Dubya's IQ higher than Kerry's? WTF??

[sgtyellerdawg]

Sorry if this has been previously posted but...according to an article in the NYT:

<snip>

"...the young George W. Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential I.Q.'s. During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr. Bush's SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points lower than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a comparison of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are not formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

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:wtf:

Then I must be a mensa genius if Bush has an IQ in the mid 120s...

[requiem99]

1. This has been posted, and the 'study' was by a conservative.

I'll repeat what i said earlier: Anyone who sees both men speak for 5 minutes knows which one should be president and which one should be bagging your groceries.

[Kierkegaard]

22. Oh, that is priceless!

Can't you just see Chump bagging groceries? "Paper or, um... hmmm... paper orrrr... can't get fooled again!"

[arewenotdemo]

30. lol...was the chump-in-chief a Who fan?

[Kierkegaard]

34. Yeah, The one Horton heard. n/t

[snowbear]

2. bullcrap

I got as far as this line ..."That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist"..

..and quit reading the b.s..

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. yeah, and Bush is a foot taller than Kerry too

bet you didnt' know that! :eyes:

[sgtyellerdawg]

16. I know it is bunk...

and you know it is bunk...but it was in my hometown paper today and the dumbasses here in Memphis will read it and take it as the friggin' gospel... I am so sick of the SCLM posting crap like this and all that Mary Cheney mess while skirting, dodging, and ignoring the lies that spew like lava from the WH. One of the instances of Cheney lying during the VP debate (the never met Edwards thing) was called a "blooper" by the press. Blooper my ass...

:spank:

[southern democrat]

4. Yeah right and walking on the moon tommorow, GMAFB!

[TwilightZone]

5. SAT does not equal IQ.

And, I doubt Bush scored 1206 on the SAT unless he paid someone else to take it for him.

BTW, do you have a link for this article?

[sgtyellerdawg]

19. NYT Link

Here is the link:


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html

[TwilightZone]

31. Thanks!

n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

50. If you scroll down, you will also learn that your vote doesn't matter.

[IChing]

21. 1206 yes

after they counted it 4 times

[specter]

6. LOL

That was before the coke and alocohol rotted his brain cells now its around 50

[flowomo]

7. send this to The Museum of Totally Irrelevant Bullshit......

[hippiechick]

8. He probably got someone to take the test for him ...

:evilfrown:


:hippie:

[BootinUp]

9. Before Bush killed half his braincells

with alcohol and drugs he was a little above average. Whooppee doo!

Besides, Bush's image as a dumbo isn't about to be resucitated in 8 days.

:shrug:

[IChing]

10. IQ yours for posting this or

Let's see
Kerry is fluent in english, french, hebrew
also speaks spainish.

smirky is fluent in ........................
also speaks english

[The Doctor.]

LOL!!!

number one) If Bush the dyslexic scored 1206 on his SAT's without help or cheating I still wouldn't believe it!

I looked into this a while back and found that 1200 is the MINIMUM SAT score to attend Yale.

how convenient is that?

Number two) SAT's are no indication of IQ

My SAT score was 1211, but my IQ tests @ 145 - no real correlation.

This 'Reporter' is a schill.

[spooky3]

13. legacies do not have to meet stated minima--exceptions are made

[The Doctor.]

20. Yes, but I'm sure it's also an image issue...

especially if the elder Bush considered Grooming the boy one day.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Idiocy Quotient?

:)

[spooky3]

12. 1) I'd have to see the paperwork, not someone's report of it

I'm always amazed at people's willingness to believe a self-report of a standardized test score.

2) I'd have to be convinced that * took the test himself rather than arrange for someone else to do it for him, which he clearly had the means to arrange way back then, and security/identity checks were much more casual

3) he MAY have been that bright back then, but drug and alcohol abuse may have taken a toll since then

[0rganism]

14. Look, it's probably bullshit, but even if it isn't...

...there's been an awful lot of cocaine and alcohol working overtime on bush's IQ since 1970.

He may have been a very smart kid at one time, but he's lost it along the way to becoming a born-again powermonger. All that remains is a sort of basic animal cunning, an instinct for political gamesmanship, and a howdy-doody attitude that disarms his critics.

[daydreamer]

15. Bush is a lot smarter

Bush might have been a C student, but he is obviously a lot smarter. He managed to avoid the Vietnam War. Now he is only sending other people's kids to die. The dumbass Kerry went to the front line but got smacked for still carrying a shrapnel in his body today. Go figure.

[Champion Jack]

17. 12 posts huh?

[sgtyellerdawg]

27. 12 posts?? Why, yes...

Yep. Only 12. Does that make me any less a democrat or just someone who does not "kick" posts all day or post "done" when we DU a poll?? I spend about 60 hours a week on a PC working and for the most part like to just read the DU but as we are in the final stretch I have enjoyed posting a little here and there. Forgive me for not being as productive as you or others who are in the 1000's...

