Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Iowa Predictions Thread

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:02 PM
Original message
Iowa Predictions Thread
Two questions, ranking the "Big Four" in Iowa only (Dean, Edwards, Gephardt, Kerry):

1) What order are you rooting for?

2) What order do you think will actually, ultimately shake out at the end of the day (i.e. not the first straw poll, but after all of the movement and reassignment of the people below 15%)?

My answers:

1) Gephardt, Kerry, Dean, Edwards

2) Gephardt, Dean, Kerry, Edwards

DTH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. Kerry, Gephardt, Edwards, Dean
I'm a little unsure about whether to put Gep or Edwards second, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Gephart
No offense to Geppy supprters but the Dean and Kerry people were much more fired up at their rallies. Geppy's rally was snoozeville.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
2. i'm going for the powerball on this one
1) 4 way tie
2) 4 way tie
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
4. Here's my prediction
1 - Order I'm rooting for. Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt

2 - I think it will be Dean (I'm betting his volunteers will make the difference and a lot of new Iowan's will turn up in the caucus), Kerry, Edwards & Gephardt in a near dead heat.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
5. Speaking from a pro-Clark
postion, I'd like to see a scenario that weakens Gov Dean slightly without significantly boosting Kerry or Edwards so I'd prefer to see:

Gephardt, Dean, Kerry, Edwards

What do I think will really happen?

I have no idea! It's Dean, Gephardt & Kerry in pretty much any order or so it seems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sir_Shrek Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
6. Not really rooting for an order....
but I think it'll come out: Gephardt, Dean, Kerry, Kucin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
7. My wishes and predictions
Wish:
Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt

Prediction:
Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. I think your wish will be what happens
Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt

However I'd be happy with any scenario that puts Dean in first or second place.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
8. my picks
My preference:
Dean, Edwards, Kerry, Gephardt

My prediction:
Dean (29%)
Edwards (21%)
Gephardt (20%)
Kerry (18%)

I think Dean will poll slightly better than the polls are showing. Iowa has a huge anti-war population and his three biggest opponents there all voted for the war. I think they will divide the vote of those Dems who agreed with the Iraqi Resolution. I cannot see how Dean will get much less than 30% of the vote in this heavily dovish Democratic constituency.

I think Edwards will be the surprise because of the generally positive campaign he is running--I think he will come in a close second edging out Gep.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
9. Edwards and Kucinich are virtually TIED in IA
Don't be so sure about that order just yet.

DK will finish in the top four. Expect an upset.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Where Did I Say I Was Sure? And I Would LOVE LOVE LOVE DK Placing
in the top 4.

:toast:

DTH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:35 PM
Original message
Yeah it's going to be crazy down there...
I only wish I could escape down to IA for this weekend (I'm in MN)-- but I've got some very big committments at home to take care of. :(.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
12. My prediction
I'm rooting for:
Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Gephardt

What I think will happen is:
Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
13. Dean,Kerry, Gephart, Edwards.
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:16 PM by Padraig18
Dean - 35
Kerry - 26
Gephart - 20
Edwards - 17
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. That's EXACTLY my call
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. I'm sorta trading on insider info.
Our internal poll numbers are UP. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Internal Polls Are Notorious for Being Skewed in the Poller's Favor (eom)
DTH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Zogby is notoriously inaccurate, too. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. I Totally Agree
I think Zogby is crap. SUSA has a better record than Zogby.

SUSA's polls, btw, have Clark kicking ass. :-)

DTH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Actually
When there are few undecideds, Zogby is extremely accurate. In Iowa unfortunately, a significant number of people are still undecided.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Exactly.
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 02:50 PM by Padraig18
Dean's internal polls are also more in-depth, and are gauging supporter strength, too. Our numbers are high, in terms of commitment (approx 20% better than Kerry's, the next-highest, according to our poll). :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
14. I'd rather react after the results
and what they may mean for the Clark camapign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
17. Polls
These polls seem to be changing by the hour. Are the media manipulating the polls and us? I want Dean to win and Kerry/Clark second/third, but I am not going to bet the farm on any outcome. I simply want the one who can beat Bush.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
18. Perot

in a stunning upset. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
20. My answers
Rooting for:

Kerry, Edwards, Gephardt, Dean

Actually:

Gephardt, Dean, Kerry, Edwards (Possibly Gep and Dean reversed.) (I could change my mind in an hour--the polls are shifting constantly it seems . . . I'm kinda getting excited, even though my candidate isn't in the mix! :-) )
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:36 PM
Response to Original message
22. prediction
Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards

although I suspect Edwards may not get 15%
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
23. 1) Dean, Kucinich, Kerry, Edwards
2) Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
25. Too Fluid At This Time.
I've watched the Iowa caucuses with great interest since the days of Edmund Muskie and I must say that I have never seen anything like what is going on this election cycle. Nothing.

John Kerry is steadily surging at the last minute in polls and in crowd sizes. This is nothing to sneeze at.

Gephardt is sinking, but still has a very, very strong organization which is perhaps the most critical factor in Iowa, unlike the other primary states. It's how Pat Robertson who had low popular polling numbers won the whole enchilada---with organization, not popularity.

Howard Dean is now wearing the wrath of the entire corporate media, especially CNN, GE (NBC & MSNBC) and Fox who waste no time in exaggerating and spinning stories against him. Dean is also now wearing the wrath of the DLC and generally the entire establishment. But, like Gephardt, Dean has powerfully put together an on-the-ground organization himself...perhaps even more effective. And the Deaniacs are dedicated and will show up regardless of the weather and will stick with their candidate through the entire process. This can not be downplayed in its importance in Iowa.

John Edwards will surprise a lot of people with a good showing, but I'm not so sure that he has the organization to get people to those caucuses and keep them there and keep them loyal throughout the caucus time.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
28. Dean, Edwards, Kerry, Gephart = wish.
Dean, Kerry, Gephart, Edwards = prediction.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:43 PM
Response to Original message
29. Dean then...
...Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:06 PM
Response to Original message
30. Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards
I have a hunch that the Iowan's who support Braun & Sharpton & Kucinich generally will go over Dean if their person doesn't make 15%.

The Lieberman people would go to Gep. but that is a small number since he decided to avoid Iowa.

The Clark supporters (that group will be larger than what has been reported, IMO) will be split as each goes over to the remaining candidate that he feels is weakest against Clark the rest of the way.

Some of this is intuition (28 years of experience) and some of this is based on what I have read over the last few weeks.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
31. My answers
1) Dean, Edwards, Kerry, Gephardt

2) Dean, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards (but it will be very close)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:29 PM
Response to Original message
32. Mine
1. Dean, Edwards, Kerry, Gephardt

2. Dean, Gephardt, Kerry Edwards
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:35 PM
Response to Original message
33. My prediction is that a lot of people are going to be very angry...
My prediction is that a lot of people are going to be very angry, regardless of who wins Iowa, and their anger will carry forward to New Hampshire and beyond.

I don't see how any of the candidates can call for, much less achieve, unity after all the smearing and manipulating that has gone on.

You just don't compare opposition to the war to support for terrorism and expect people to welcome you with flowers and dancing in the streets. They won't, and they won't vote either!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:35 PM
Response to Original message
34. Something different from NH
if dean doesn't win both, it'll almost be like the two races will cancel themselves out.

what I want & may realistically see: Dean by 3, Kucinich/Kerry/Gep Edwards (+15%)

What we'll probably see: Dean by 3, Gep, Kerry, Edwards (+15%), Kucinich
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 02:05 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC