Tonight's the night, right? Sinclair show

[4_Legs_Good]

Anyone gonna be watching?

When will we know what, if any, fallout there is?

david

[Beaverhausen]

1. just my opinion but I don't think it will change minds (eom)

[4_Legs_Good]

13. I think you're right, but I'm gonna be away from DU for 2 days, and I

don't know if I can stand it, with something like this hanging out there. I need to know the DU opinion!

I think we're fine, and I hope Sinclair tanks.

david

[TrueAmerican]

2. Who is Sinclair

Is he running for the house?

[Stephanie]

21. If you're serious, Sinclair is the television company

that owns many cable stations, and announced that they were pre-empting all other programming tonight to show a "documentary" that slams Kerry for his advocacy against the Vietnam War. It's akin to the Swift Boat Liars, but they are broadcasting to something like 20% of the cable market? Someone correct my numbers.

[Touchdown]

3. Anyone know which Viacom's are gonna show UpRiver?

I heard that viacom will broadcast the Kerry film on all their statements as an answer to Sinclair's smear.

Anybody got those stations?

[Cha]

9. Is this For Real?

Viacom is going to show "Going Upriver"?

And as for sinclair..smear tactics..I predict it will bomb!

[Touchdown]

14. Cant' find a link, but I saw it on another forum...

Viacom counters Sinclair
Today in a shocking turn Viacom announces it will have “Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry” played on all channels

By Beverly Donaldson
October 20, 2004

New York (NFB) Today in an unexpected move, the media giant Viacom has announced it will air “Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry” on all it’s channels if Sinclair decides to run “Stolen Honor”. If this goes through it may start an adverse trend in U.S. politics.

Viacom owns some of the most influential channels. These channels include: M.T.V., Spike TV, Comedy Central, Country Music Television, and other channels will high viewer numbers. Viacom also owns the CBS Television Network and the U.P.N. Television Network.

“Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry” is a documentary on Senator John Kerry's Navy tour of duty in Vietnam, his contributions to the peace movement that followed, and the ultimate shape of his future political career. It contains accounts from people who were closest to Senator John Kerry in his life, ranging from David Alston who served on PCF-94 in Vietnam, to John Kerry’s roommate at Yale.

This political match up between President Bush and John Kerry and the media giants taking sides shows a growing divide in U.S. politics from all aspects of life.

This is where I read it...

http://www.americanforum.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5521&start=0

[4_Legs_Good]

15. That's fantastic news!

I hear Going Upriver is GREAT. Probably 100,000x better than this Sinclair drivel. While I think it's uncool to air this stuff so close to the election either way, you gotta fight fire with fire.

david

[Touchdown]

27. ONE PROBLEM-I can't find anything on Google about it.

I have no idea wheter or not it's a hoax, or the original poster took it off of an e-mail or print. TiVo isn't showing anything for tonight.

[Cha]

17. Thank you so much, Touchdown!

I don't know about anyone else but I get chills AND shivers when I read what Viacom is willing to do for our Democracy!!

O8) They are our Media Angels! O8)

[DemocracyInaction]

38. Stunned....I prayed for this.......okaaaaaaaaaay, now I can offically

say that God might not be speaking to me; but goddamn it, he's listening (as any good man should do when a woman is addressing him----yeah God).

[Paradise]

4. you've exposed the elephant in the room! :) n/t

[footinmouth]

5. I don't think I can bring myself to watch it

My husband and I are sitting here with the program guide, debating whether or not to watch it. I said I don't think I can be a party to that. I'd rather their ratings just tank. I told him I'd catch up on it on the DU. Maybe someone here will watch so I don't have to.

[democrat_patriot]

8. Nobody wacth. Watching it changes nothing, and creates ratings.

eom.

[4_Legs_Good]

12. It's good to be informed of what the opposition will be talking about, but

you're right about ratings. The worst part about the ratings game is that if it does well they might have an excuse to show it again.

david

[Stephanie]

6. What time? Not in my area

Please give us your report if you're able to see this.

[high density]

7. I'm going to tape it

In case people need it for lawsuits or something.

[calmblueocean]

10. We just got "Going Upriver" from Netflix...

And we're going to watch *that* instead of the Sinc-liar smearfest.

I'll be checking in here afterwards to see what DU thought of it, though.

[4_Legs_Good]

11. OMG it's Netflixable? I meant to order it from Amazon.

Maybe I'll go to Fry's or something this weekend. I really want to see it before the election!

Thanks for reminding me!

david

[BuelahWitch]

39. Yep, Netflix has many liberal friendly documentaries

Going Upriver, Outfoxed, Unprecedented and several others. They've also lowered their monthly rates.

No, I don't work for them, just love their service! :bounce:

[oldtime dfl_er]

24. "Going Upriver" is spectacular!!!

Everyone should see it before voting, and kudos to Viacom if the story is true! Also -- if anyone can hold their noses thru the Sinclair "program", please let us know which companies advertised! I had email from Pfizer today saying they would not, don't know if anyone else got that mail.

[Bush was AWOL]

16. Don't watch it. Watching it will give the show higher ratings

which will cause more media coverage.

[4_Legs_Good]

19. Yeah, the real problem is the media coverage, we just want this to go away

But one of us should watch it in stealth mode with an antenna or something so they can give us the gist of it.

:)

I'm amazed how little coverage there's been of it today. That's a good sign!

david

[Maddy McCall]

54. How does watching it give the show higher ratings?

[high density]

18. It's disgusting already

They blame the Democrats for wanting to stop free speech. Sincair says they never planned to show the whole documentary, but I believe them as much as I believe Bush*.

They're showing a long clip from "Stolen Honor" right now.

[4_Legs_Good]

20. It's been fun watching them change their story over the last week

[high density]

22. Really disgusting clip

It was like a five minute Swift Boat Ad. It's all surrounded by this faux news coverage.

Sinclair blames no Kerry campaign response, so they seeked him out.

Clip of Kerry on Oct. 14 in Las Vegas, NV: "This campaign isn't about 35 years ago. It's about jobs, healthcare... What I did about 35 years ago is a point of reference... I have great support from Veternas..."

Now there are anti-Kerry Vietnam vets vs. pro-Kerry Vietnam Vets being interviewed.

By the way, this is all taped and not live.

[4_Legs_Good]

28. Hmmmmm. sounds cheesey

Like they're trying really hard to put anything together.

david

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. It's on here. Just turned on my local channel and there is a discussion

going on.

[high density]

25. Local ads on now advertsing the 11pm newscast

And my local channel is asking for comments about the program at http://www.wgme.com/thisis.shtml for the 11pm news.

Also an ad for http://www.consumerfreedom.com/

[meganmonkey]

49. if you watch the 11 news

let me know if they read an email from jane in ann arbor.
thanks!

also, their website says there is a piece on "Prom Queens for Kerry" on the news tonight!

[high density]

26. Now they have a disguised "news" segment that's bashing Kerry

Talk about throwing his medals, "some POWs allege that his comments caused them to be held in captivity longer."

[high density]

29. Clip from "Going Upriver" now

The clip is focusing on how dangerous the swift boat duty was. Now Jim Rassmann is talking.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. They are showing clips from "Going Upriver

:-)

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. Showing a clip from "Going Upriver" where Kerry came back

and saved his crewmember. :-)

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Talking to the guy who made "Going Upriver" now

[4_Legs_Good]

43. Are they giving him a fair chance to speak?

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. They gave him time to say what he wanted, I guess

:shrug: I think he got his point across.

[high density]

33. George Butler, director of "Going Upriver" is being interviewed

Here's some paraphrasing, I missed some of Butler's responses:

Butler: Kerry wanted to end the war, bring the troops home."

Sinclair GOP host: Can you understand the animosity of those that POWs felt after hearing Kerry's words being played?

Butler: The reports were exaggerated...

Sinclair GOP host: Do you think it was right for Kerry to turn down our request to comment?

Butler: Stolen Honor is full of inacuracies...

---

"Coming up, we take a look at George Bush's service."

[meganmonkey]

36. thank you high density and texas blue eyes!

i'm tv-less and not in a sinclair market anyway. but i'm curious to see what it's like..

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. No prob!

:-)

[Rex_Goodheart]

37. I can understand the animosity those POW's feel...

but only in this context: they got mentally screwed up by their captivity, and they're thinking selfishly.

Kerry helped to end the war. He saved other people from going through the torture they endured. They need to step back and think rationally for a spell, instead of emotionally.

Having never been a POW, I have no concept of how difficult that might be, but they're doing this country a great disservice.

[4_Legs_Good]

44. I've never quite understood why vets hate vets who protested when they got

back. It seems that they're the ones who saved so many in the end. And they also served their term.

david

[Lilli]

34. So nothing new so far? - Same old? same old?

[high density]

35. Sinclair now calling Cartlon Sherwood a journalist

Didn't mention his conservative slant.

Now interviewing him.

Sherwood: What were the consequences of what Kerry did? What was his motivations. He wanted to be a political candidate and he made his entire career on this...

Short interview.

Now on to Bush's service...

Found a clip of Bush in 1999 saying that he would have gone overseas had his unit been called up. Claims no preferential treatment for getting into the TANG.

"Bush was a top knotch fighter pilot, then questions surfaced when he wanted to be transfered to Alabama."

They're showing the "Texans for Truth" ad.

Up next a segment on media bias.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. The chimp checked the no box which asked about overseas duty

So the chimp is lying there. No surprise.

[kskiska]

40. Freeps are unhappy. No red meat yet.

To: tirednvirginia

I'm feeling a bit betrayed right now. It's still not over so there is still some hope. I guess.

153 posted on 10/22/2004 5:39:54 PM PDT by highlandbreeze
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To: EllaMinnow
It's right now a hit piece on President Bush's NG service. I am pissed!

There is NOTHING in the movie Stolen Honor about President Bush

When are they going to ADDRESS THE MOVIE??
154 posted on 10/22/2004 5:40:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)

[4_Legs_Good]

46. Wow That's great news. Thanks for the update!

It's good to know what they're thinking!

david

[kskiska]

61. More from Freeperville

To: nuffsenuff

I don't see what President Bush's ANG service has to do with this. They just brought up Pres Bush's service in MA (?) -- he never was supposed to be there.

156 posted on 10/22/2004 5:41:03 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Vote for Dr. Tom)

--------------------------
To: KavMan

NOW CRAP PIECE ON MEDIA COVERAGE. SO FAR THIS IS CRAP. I SHOULD HAVE LEFT TOWN AS I HAD PLANNED INSTEAD OF STAYING TO WATVH THIS. I AM EMBARRSED I TOLD PEOPLE TO BE SURE AND WATCH THIS CRAP.

177 posted on 10/22/2004 5:44:24 PM PDT by notkerry

-----------------

To: T-Boy

WE ALL NEED TO CONTACT SINCLAIR AND TELL THEM WE ARE THRU WITH THEM AND THEIR STATION. WATCH THEIR STOCK DROP NOW.

191 posted on 10/22/2004 5:47:32 PM PDT by notkerry

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1253980/posts?q=1&&page=151

[JohnnyCougar]

63. ngahaahhaahahahahahaaha

That freeper stayed home from vacation to watch that crap?!?

Ahahahahahahaha!!!!

HAhahaahah!!!!

OMFG, what a loser!!!!

[mzmolly]

41. Seems a *bit* of a victory for the grass roots!

:toast:

They're attempting to appear fair? :crazy:

[4_Legs_Good]

50. Wow! Way to go everyone!

I'm proud of us!

david

[mzmolly]

56. Me too David!

We ROCK! :toast: ;)

[high density]

59. Seems that way

There was a long clip from "Stolen Honor" at the beginning of the program, but that was offset, I guess, by a nice clip from "Going Upriver."

I have a feeling this would have been must worse had the liberals not put such a spotlight on Sinclair.

[MoonRiver]

42. I didn't know it was on tonight.

I guess that's a good sign! :D

[high density]

48. This is a useless piece on media bias (surprise)

Talks about more people with internet access

Talking about CBS news using "fake documents" and how the "bloggers" pointed this out in under 24 hours.

Now onto TV ads, 527 groups. Oh my god, the reporter just said: "Remember how people questioned what Swift Boat Vets had to say? Most of what they were saying WAS true." -- what a joke report!


Interviewing two guys about media bias, one from CATO. The CATO guy doubts that Sinclair has an agenda.

[4_Legs_Good]

51. Only 12 minutes left?

It's an hour right?

david

Edit:ing out my stupidity

[Bush was AWOL]

53. Freepers are not happy. Sinclair caved!!!!!!

LOL

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. LOL

:evilgrin: But hey they still have the wolf ad!

[funky_bug]

55. OMG The Freepers are PISSED!

To: kaferhaus
I just quit watching this travesty. I am furious! More attention was given to Kerry's movie and it's director, George Butler, etc. than any of the Stolen Honor movie.When they belittled Bush's guard service, that was when I gave up on this crap. I am so disgusted I can barely type. I will be contacting Sinclair. It was a damn ad for Kerry!

