site, in fact

n/t

[janx]

42. There are copies of it on hard drives everywhere.

Make no mistake...

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. You and I dance to the beat of a different drrum...

And this issue is about as relevant as that old song.

First off, might as well post the context for your extracted quote. Here is what directly proceeded it:

"General Clark is outraged! The New York Times and pundits on CNN have utterly distorted the facts about his statements regarding Iraq and al Qaeda.

Here are the facts: Wes Clark has always said that there was some link between al Qaeda and Saddam's intelligence agents. But he has also always maintained that there is NO evidence that Iraq was in any way responsible for 9/11 or for training or equipping al Qaeda operatives. He said that in 2002, and he is saying that today.

The New York Times and CNN have been hoodwinked by our opponents. They're just wrong about this."

Of course this repost loses something in translation because the original found at Clark's Community blog site has embedded hyperlinks to detailed, useful, and interesting information. You might actually want to go there and check it out.

That's the exact information that Clark supporters were asked to help get out. Sounds like a rapid action issue response initiative to me. One that asks grass roots supporters to be involved. That sounds a lot like what some of the best grass roots supported campaigns try to do. I hope whoever wins the Democratic nomination uses the same type of appeal to supporters to make sure that his message gets out whenever it is being distorted. That's part of how you actually win elections, and last time I checked, we were in the business of finding a candidate who can actually win the 2004 Election. Someone actually have a problem with this?

As to the silliness one poster is putting out about knowing about a "directive" to "take over" DU etc., I will simply say, prove it. Anyone can make up such a charge for any reason, citing unsubstantiated evidence, while pretending to be anyone they want. Blogs are pretty free form, as anyone who spends time on them knows. Anyone can say pretty much anything on them, so one or more posts found on a Clark blog encouraging other Clark supporters to become active on DU would not qualify as "a directive" let alone a "take over attempt".

Which brings us to the final point. The National Democratic Party fully accepts Wesley Clark as a Democratic Party candidate for President. That means that Clark's supporters are backing a Democrat and are thus active in Democratic Party politics. There are many on DU who have been long time members who back Clark, but no matter. Brand new participants on DU are doing exactly what participants who joined a year earlier are doing, only they started doing it a year later. If DU doesn't want new Democratic members, it should close its membership. It's that simple, but no one is stupid enough to argue for that position. Is there a litmus test now for Democrats?

The current front runner, Howard Dean, rightfully boasts that he is bringing new participants into the Democratic Party, so new, in fact, that he can't be sure that they all will be able to transfer their personal allegiance toward him to another Democrat if Dean doesn't win the nomination. Isn't is supposed to be a GOOD thing that Dean is bringing new blood into the party? Isn't is supposed to be a GOOD thing that the Democratic Underground is growing in membership and importance? So why is it a BAD thing if new Clark supporters join DU? Do you have to know a secret hand shake? Do you have to be personally sponsored by three blue blood 1000+ post members who have been in good standing for over a year. Is this a Country Club or a discussion forum?

I guess it's a GOOD thing if you find out about DU in an email from a personal friend, but it is a BAD thing if you find out about DU from the web site of one of the Democratic Party Candidates for President. That must be it. What a suspect source of referrals, the web site of official Democratic Party candidates for President. Will scandals never cease.

Pardon me if I act confused, because so much has been made of late about the powerful grassroots Movement Dean has inspired. You know, the one that spontaneously writes all those thousands of letters to DLC politicians like Gore urging him to back their candidate. The one that fires off hundreds of spontaneous letters to media outlets that carry biased stories about Howard Dean. That's it right? When Dean supporters cooperate on behalf of their candidate, when they defend him, it is a thrilling and noble display of participatory Democracy. Me, I sit around waiting for my marching orders.

By the way, I joined DU when I did a google search for web sites about Wesley Clark, (In early September I believe) and one of the replies I got was for the DU Links page. Was that an acceptable way to find out about DU? Do you think maybe, this being a Presidential Election year with no Democratic incumbent, that more potential new DU members might be out seeking web sites that encourage them to participate in discussions with other Democrats? Nah, it's a conspiracy.

[NashVegas]

39. I Guess It Depends on Your Definition of Relevant

And this issue is about as relevant as that old song

Now there's an interesting thought. Here you are, supposedly in praise of a Democratic candidate, telling us all that a song about letting people have their differences without getting into a tizzy is irrelevant.

Before the influx of Clark campaigners - let me emphasize the word campaigners as opposed to lay supporters, of which there were already plenty, DUers were allowed to have threads in which various candidates and their strengths, and weaknesses, were honestly discussed without people who had a personal stake in the outcome of the discussion trying to take over the converation.

Now, no one who's having real doubts about any candidate can post a thread without either being jumped on and castigated by that candidate's supporters, or exploited by their opponents.

This hasn't contributed to discussion - it's choked it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

54. Actually that song was mostly about non monogamy

I guess it could be a creed for avoiding joining any political party. I sense that you are a thoughtful person, that's the tone of your post as I read it anyway. Since joining DU I have been party to many thoughtful discussions, and I too hate the flame wars and lack of substantiative dialog that predominates here at times.

