Kerry's going to take my Gun!

[ranosgol]

I work in a Union shop and I woudl say of those who will actually vote the majority will vote for Bush. The ones I work with who are voting for Bush say thewy do not like him btu Kerry is going to take are guns.

It boggles my mind that they can't see past a sdingle issue and vote in their best interest.

I live in Indiana where Guns, God and Gays is evertyhing.

[lady raven]

1. It's the same in OK

But I can't see the logic in their argument. Truly. If they're not violent, mentally ill felons, what the heck are they worried about?

[BayStateBoy]

23. I am a gun owner. I think NRA=National Republican Assholes

[Liberal Veteran]

2. It's scary that people that stupid are allowed to own guns.

:eyes:

[smirkymonkey]

13. You beat me to it!

:scared:

[JohnnyCougar]

3. That's nonsense

Kerry won't take anyone's guns. Kerry is a hunter himself. Unless you have na AK-47, Kerry won't take your gun.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Arkansans know Kerry is a hunter

and aren't buying that line about 'taking the guns away'.

[Spinzonner]

5. I think that would consitiute sexual mutilation ...

"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun."

[seabeyond]

6. i will stand up for your right to arms, as i do the womans right to

abortion.

my brother says that. dems want to take my guns. i tell him, this dem will be standing right beside you to protect your right to own guns, and the womans right to abortion, and the gays right to all the advantages of hetero unions, ect ect.........

[zbird]

7. ... and he's going to close 58 million acres of land -- your land!

NRA strikes again! This is in re closing the National Parks to snowmobiles and reinstituting the Clinton-era road construction ban in the parks. The NRA is bitching that by not having roads into the parks, hunters will not have access to the wonderful hunting lands. Of course, you and I know that there is no hunting ban involved here. If the hunters want to hunt, they can... they just have to get there by horseback or hiking into the areas. Not a great hardship if you are a "real hunter". NRA seems to think that if you can't drive your pick-em-up truck into the park, jump out, bag an animal and then jump back into the truck and drive home, that just isn't fair. Bunch of horseshit scare tactics.

[montana500]

8. please

provide me a link to this GARBAGE


"NRA strikes again! This is in re closing the National Parks to snowmobiles and reinstituting the Clinton-era road construction ban in the parks. The NRA is bitching that by not having roads into the parks, hunters will not have access to the wonderful hunting lands. Of course, you and I know that there is no hunting ban involved here. If the hunters want to hunt, they can... they just have to get there by horseback or hiking into the areas. Not a great hardship if you are a "real hunter". NRA seems to think that if you can't drive your pick-em-up truck into the park, jump out, bag an animal and then jump back into the truck and drive home, that just isn't fair. Bunch of horseshit scare tactics."

[zbird]

9. The 58 million acres was from a mailing I got from the RNC.

The rest, about the road construction ban comes, in part, from this article.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04193/344806.stm

I had done some looking around after my husband and son came back from the archery shop, and my son (a Kerry supporter at age 9) told me about the signs all over the shop about Kerry taking away millions of acres of hunting land. I found the above article which contains the following:

Also fueling the anger in Spokane -- and injecting presidential politics into the argument -- was Robinson's assertion that hunters are being denied access to 26 million acres because of a Clinton-era policy that limits road construction on federal land.

snip

In Spokane, many of the outdoor writers said they disputed Robinson's statement that roadless areas are closed to hunters. In fact, roadless areas are open to hunting and fishing, if sportsmen are willing to get out of their cars and ply these areas on foot or horseback.

The best hunting and fishing in Idaho and Oregon -- as measured by the size and number of big game taken and fish caught -- occur in roadless areas, according to two new studies by Trout Unlimited, a conservation group. The studies were presented at the convention.

snip

The NRA wants to make access by car to hunting areas a priority, said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the NRA. He added that Robinson's major complaint about roadless areas is that they limit "mainstream hunter access to valuable hunting land.

"You are talking about people having to hire hunting guides, which is a financial burden, or you are talking about trekking," Arulanandam said. "It would take exceptionally long to hunt, and what about disabled hunters?"

The NRA's insistence on drive-close hunting has, itself, generated considerable heat among outdoor writers. An editorial last month in the Lewiston (Idaho) Tribune said that "most of the legions of people insisting on a driveway right" to hunt "simply have more invested in their beer bellies than their boots."

[The Wielding Truth]

16. Great article- all hunters should read

[montana500]

22. this just proves the NRA

is maybe the dumbest fucking organization in the world.

They need to stick to gun rights issues and leave the conservation issues ot people who know what the hell they are talking about.

I dont know ANY big game outfitter who wants to get rid of the last 58 million acres of roadless areas. They NEED them to keep their businesses alive, lol!!!

These areas provide adventure style hunting trips for big game such as elk, mule deer, moose, bighorn sheep, black bear, cougar, mountains goat,etc.