19 posted on 10/22/2004 5:46:59 PM PDT by gramho12 (Got wood?)
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This is beautiful! Good job, DU. We got Sinclair where we wanted them. Can I order from PizzaHut NOW????

[4_Legs_Good]

58. /does the happy dance!

Wooooo hooooo!!!!!!

david

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. LOL

"It was a damn ad for Kerry!"

[kskiska]

64. They bought the sponsors' products

and even bought stock in Sinclair.

[Generator]

66. Will wonders ever cease???

Okay everybody, deep breath. It sounds like about the coverage you would see on Faux, though more slanted, but still it could have been much much worse. Yeah to our side for fighting.

[mzmolly]

62. YEAHHHH! I FEEL GOOD! .... I KNEW THAT I WOULD NOW HONEY!

:P

[DemocracyInaction]

67. awwwwjesus this feels as good as the Red Sox victory............

..now, all of you, go out and party. And now John, keep BRINGING IT ON. Bring home the victory, John...I think you just turned that boat upriver and killed another enemy.

[high density]

65. LOL, you should have seen the scroll at the end of it

They were begging people to contact the FCC or go to Sinclair's website and tell them about how they were within their first amendment rights to air this fair documentary.

[nonconformist]

68. Hilarious!

I posted commercial break updates (what my local station was airing) in the thread in GD. It's worth a belly laugh in and of itself.
_________________________________
The first commercial break

Watching FOX 56, Lexington.

A bunch of Fox commercials for other shows and the air times. It was laughable. Only two real commercials:
Consumerfreedom.com
Headcount.org
_____________________________
Second commercial break

FOX 56, Lexington

HILARIOUS! I've never seen so many TV show plugs in my LIFE. ALL FOX commercials (Simpsons, Everybody Loves Raymond, etc). Only ONE actual commercial this time:

Saluteheros.org, had a NASCAR spokesperson (Joe Nemechek).
______________________________________
Third commercial break

FOX 56, Lexington

Same as the first, only two real commercials:

Consumerfreedom.com
Headcount.org

This is so fucking funny.
__________________________________
Fourth and final commercial break

FOX 56, Lexington

NOTHING!!! Just FOX show promos!
_________________________________


*dies*

[Zero Division]

71. Wow. Simply Beautiful. Hats off to those who wrote and called advertisers.

:thumbsup:

[DemocracyInaction]

69. Do you have the feeling Dems are more powerful than we know

and that it isn't just us and our grassroots assault but maybe things like the Teresa Heinz money or the Bill Clinton clout, etc. It's called power and those who think they have it but are way down on the money/power scale soon learn not to mess with it????????

[4_Legs_Good]

70. With good organization we can acomplish anything...

and the good part is that we're on the right side!

I'm so proud! Way to go everyone!

david

[durablend]

72. Just wondering...

Do our friends at the "media" (CNN, MSNBC, et al) have any way of spinning it (clips) or was it pretty much DOA where they'd be concerned?

[Neecy]

73. I thought it was disgusting

...especially at the end, when they attempted to brand war protestors as 'traitors'.

Got news for you, asshats: we were RIGHT.

The fake 'news' feel of it was laughable. It was cheesy, poorly produced, and got enough of their brownshirt propaganda in to make it vomit-inducing.

[4_Legs_Good]

74. But was it "explosive"

and likely to have an affect on the election?

Not that what they did wasn't wrong, but how does it stand for us? From what I've read on this thread, it doesn't sound like it's gonna cost us anything and it's gonna cost Sinclair dearly. Not bad all in all (politically speaking, of course).

david

[Neecy]

75. no....

and no.

For those of us familiar with the Swift Boat Liars, it was nothing new. I'm still furious, though, at how they protrayed today's war protestors - as traitorous, anti-American scum.

Quaint. And again: we were right.

[4_Legs_Good]

76. Good and bad! I hate when they portray protesters as scum...

If I had watched it (still at work), I'd probably be as furious as you.

david

[Clintmax]

78. Glad to be part of all this!

I'm SO glad I got to be part of all this with you fellow DU'ers! I'm also very happy I found you when I did! I didn't watch the show, but read thru all the posts as it was in progress. I sent e-mails to ALL of Sinclair's advertisers and got back some good, and some not so good responses. I feel really good right now!

GO DU'ers!
GO President Kerry!

[high density]

77. Yeah, it was very cheap looking

And there were some lame shots taken at Kerry, but this was much better than having "Stolen Honor" aired in its entirety.