When I first joined I found lots of Pro Dean threads and anti Clark threads. Now there are more anti Dean threads than anti Clark threads. Part of that is because Dean is the front runner and that is how politics often is played. Dean is getting attacks from some Kucinich supporters, and Kerry supporters among others as I am sure you have noticed. Anti Clark threads are still well represented here. Yet you single out Clark supporters as the cause of DU's "demise".

Had you really not spent any time on the Pro Clark threads that were on DU say two to six weeks ago? It was a running joke back then how many posts it would take before some pit bull attack poster showed up to call Clark a war criminal and Republican stooge.

You yourself made no substantiative comments on the content of my post, by the way. Most of what I said was not rhetorical, there were real points made, and you ignored them and instead made an insinuation about me ("Here you are, supposedly in praise of a Democratic candidate"). To use your words "This hasn't contributed to discussion - it's choked it".

Can you see how this thread topic might seem to a Clark supporter? Yes, someone like me, who in my spare time stood around in the cold in an upstate New York winter volunteering to gather signatures to put Clark on the Primary Ballot? Do you consider this thread topic to be one that adheres to the honored standard you evoked, where "various candidates and their strengths, and weaknesses, were honestly discussed without people who had a personal stake in the outcome of the discussion trying to take over the conversation"? Is that what this thread was about? Sure could have fooled me.

I wouldn't have commented the way I did if I didn't see the intent of this thread to be a thinly veiled at best attack. And in my comments I actually specifically spoke to why I do consider this to be an attack thread, rather than just throw off some retaliatory insults. You see, I don't like attack threads either.

You said "Now, no one who's having real doubts about any candidate can post a thread without either being jumped on and castigated by that candidate's supporters, or exploited by their opponents." You know what, I agree with you. It is depressing. But a thread that demeans Clark supporters as automaton newbies out to conquer DU will do nothing to lesson that dynamic. To the contrary, it doesn't require a deep understanding of psychology to predict that if anything it will only feed the downward spiral.

[funky_bug]

35. Clark's Marching Orders?

You know, when I signed on to DU, it was for the sole purpose of learning more about the other candidates, their character and their issues, their records in and out of office, etc...

Eventually got sucked in to the flame wars, trying to defend the candidate I have pledged my support to.

Then I vowed to stay away from the flame wars, and just try to see the other side of the argument, all the while hoping to spread a little of the positive message I feel that Clark offers.

But now - now I don't care. I don't care if I offer another side of the argument, and I don't care if others believe me or not.

Why don't I care? Because after posts like this, and all the fake avatars today, I realized something; you people have your heads buried so far up your asses, that you won't even be able to find the polls when it comes time to vote.

[slinkerwink]

46. hmmmm....

You know, when I signed on to DU, it was for the sole purpose of learning more about the other candidates, their character and their issues, their records in and out of office, etc...

Eventually got sucked in to the flame wars, trying to defend the candidate I have pledged my support to.

Then I vowed to stay away from the flame wars, and just try to see the other side of the argument, all the while hoping to spread a little of the positive message I feel that Dean offers.

But now - now I don't care. I don't care if I offer another side of the argument, and I don't care if others believe me or not.

Why don't I care? Because after posts like this, and all the fake avatars today, I realized something.......GD:2004 is nothing more than pure flamebait where there is no REAL discussion of candidates' policies, but trashing those candidates instead........

[Lefta Dissenter]

64. Slink

That was rude. And I don't think you should be whining about fake avatars, Ms... WHAT was that sockpuppet name you chose when you wanted to con DU, pretending to be a recent convert?

You can do better than mockery to make your point.

[JNelson6563]

82. Yes, we can tell by your screen name

you were collecting objective info on the candidates.

Oy! Say what you want, state falsehoods if it floats your boat, but don't, I say do not, insult out intelligence.

Glad to see that at least you realize massive sig line pics aren't allowed even for objective info seekers such as yourself. I'm sure those on dial-up are grateful.

Julie

[meow mix]

51. im new and in luv w/clark - but drug rushbag tell me about du

he's on my radio in the morning,
it really sucks.
but im glad he promotes du sometimes =)

[CWebster]

85. That has to take the cake.nt

[janx]

55. Hey Walt...I just noticed.

When did you switch to Lieberman? And why?

I know you were a little fickle about which candidate was your favorite (at least for awhile), but I thought you had finally made up your mind.

I'm frankly a bit surprised.

[Lefta Dissenter]

61. This is a joke, right?

Perhaps the influx of Clark supporters starting around... oh, perhaps around September or so is because that's when Clark actually declared! For Pete's Sake! I was a lurker here for quite a while before I registered, and I was invited to DU by a DEAN SUPPORTER! (I think she's recovering, though...)

Do you really think people would spend all their time here because someone told them to? I started off learning and being entertained, wanting to share information about my candidate, and getting to know more about the other candidates. But MAN, have I learned a lot about their supporters, as well!

