McGlauglin Group: Pat Buchanan said this

[Norbert]

After the election there will be a war within the Republican party between the traditional concervatives and the neocons. The traditional conservatives want to take the party back.


Can't say I don't see this coming.

[mr_hat]

1. The fundies are in the neo camp, right?

[Crunchy Frog]

13. I think it's more of a strategic alliance.

Apart from an interest in power, they really do not have alot in common. I have the impression that most of the neocons are fairly secular. Many of them also happen to be Jewish which means that according to the fundies they're going to Hell.

They are allied right now because they currently have interests that happen to coincide. The alliance could easily fall apart if there is a perception on either side that their interests have diverged.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. Hadn't given it much thought, but this would be the logical next

step. Poor boogers.

[kaitykaity]

3. Is this "if" Bush loses?

Bush is gonna lose, but I'm asking if Buchanan said
anything about it.

[grasswire]

4. I think he said....

....if Bush wins. If I recall correctly.

[kaitykaity]

5. It doesn't come on here until 10pm Pacific.

I'll set up the VCR, check it out.

[Wapsie B]

9. It shouldn't matter.

The Old-Guard conservatives should want to take their party back no matter that happens. This hijacking of the gop has gone on long enough.

[Cha]

19. Exactly! What's up with this if bush wins

scenario...it's going to happen when he Lose Even more..The Moderate repubs will definetly have more of a leg to stand on.

[Norbert]

6. My question is this

Even though Buchanan endorses * why would he say this if he thinks shrub is going to win, or does he think shrub is going to win?


Hmmmmmmm!

[rooboy]

7. It's already started....

there will be a war in the R party no matter whether * wins or not.

[Soup Bean]

8. I think Pat would welcome a Bush loss.

A Bush win would not create the power vacuum needed for the True Conservatives to take the party. The Neocons would solidify their power in a second administration with their wars on Iran (good pipeline area) and maaaayyyybeeee Saudi Arabia, although I'm not sure they can do that to their Saudi ruling class buddies....

[DURHAM D]

10. Did he actually say neocons. The war is between the Christians

and the traditional conservatives.

[Norbert]

11. Yes. He did say neocons.

[DURHAM D]

12. I think he is afraid to call it by the correct name.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Pat Buchanan has it particularly in for the neocons.

He does not see them as conservatives but more as dangerous radicals somewhat in the tradition of Trotskyism.

He has been writing and talking about this for a long time.

While Pat may not be technically a fundie, he has quite a bit in common with the Christian right, and probably does not see them as the primary enemy of traditional conservatism.

I havn't looked at his new book yet, but am kind of curious to see what he has to say in it.

[DURHAM D]

18. The neocons are not in the party. They are above the party.

No one on the floor at the convention really believes in the new world order. They don't even know what it is. The people who work for the repug party and the people who vote repug have no idea how they are being used by a handful of men.

As Sey Hersch said the other day "six, seven or eight men took over this country" without a sound from the press, the party or the people.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

14. Why wait till after the election? The "traditional" conservatives still

want their tax cut above all else, so they still want shrubya in despite everything, eh?

[NYCGirl]

15. His latest book is called "Where the Right Went Wrong"

Where the Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312341156/qid=1098490305/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-2813062-4727810?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Here's the review from Amazon:

Although the George W. Bush administration is famous for being "on message," delivering a consistent and polished political perspective no matter what, such consistency apparently does not extend to every member of the conservative universe. In Where the Right Went Wrong, veteran pundit and occasional presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan offers up scathing criticisms of Bush's policies, the arrogance and boorishness of which, he warns, could ultimately dramatically destabilize the United States' superpower status. The problem, in Buchanan's eyes, is the rejection of traditional Reagan-era conservatism by an administration under the sway of the so-called "neoconservatives," who favor a pre-emptive military strategy and big government and don't mind running up dangerously huge budget deficits to support it. The war in Iraq, fought without direct demonstrable threat, alienates America in the eyes of the rest of the world, says Buchanan, squandering the global goodwill earned after the 9/11 attacks and creating exponentially larger numbers of terrorists who will threaten the U.S. for generations to come. The zeal over free trade among elected officials, a feeling notably not shared by Buchanan, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader, is costing America jobs, Buchanan theorizes, and leading to a de-industrialized service-sector-only economy, an end to American self-sufficiency in favor of a reliance on global corporations, and a looming economic crisis. Refreshingly, and unlike pundits of his day, Buchanan crafts his arguments by examining world history, offering detailed analogies to the Roman Empire, the Civil War, and pre-Soviet Russia among others. Conservatives alienated by the Bush administration will find an eloquent champion in Buchanan and even liberals, who may not have known there was a conservative argument against war in Iraq, stand to learn something from a right side of the aisle perspective so different from that found in the Bush White House. --John Moe

[Roland99]

17. A Bush loss would certainly quicken that civil war

A Bush win may temper things for another 4 years.

[zbdent]

20. Hey, maybe the Repuke party will become

the 3rd and 4th parties!

heh heh heh