Mathews panel declaring Kerry victory?

[goodwalt]

Just finished watching Mathew's Sunday show, and while no one flatly declared that Kerry was going to win, that was the clear impression I got from their commentary. H. Fineman said that the Kerry campaign people were "pumped", and that the *'s people were "worried". All four panelists acknowledged that the new voter registration was unprecedented in scale, and even that bitch Andrea Mitchell acknowledged that the majority of those would be breaking for Kerry. In predicting/back seat driving the next week for the campaigns- the consensus was that * would and should keep hitting the national panic button, while Kerry could/should just go positive and appear presidential to coast to victory.
Did I see the same show as everybody else? It sounded to me like they sounded *'s death knell today.

[Clinton Crusader]

1. Pretty much except they gave this week a TIE, when..

the four previous weeks were Kerry. Didnt like that much this close to the election. Andrea Mitchell is such a gop hack, I cant stomach her.

:kick:

[helpisontheway]

2. They could not stand to

give to Kerry another week. I remember last week Matthews basically said it was getting to predictable and that he hope for some variation this week. Something like that...

[BeatleBoot]

3. Saw it, too..

I'm beginning to think that we have the big mo' !!!!

9 days - keep working...

[serryjw]

6. I said JK 320 EV

It will be BIG. When was an incumbent re-elected in a CLOSE race? It is aways a landslide one way or the other.Even THEY admit that WE registered MORE new and disenfranchised. P.DIDDY can easily bring a Million young people.

Human nature is such that they DON"T get excited about voting FOR someone( we don't have statesman....We get ONE CLINTON in our life!).....they get excited about VOTING AGAINST someone.I still believe that a small/well informed might be Voting for Kerry..They lion share are voting AGAINST Bushit & Co

EARLY voting has to tell you there is a VERY angry populous out there. They think it is NOT PC to admit economics/jobs are their #1 issue, BUT we are the labor party......and many people have not labored for way to long.

I say this every week....there are NO JOBS in my Sunday Denver Post!

[tedoll78]

23. And, believe it or not, don't forget the STERN vote.

Howard's gonna be hitting the Chimp HARD in the coming week. That'll be sure to bring-out some of the Ventura-type voters. Especially in key states.. :D

I've never really listened to Stern that much.. but.. baba-booey!

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

38. Hell yes

Excellent point.

[donco6]

36. No jobs? But the economy is coming back! . . .

. . . didn't you hear?

It's all such a load of bush*t.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Judy Woodruff was on Air Force One the other day

and she was talking to the WH press corps and one of them (can't remember which one it was) said that behind closed doors the Chimp's campaign is VERY worried. My jaw dropped when they said that because NO ONE ever tells what happens behind the chimp's closed doors. That particular journalist has probably been banned from AF One now, but it was nice to hear they're worried and the sacrifice was worth it! Their inside polls must reflect the same results as the Kerry inside polls. The chimp is toast!

I think the media is finally seeing the writing on the wall. It's about damn time. They're probably pissed as hell that their non-stop Bush shilling did absolutely NO GOOD. :evilgrin:

[Mountainman]

7. They are losing a lot of creditability shilling for idiot in cheif

By this time they can not effect the outcome. Fuckhead is done, stick a fork in him.

[goodwalt]

11. Also heard Ed Gillespe

this morning trying to spin *'s 20 day absence from Ohio. He can spin all day if he likes, but actions speak so much louder. The ONLY reason for him to stop stumping there is that their internals show it as a lost cause.

[dmayo]

5. I think Kerry is about to pull away and

when he does, I will feel a bigger sense of patriotism than I ever have before. So many people coming together to defeat something so bad for the country and the world.

[sundancekid]

8. it's our own bloodless revolution ... same feeling here ... welcome to DU

[derbstyron]

12. feeling in the air

I agree that thinks are starting to look good for us. You can always tell the way that a campaign is going by the way they are acting. Kerry/Edwards are obviously confident while the Bush campaign is starting to get the aura of desperation.
I think we will see things starting to open up Kerry's way in the next few days (e.g. the polls).
Even the shrub knows he's going down.

