This year it is not rich vrs poor, it is not conservative against liberal

[Cheswick2.0]

This year it is about smart and dumb. Smart people who are involved and informed will vote for Kerry. Dumb people who think cable TV is the ultimate in information and honesty, those who think Saddam and 9-11 were connected, who listen to OxyRush will vote for Bush.

[acmavm]

1. It's about reality v. delusion. It's about integrity v. moral bankruptcy.

It's about honest v. criminal behavior. It's about humanity v. racist bigotry. It's about war crimes v. legitimate force and detention. It's about lies v. truth. It's about compassion v. cold hearted greed.

It's pretty much about the soul of our country v. those that would like to sell it to the devil (excuse the religious imagery please).

[Unstuck In Time]

2. It's about people who cherish America's ideals...

... versus people who are simply unconcerned about the steady assault on all this country stands for by the radicals in the Bush administration.

[ClassWarrior]

12. But those on the right believe...

...it's about people who cherish America's ideals versus people who are simply unconcerned about the steady assault on all this country stands for by the liberals in the Democratic Party.

It's one thing to spout generalized platitudes, and it's another thing entirely to frame ideals and values and morals from our perspective. We need to learn how to do that.

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[Unstuck In Time]

22. No shit. n/t

[Inland]

3. Its about fact vs. faith

Its not just that Bush is wrong on the facts. Its that he doesn't care, that all that matters is a resolute faith. Same with his supporters. Bush and supporters are medieval in their outlook, pre-Enlightenment, pre-Scientific Revolution.

[LiberalEsto]

4. Freedom vs. fascism. n/t

[tokenlib]

5. Class warfare is an large element...

There is a big picture argument that Bush has chosen the rich, the powerful, the corporations over struggling working people.

Bush's policies are very much directed towards social darwinism and against an activist governent that provides a safety net for the less fortunate.

So in the end I really do believe it is class warfare. Even though our party leaders and candidates know they cannot blatently acknowledge it.

[ClassWarrior]

8. It SHOULD BE class warfare, but it's not.

It's VALUES warfare - or at least the RepubliCON party's distorted version of that.

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[Cheswick2.0]

16. but the smart conservatives are not for bush...they know that the economy

is shot and not going to get better. They don't beleive in this Iraq war. They don't think the money spent was worth it.
It is the partisan right wing and sadly, stupid democrats who believe he makes us safer who will vote for bush.

[Vincardog]

20. It is a class war aWols's "Ownership class" or the top 1% verses all the

rest of us. We have to take control of our government and sent the Fascists back to the dark places they hide.

[ClassWarrior]

6. Oh sure, that's the way to convince swing voters.

Call them idiots. <sarcasm off>

Why the fuck do you think blue collar people flock to the RepubliCONs in droves? Because they've painted us as elitist snobs. Get over yourself Einstein...

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[Cheswick2.0]

17. oh bullshit...... those people don't read my posts on DU

and I am sick of pandering to the ignorant. Anyone who thinks democrats are eletist snobs is willfully ignorant. We can't fight right wing spin by agreeing with it.

Get over youself Mr Appeasement.

[Mr_Spock]

7. Ignorant farm animals for Bush!!

That about summarizes it.

[seabeyond]

9. aware vs unaware n/t

[ConcernedNonpartisan]

10. Is there a "liberal" or a "conservative?

As you can see from the sign in, I don't consider myself either. Liberal or conservative.

There are many things considered "liberal" and others considered "conservative" that I fully support.

I would say that most of my "conservative" values lean toward the economic. I believe that a man (or woman) should have unlimited earning power, be able to keep as much of it as they can and use it for whatever purpose they desire (within legal limits). This doesn't relate to what has been stolen and, sadly, a lot of the wealth today is "stolen" through one type of fraud or another.

On the "liberal" side, there are MOST social issues. A woman's right to choose, a good minimum wage, equal pay for equal work (this relates to minorities as well as women), separation of church and state, State's rights, etc.. Plus many many more.

This election, I believe, will be the single most important event in this countries history since the ratification of the Constitution.

[JohnnyCougar]

19. Welcome to DU, ConcernedNonpartisan!!

I agree with your views...fiscal conservatism and liberal socially!