Maybe you'd better start facing the fact that Clark is winning the DU polls because he's the most qualified candidate!!!

[Rose Siding]

62. "The General is outraged!" ROTFL!

That is hilarious! Is that really the "official" blog?

[janx]

65. It's offline now.

It appears to be official, yes--at least this part looks official:

"Matt Bennett is the Director of Communications at Clark for President. General Clark asked him to pass on this message to the online community and supporters.'

There were some Clark supporters here at the outset, but there has been link after link to DU from the Clark blog. The huge influx had to do with that. And then disruptors found out about it and delighted in the chaos... B-)

What I can't figure out is Walt's sudden change of heart. What is going on with Walt?

[Rose Siding]

66. "Outraged!" mind you!

Is he trying to out Howard Dean, Howard Dean? Consider Dean's "anger" at Dems enabling bush by supporting an unjust war, but what OUTRAGES Clark? His words are spun by CNN! Sounds like a personal problem.

[bitchkitty]

67. FreeRepublic?

That's very disturbing, as it the call to freep.

Edit - here's a typical comment:

<snip>
I've always said that Chris Mathews tries to skirt that fine line between being the entertaining "agressive" interviewer and an a responsible journalist. Sometimes he goes a bit to far, but most often he catches himself. Most importantly, he is self-aware.

Lets give him credit for always being "entertaining" and almost always doing informative interviews (at least he is trying).
</snip>

[ReynoldsWrap]

70. I came here...

because I was debating with some right-wing stooge on a gaming forum. As his final frustrated attack, he said to me "You're probably one of those tools who hang around democraticunderground.com"... I'd never heard of the site before, so I went to it, read some funny yet truthful articles and then noticed there were forums. Lurked for a while, read a post that just annoyed the ever-loving crap out of me, registered, and started posting.

I'm an active Clark supporter, and I lurk on some of the Clark blogs, and oddly enough after a few months of that, I hadn't heard of DU until a couple weeks ago when some right-wing (wrong-wing) slimeball tipped me off on a computer gaming forum...

Sure is one hell of a conspiracy to take over DU!

[kayleybeth]

74. Welcome to DU ReynoldsWrap

Glad you found DU and glad to count you among the ranks of Clark supporters here!

GO WES GO!!!!

[Crunchy Frog]

77. Welcome to DU ReynoldsWrap!

I hope you will contribute more. And don't let yourself get scared off by a few really obnoxious people. All in all, this is a great site. I have learned an incredible amount in the time since I started lurking here.:toast:

[Tatiana]

75. Dammit, another memo I missed!

I actually came to this site because I was furious with Selection 2000, can't stand Bush, and thought I'd find likeminded people here.

[TrueAmerican]

76. Victory!

We have done it! Clark supporters we have taken over DU. Yes, I registered here at DU over year before Clark got into the race. But I knew Clark will need my help in engineering this takeover.

So, the next step is to hand out pink slips to the administators and moderators.

Dean supporters, you will be all banned effective 0100 hours Pacific Time today. So, get your last shots in.

[Padraig18]

79. What an UGLY thread, but also informative.

Seems like the truth is out, at long last. Heh, why am I not at all surprised? :eyes:

[CWebster]

84. Clark is the stalking trojan horse

to destroy the growing Democratic party grassroots strength and unity.

The freepers laugh that Clark supporters don't even recognize a MIC embed in their own party...Or, maybe they do and that is the point with their strong-arm bullying and obvious tactics to proselytise, skew polls, destroy Dean. The sort of strategies taught at the School of the Americas to undermine efforts of Latin American peoples to establish their own governments. What a way to keep down the growing threat of a Democratic party growing in influence?

At the same time ignore all the obvious liabilities---a fired general (fired under Clinton, no less), the accusation of wanting to start WW3---yeah that is real foreign policy expertise we need. A sudden conversion to the Democratic party after appealing to the Right, videotaped evidence that he praised Bush and his criminal administration repeatedly, his corporate lobbying for Homeland security invasive programs, his deception on the IWR. Not to mention his present connection to Clinton will be used by the Right to knock him down---without even using the dark suggestion that the general,trying on sweaters, has an efete tendency.

So maybe it isn't a question of stars in the eyes or a fantasy of outstrutting Bush on aircraft carriers. Maybe it is a deliberate movement to divide the Democrats and keep them from rising. It was obvious this place was under seige--even the freepers saw it, a progressive site-with a new militaristic tone, maybe it is all a planned strategy that only heralds what could come.

[deminflorida]

86. Yeah right, I'm a grass-roots supporter of Clark and I didn't get

any damn marching orders from anybody....Here's my website representing my area buddy, and no one had to tell me to put it up or pay for it, either...

Thank you very much...

From Navarre, Florida...

www.emeraldcoast4clark.org

We're waiting on you down here in March...just keep that in mind...

[newyawker99]

87. Locking.....

This is inflammatory.


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