I vote republican! Why (pick one) I'm
- sexist
- facist
- homophobic
- a bigot
- insane
- a chickenhawk
- hypocrite
- fundamentalist wacko

God I have a disdain for republicans

[newyawker99]

17. Hi derbstyron!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sandnsea]

18. You forgot one

greedy bloodsucker

Just saying.

[derbstyron]

19. how stupid

How could I have forgotten:

- corporate whore.

thanks.

[DuaneBidoux]

22. Not all are that way...most did not used to be that way

Something started happening about the time of Reagan. An ugliness began to creep into the party that had never been there before. Nixon was a crook, but he would be considered a liberal by Republican standards today: he presided over opening relations with "red" China, and the creation of the EPA. Eisenhower, don't forget, was a big part of the creation of the modern Interstate road system - it helped make the country modern. Theodore Roosevelt was the trust buster, the Republican president who helped create anti-trust laws to bust up the Oligopolies and Monopolies.

If Chimp loses I predict a major crisis in the Republican party, as the reasonable people who have been going along for the ride but getting ever more worried begin to ask where they belong, what they can do, and where they should go.

[sandnsea]

24. Reaganism

It's true, he really started the up is down, black is white world. We're fighting the terrorists that were created in his defeat the already defeated "bear" proxy-wars. We're suffering from his military deficits and nuclear proliferation. Not to mention a whole generation who have been brainwashed to believe working people don't deserve to live decently but business owners and CEO's and stockholders do. But Nixon was a Bush protege too, the Bush's have been behind the scenes players for decades. The oil boys in Texas even got Eisenhower to run as a Republican. I'll never trust the Republican Party, not ever.

[derbstyron]

25. true

there are some good ones. You know a republican I admire. Don't gasp...but Jack Kemp.

I know...his economic policies(he's a Reagan/supply-side fan; an argument I have never been convinced of) are somewhat whacked but he is a STRONG believer in the need to rebuild the inner cities and bringing economic development to the disenfranchised. If if weren't for Kemp during the Reagan years a kind word wouldn't have been uttered about minorities

I am such a believer in Kemp I considered (for a moment) voting for Dole when he ran as veep. Gosh, can I say that here?

All generalities (in reference to my list) should be, of course, taken with a grain of salt. There are wackos in both parties. But the repubs have tilted so far to the right, and spout so much hypocritical moralizing, that it has begun to border on the senseless.

[sandnsea]

39. They "say" alot of things

It's in the "doing" that it gets all screwed up. There will be people who will think Gordon Smith, my R Senator, is a great guy because he's promoting suicide prevention for teens. Well sure, now that HIS kid committed suicide. Before that, his youth legislation always leaned towards locking them up. It's like that woman in the C-Span focus group, if it was HER kid who was a hostage, she'd want Kerry because he wouldn't be so likely to play Rambo and screw it up. Well, gee, why can't she apply that logic to EVERYBODY'S kids. That's what I hate about Republicans and it seems to be the same, time and again. I don't know why Jack Kemp cares about inner cities, maybe he's got a relative married to a minority, or maybe he saw alot wherever he played football. And it's also whether what he proposes would really work, or whether it's like NCLB, just an underhanded attempt to shut the schools and privatize education. I just don't trust any of them anymore. Gordon Smith's suicide tears on the Senate floor was the last straw for me.

[derbstyron]

41. but someone must be good.

sigh....I know. But they can't all be bad, can they. I mean, don't get me wrong: I do detest republicans - look at my list. But certainly there must be one's that are worth admiring.

That's why I focused on Kemp. He seems genuine, real. But note, I said "considered" voting for him and Dole. I didn't. Besides: I was in my Clinton's immoral funk then.

But I do agree. The vast majority of hypocrites are the repubs. I mean, these are the folks that discovered that low-class, drug addicts just need our love too....after scumbag, SOB Limbaugh admitted to being just another "dirt-bag doper".

God, I detest republicans!

[sandnsea]

43. Well, like I said

Gordon Smith was my last "he's a good guy" Republican. I even said nice things about him to a Republican friend last election, although I didn't vote for him.

I lived in Montana when Marc Racicot was Governor too. He seemed like a nice enough guy then too. Look at him now.