These animals largely depend on roadless areas. Most of the national forests (where roadless areas are contained) are already roaded and trailed, with around 400,000 miles of roads.

building new roads through the last few ild areas would in effect DESTROY the habitat quality and the hunting quality so craved by hunters and so cherished by game game outfitters for their livelyhood.

The same applies to fishing.

the NRA is the biggest bunsh of idiotic knee jerm emotionally reactionairies for this.

Their stupidity is overwhelming.

Either they are the dumbest assholes inthe universe, or the resource extraction and ATV industry are behind this huge gaffe.

WOW.

Tell anyone who reads that bullshit a few things:

1.the 58 million acre plan was developed by a HUNTER and a fly fisherman.

2.hunting and fishing is allowed in ALL national forests, and ALL roadless areas. There are no extra fees. You are free to camp where you wish.

3. those 58 million acres provie the best hunting and fishing habitat in the nation. If they werent there, likely the only thing we would have a choice in hunting is white tail deer and bunnies in tame woodlots.

4. roadless areas actually bring in more money to local economies.


5. send them to TU.orgs homepage to read the PDF reports on Oregon and Idaho's roadless hunting reports:

http://tu.org/index.asp



I hate these fucking lies!




Please post the RNC email if you can.

[Lindacooks]

10. Gee, he's going to march right up and take their guns??

They must be very important people for the President of the United States to personally take their guns away!

</sarcasm>

How damn dumb can these people be?

[Mz Pip]

11. Clinton didn't take their guns

Why should Kerry? Honestly, the way things are going I'd be more concerned about the Repugs taking away the guns than the Dems.

MzPip
:dem:

[Jacobin]

12. This is what I tell them:

"Yes, Kerry is going to take ALL of our guns and he's going to give them to the terrorists and then let them all in the country, and then give up and turn the country into an islamic fundamentalist state and all xtians and jews will have to convert or die, and Kerry has been promised a lot of money by Osama to let this happen, and your wife will have to wear a burkha, but you'll get to have three more wives if you want, and you better go ahead and get a koran, because you're gonna have to get on your knees and pray five times a day.

:-)

Sort of a reductio ad absurdum argument that they seem to like and it makes them laugh and sorta shuffle their feet and feel foolish

[Doctor_J]

14. no he's not

tell them to listen to kerry instead of the NRA leadership.

[PurityOfEssence]

15. How sad to not have the power in hand to kill many people from a distance

The real issue of gun ownership is the ability to kill other human beings. If one is so paranoid about every conceivable instance where one's property and safety is at risk, one must live a very sad and angry life.

Certain controls are necessary; where one draws the line is the difficult part. To not be willing to discuss those lines invites endless pain.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself, but there's enough of that to keep one up late at night: I fear their fear.

[muchacho]

17. I'm from Texas

and even I think that's stupid.

[LTR]

18. I don't understand the whole gun rights argument

I think anyone who's afraid of Kerry taking away their guns should be asked these questions:

1. What do you hunt with? If it's a shotgun or rifle, don't worry. If you hunt with AK-47s or Tek 9's, then you are really not a hunter anyway. Also, is your hunting experience enhanced by using armour-piercing bullets?

2. What do you use in your home to protect yourself and your family? If it's a .38, don't worry. If it's a semi-automatic or some kind of garbage street weapon, do you really need something like that in your home?

3. Have you ever been convicted of a felony? If not, you won't lose your guns and you can register to own as many firearms as you want. If you're a felon, there's usually a good reason why you're not able to own a gun.

4. Were your gun rights infringed in the last ten years? If not, nothing will change with you. If they were, you probably are a felon and prohibited from owning firearms.

5. If you were a cop, would YOU want to wander into a potential fatal situation where you're staring down the barrel of an AK-47? Without cops on the streets to provide protection, you may very well need a small arsenal in your home. You and your family may need it.

The gun laws of the last ten years were there to protect people like hunters who respect firearms more than almost any group. These people will notice little change, except for a slight added nuisance of registering a gun. Small price to pay, isn't it?

[Shopaholic]

19. It's the same in South Carolina

and throughout the South. These redneck morons think that the Democrats are going to do house-to-house searches and seize all their guns. Unfuckingbelievable.

[HarrietBrown]

20. Someone we know isn't voting for Kerry because

he will take his guns away AND because no one in MA liked Kerry when he was their governor. Moron.

[BiggJawn]

21. "Did you know 'Klintoon', re-authorized the CMP?" "No! Really?"

That as a converstion I had with a Dildo-head one day. He was insisting that Kerry was going to take "All our guns away, Like Klintoon tried to!"

I said "Bill Clinton tried to take our guns away? Then why in Hell did he sign the bill re-authoriziing the Civilian Marksmanship program?"

"He done that?"

"Yep."

"I got an M-1 from the CMP. Clinton was for the cMP?"

"I didn't stutter. and Kerry hunts, did you know that? Bush doesn't hunt. He plays at fishing with his dad. Do you know John Ashcroft probably loses more sleep worrying about your gun than John Kerry does?"