:crazy:

[hippiechick]

32. And your point is what ?

Just because this person posted something that didn't conform to the "Kerry is God" meme, they must be a troll ?

Get over yourself, son ! :freak:



:hippie:

[humanbeing]

36. stop this post-counting McCarthyism right now .

It's idiotic!

[mzmolly]

18. WTF!?

And ... Falafel!:hurts:

[hyphenate]

23. It really doesn't matter

It's not what your IQ is, but what you do with what you've got. And Bush has certainly not done much with his, except abuse it with drugs and alcohol.

[Libby2]

24. Yeah right

and I'm Santa Claus.

I don't believe it for one minute.

[cally]

25. If he has more natural ability and chooses to not use

it, then it makes him less admirable. * never reads or questions, relies on idealogy, and refuses to use his intellect. He may have an IQ larger than Kerry but he is much less intelligent. I've never believed IQ is all that meaningful. What matters is how what you do in your life and how important learning is to you.

[TexasSissy]

26. IQ can't be discerned from SAT scores. This is someone trying

to combat the perception that Bush is stupid. Whether Bush is stupid or not in reality, the fact is that he acts stupid, makes uninformed decisions, cannot seem to think in complex terms, and he says stupid things over and over again. His behavior and thinking, therefore, reflects a stupid person. Whether he has enough brain cells to score high on an IQ test becomes irrelevant, then.

But having said that, there is no evidence that IQ can be discerned by SAT or other test scores, except IQ tests.

[HawkerHurricane]

28. Sure, maybe in the early 70's...

But decades of cocaine, alchohol and other substances have taken thier toll...
Is it just me, or does Bush sound like a old Drunk gone straight too late?

[ZombieNixon]

29. This is bullshit

I doubt Shrub got a 1206 on his SAT. Even if he did, my 1410 kicks his 1206's ass. Bottom line, Bush is an idiot.

Anyway, I though the SATs were scored in multiples of 10.

[Philosophy]

33. Wait a sec...aren't SAT scores always divisible by 10?

At least they were when I took mine 15 years ago.

[Philosophy]

37. I see they changed this in 1970

Since 1970 they round the score to the nearest multiple of 10. I just looked it up myself.

[Alleycat]

35. Well...

he musta fried it with all the drugs and alcohol cause he comes across dumb as dirt now!!!

[sundancekid]

38. another hail mary (pun intented) pass in the "when pigs fly" contest?

GMAFB ... complete trash ... Sailer should be hoisted on his own petard -- "extrapolation" my a$$ -- researchers believe in validity and reliability, and Sailer pinches stuff out of that same, aforementioned a$$ ... typical fuzzy math stuff ...
:puke:

[Burma Jones]

39. Maybe Years of Drinking and Cocaine turned the Chimp

into the imbecile we all cherish so........

[goddess40]

42. I agree with you

The article says the younger bush, it doesn't say about the present bush

[seabeyond]

40. my brother has iq 160 something, and a drunk

just like bush. not saying bush is that high by any means or anything about kerry iq cause i think the conclusion is they dont have factual info on kerry is all guess, but as i say, brother has an iq way up there with bush character. does nothing for my brother in hte good, he uses his iq to get what he wants in the easiest, not moralistic ways he can. and he has a life of hell.

so not impressed either way.

[leftofthedial]

41. this is pretty much all lies

form apartisan liar

[Zorra]

43. "I hate Bu$h as much as anybody, but.....". Bwaaaahaaaahaaaahaaa.

Freepers are getting soooo desperate. I hear the sound of freeper heads exploding in the distance.

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. Kerry: This is your brain. Bush: This is your brain on drugs.

[spooky3]

47. lol!

[MoonRiver]

45. Lol!

[Gman]

46. Everyone knows Bush is dumber than dirt

dumber than a bag of hammers.

Pay this no mind. Its only a desparate attempt to make Bush look good. The problem for the RW is that then, he opens his mouth.

[bushwakker]

48. Idiot savant - minus the savant part

[Shadow30]

49. Oh please the fact that Kerry can say his own name right

....means he's smarter than Bush.Bush is so damn stupid he needs a white house aid to remind him to breath!

[LuminousX]

51. Doesn't matter one way or another

It isn't the size of the IQ, but how you choose to use it.

[sleepyhead]

52. I think they left out a decimal point. n/t

[Lisa]

53. so if we give Sailer the benefit of the doubt ...

Bush supporters would have to be flip-floppers to use this argument again! If, the first time around, they decided that Al Gore's higher IQ didn't matter -- they'd have to do some pretty nifty mental gymnastics to argue that it DOES matter now!

[tomfodw]

54. Not anymore

End of story.