Nope, I don't trust a one of them and never will again.

[DuaneBidoux]

47. But you see, I think that is just what happens when one group has

power for so long. Clinton was there, but face it, the power brokers shaping this country have been Republicans for 3 decades now. I'm not sure that if the Dems hadn't been controlling things for 3 straight decades it would be any different. They would have become corrupt, winning at any cost, believing they somehow have a natural right to power. Humans are humans. We've had to count on a system of checks and balances and the system is becoming seriously imbalanced. That is how the worst in human nature (and we all have that side) is allowed to come forth.

[sandnsea]

48. Oh yeah

The years between the 1930's and 1970's were just horrible for the average working American. No progress on labor, civil rights, womens rights, safety, environment, poverty; none at all. :eyes: Johnson screwed up royally when he escalated Vietnam instead of looking towards the ME and upheaval going on there. If we hadn't had the energy crisis of the 70's, Dems would still be in control today. And we'd be in a helluva lot better shape. Sorry, Dems care about people, Reps don't and honestly never have. I used to think there were a few who did, but like I've said, after Smith, Racicot, McCain and others; no more.

Reaganism. Did I say it was all a lie? ALL of it.

[DuaneBidoux]

57. I'm assuming that first sentence is complete satire.

from the 30s through the 70s US moved from a third world country into a superpower with a strong middle class. ALL under the Dems. Again, I assume sarcasm here.

[DuaneBidoux]

46. I used to at one point admire Collen Powell (sp?)

I was even fantasizing at one point that he would resign from Shrubs administration and make a major mea-culpa of how he had been taken in by the NeoCons, etc. But alas, I think his soul is now bought and paid for, and he ain't comin' back.

[sandnsea]

49. There you go

Once they go over, nothing ever pulls them back. Whether they're being blackmailed or what, I don't know. But you just can't trust them to put the country over the Republican Party. They just never do.

[Spiffarino]

54. I used to admire John McCain

I even contributed money to his campaign against the Shrub. Once he kissed Bush's ring, it was all over for me. He became the lowest of the low.

[DuaneBidoux]

45. Yea' and it may be that you just hit upon the one character flaw

(or difference) between us. Empathy. They simply have no empathy.

[charlyvi]

53. I always admired Everett Dirkson....

Repub Senator from Illinois during the Johnson administration. He and LBJ would have world class arguments on the Senate floor when LBJ was a Senator, then go have lunch. He would rant against LBJ's spending policies in the Senate, then go up to the White House and visit him. Maybe those days can come back again--partisanship for the sake of the country, not special interest groups and religious fundamentalists.

[Fla Dem]

42. Wasn't that just about the time RW talk radio became more invasive ?

While a lot of Republican didn't like him personally,I think once Nixon had to resign from office they began to carry a grudge. It wasn't just tough politicking after that, it was nasty. They eviscerated Jimmy Carter (although truth be told he wasn't that good at being President), and then Reagan got in, then Bush '41 with some the of same people in their administration as are in Bush '43's. RW talk radio really became very wide spread during that period, and IMHO has had a lot to do with the demonization of anything Democrat or liberal.

[Virginian]

52. Buchanan agrees with you.

He was on one of the Sunday morning shows today saying the neo-cons are toast in the Republican party.

I hate it when I agree with Pat Buchanan, don't you?

[Arugula Latte]

30. Welcome to DU!

I like the way you think! :toast: :hi:

[DeepModem Mom]

33. Welcome to DU, derbstyron!

[sallyseven]

13. I use to like Andrea Mitchel. i cannot tolerate that bitch

Katty kay she should just shut her damn mouth. Howard fineman is a big jerk.

[goodwalt]

14. That is what I found so significant

Andrew Sullivan? Andrea Mitchell? These are veteran repug whores. To me, it looked like rats scurrying off of the deck of the Titanic.

[Kurovski]

27. Andrea mitchell...

I don't know what she said, and I haven't watched cable news for six weeks, but prior to that I thought I had detected a shift in her attitude.

My hunch is she's not voting Bush. At times she even seemed somewhat irked when reporting Bush stupidity. (Irked over the stupidity, not having to report it.)