[oscar111]

11. Deprogramm Hate Radio victims fast: 30 points: good flyer too

{Got this email forward twice. I think it's good.. I added one of my points to it}
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  1. Hit bush's strengths:
-war leader
-racism {not mentioned in polls, but his biggest strength}
---WAR LEADER
- On 9/11, Bush was told "we are under attack."   He just sat in fear for 7 minutes. { While second-graders read My Pet Goat out loud.}.
- Bush can't even protect us from the flu - how's he going to stop terrorists? { fails as a manager}.
- {Bush attacks Kerry->}Deserter attacks wounded vet.
- Kerry bled, Bush fled
- Bush will draft
---RACISM - {racists fear competition for jobs from ethnics, so more jobs = less racism. So say this ->}
- "Bush lost a million jobs: Clinton added 22 million".
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2. Next, our strong points -
- economy
- healthcare
ECONOMY
- Wages lower than when Reaganomics began {adjusted for inflation}
- Wages fell $1,500 under Bush
- Bush lost a million jobs: Clinton added 22 million.
- Bush gives tax breaks for outsourcing {jobs to India}
- YOUR job can be sent to India.
- Job shortage is 13 million
- Education won't help, because not enough jobs exist.
- Bush cut cops, firefighters, vets - to give the rich $ 300 Billion.
- Bush cut cops, so high crime
- Bush cancelled overtime
- Kerry will lower middle class tax, raise tax on the over-$200,000 crowd. Shifts it off us.
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Hit " 9/11 to blame for the economy"
- Most jobs lost BEFORE   9/11.
- Stocks recovered from 9/11, then taxcuts-for-the-rich crippled the economy.
- Bush threw the economy in a hole, and we haven't climbed out YET ! Clinton, it grew from day 1. ================
Hit "Reaganomics taxcuts will spark the economy" {The Reaganomics lie is their greatest strength. "WORK HARD" to end it.}. - Wages lower than when Reaganomics began. {1980}
- Wages fell $ 1,500 under Bush.
- Bush lost a million jobs
- Reaganomics cripples the economy
- Housewives must now work, because of Reaganomics. { 1980 ended most housewives}
- Bush cut cops, firefighters, vets - to give $300 Billion to the rich.
- Reaganomics cut asylums in half, now crime is everywhere.
- 1/3 bridges need repair, potholes are everywhere.
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WHY REAGANOMICS FAILED:
- GDP rise never trickles down to you - why would the rich ever want to give you free money? They spend $2 million on birthday parties. {Kozlowski}.
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Our way to spark the economy is to spark the PRODUCERS - the middle class:
- by cheaper doctors, cheaper college, end ripoffs by ending deregulation, by adding more jobs, by shifting taxes to the over-$200,000 crowd.
- sparking the middle class by making it healthy, educated, free of ripoffs, always employed, and shifting taxes off of it.
- 1952 was the year with a tax structure the most free of Reaganomics. It was a time of prosperity.
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HEALTHCARE - 20 nations outlive us: all have nationalized healthcare: all cheaper.
- The US has rationing. Ration cards are green. Green dollar bills.
- World Health Organization rated our health system quality at # 37.
- Our population's health is # 72. {yes, seventy second !} THE WORLD
HEALTH REPORT - 2000.
-We pay more/person than anyone on earth.
- Bush ignored August warnings on flushots, but England acted - got 7 sources.
- Bush wants to destroy Medicare and social security.
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GOOD WEBSITES:
http://www.democrats.org
http://www.airamericaradio.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com great forums
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Copy freely, no copywrite. "California" Mary arrdvark sorority 82 chi'go
 M  #0    Wages up $7,000 under Clinton- down $1,500 Bush oscar111  Oct-23-04 05:44 PM  #1       Summary of ZINGERS for debaters, phone bankers oscar111  Oct-23-04 06:01 PM  #2          "stocks lost a thousand, wages down fifteen hundred, a million jobs lost" oscar111  Oct-23-04 08:00

[ClassWarrior]

13. They listen to hate radio. Do you think they're going to read...

...30 well-reasoned, factual points on a flyer?? We need to create broad frames that will resonate with these folks, not lecture them.

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[Iris]

21. Do you think they CAN read? n/t

[demokatgurrl]

14. Stupid vs. lucid?? n/t

[Cha]

15. When I read your caption..I finished it up

like you did before I clicked over!

I told someone yesterday..a dear lady in the co-op that they were voting for an idiot and "what does that make them?"

[hippiechick]

18. Macho swagger vs. thoughtful intelligence

Bush has definitely tried to solidify to the 'dumb jock' base with his John Wayne persona. Too bad they don't realize that John Wayne Gacy is closer to the truth.


:hippie:

[bushwakker]

23. rational vs ir-rational. facts vs fiction. knowledge vs belief.