[newyawker99]

16. Hi dmayo!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Hello_Kitty]

20. Welcome to DU!

And I agree with your post. Maybe my fellow Americans (slightly more than half anyway) aren't going to let me down after all! :hi:

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Welcome to DU, dmayo -- I've thought the same thing many times...

so many good people, in so many different ways, working together to rid our country (and the world) of the illegitimate Bush cabal --

[donco6]

37. I agree with you.

and welcome to DU.

[joanne]

51. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[UrbScotty]

56. Remember - the 1980 race was close until the last week.

People weren't easy about Jimmy Carter, but they knew little about Ronald Reagan.

[Cha]

9. So they thought it was in * best interests to

"hit the National Panic Button"? That's just Ducky!

"It's A Jungle Out There...Beware!"

Have you seen this thread..hysterical!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
az=view_all&address=132x1151901


That little freak is going to cry "WOLF" one too many times one of these days!

[blue sky at night]

10. dont want to sound redundent, but let me hear ya say yaaaaaa!

Wow! it is looking good from out here in OH. Glad to hear from those who can watch the Sunday Shows, I am always busy. Going out to canvass right now. Not going to let up one bit......and how much do you think the 4x8 B/C signs will be going for on E-bay???

[Loki]

15. On November 2nd

We decide - may I suggest that Mr. Bush start packing his bags, because our long national nightmare will be over.

[hippiechick]

21. I personally don't want the Bush people 'worried' ...

A cornered animal is a dangerous animal.

I'd prefer to let them be smug until it's over so they're less likely to pull some bogus scary terra shit to steal the election or intimidate voters, or ... or ... or ...


:hippie:

[goodwalt]

28. Unavoidable I'm afraid...

the general public gets to wade through political spin and a host of poll numbers- some legitimate, some nonsense, and it is often hard to tell the difference. You can bet your ass that the campaigns themselves, ESPECIALLY the one being run out of the White house, have very accurate, scientifically modeled polling to direct their activities.

[Lerkfish]

40. unfortunately after Nov. 2, they'll change from cornered to spiteful...

still not a good thing. I predict if Bush loses, he'll try to get us involved in at least one if not two hopeless military actions in order to shortsheet Kerry's bed.

[Julien Sorel]

26. A month ago Matthews said the election was over,

and Kerry was finished, and a week ago Gaunt Judy was waving cherry-picked polls in the faces of her Democratic "guests" and badgering them about why Kerry sucks.

These people do absolutely nothing but stand around with their fingers in the air, and then tell you which way the wind is blowing (and exaggerate its strength) when you already knew it. It's too early to get so overconfident -- "worried" is not gloomy. When these fuckwads are gloomy, then you'll know they're cooked.

[goodwalt]

29. Be that as it may, no supposedly

"legitimate" political pundit (I am thereby excluding Coulter and her ilk) wants to look like a fool. The RATS are JUMPING SHIP! Keep your poll numbers and whether or not the staff seems "gloomy"- the rat exodous is the best indicator of an impending Kerry landslide that I have seen yet.

[lessthanjake]

31. Yeah kerry will win

All he has to do is win either iowa or wisconsin while keeping new mexico.

[DeepModem Mom]

34. Thanks for your analysis, lessthanjake, and welcome to DU!

[secular_warrior]

35. What is Andrea Mitchell's purpose ?

All she ever does is parrot the beltway conventional wisdom (which is shaped largely by the conservative echo chamber). She never has anything interesting or insightful to say. Why is she even on these shows ? I guess being Mrs. Alan Greenspan goes a long way.

[Pithy Cherub]

44. Andrea's purpose

is to be an anchorweight on falling media credibility so that it can't or won't soar to new heights of respectablity. She is a crass bottom feeder with the analytical skills of a pod person imitating thinking!

[deadparrot]

50. Always a good sign, but let's keep fighting like we're down

five points. Now isn't the time for complacency.

[SoCalDemocrat]

55. Laura Bush said George is resigned to losing

I forget the exact quote, but something to the effect that George has made peace with the idea of losing to Kerry.

[Riverman]

58. Greenspan

Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan (I'll shill for any President) Greenspan. When Bush is defeated he loses his job and hopefully so does she!