Asian Vote Breaking For Bush

[mhr]

Observing Dallas, TX voting, it appears that the Asian vote is breaking for Bush.

This is bad news for Kerry.

[lolly]

1. Why?

Is this news?

This is always a very conservative voting block, no?

Was anybody expecting them not to vote w/AWOL?

[novadem]

2. Oh no...

...does this mean Texas may now go to Bush?

[pabloseb]

14. Well, Dallas is democratic I believe

In any case, national polls show Asians will vote for Kerry, but not by a huge margin.

[MoonRiver]

17. Dallas is DEMOCRATIC???

HAHAHAHAHA! :crazy:

[crispini]

31. Um, yes, we are. City of Dallas voted for Gore. n/t

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

52. The city of Dallas might have

but Dallas County was red in 2000. I'm hoping it is blue this time!

And Tarrant County! You TOO!

[TexasSissy]

65. Dallas County is DARK RED! That includes the city of Dallas.

I've lived in a couple of precincts in Dallas. They both voted for Bush for governor, and Bush for Prez. And I believe that most of the precincts in Dallas County went for Bush as Prez.

The area around Houston has more Dems. And the area around Austin TX (that being a college town) has lots more Dems.

Dallas - financial capital of the state - is Repub all the way.

[Protagoras]

67. How many electoral votes does *Dallas* get again?

nt

[deadparrot]

3. Chill, it's TX.

A guaranteed red state. Just let them be.

[Gaffey Duck]

4. Probably Mainland Chinese...

Many support the CCP-GOP-Saud Family Axis of Evil.

[still_one]

15. Wrong!

Mainland Chinese are for Kerry, and I know

It is those from Tawain that are pushing bush

Look at the labor secretary...

[Gaffey Duck]

25. Depends whom you're talking about...

Taiwanese Hans of Mainlander origins, who tend to have wet dreams of boinking Chiang Kai-shek's neo-Nazi corpse and reuniting the Chinese Motherland, even under CCP rule, are for the Chimp. Those of such heritage who live in Taiwan support far-right parties with ties to BOTH the CCP and AND the GOP, such as the Kuomintang, the New PArty, and the People First Party. (A PFP legislator who just got indicted for major corruption scandals was hob-nobbing with the elites at the GOP Convention.). These parties are known for homophobia, misogyny, union busting, pan-Chinese nationalism, and right-wing economic policies.

Taiwanese Hans who were in Taiwan before the civil war (mostly Fujianese) are far more progressive and tend to identify more with the anti-CCP progressives like Nancy. Examples would be our very own Darker. (I apologise for missing the capitalisation.)

[DjTj]

29. DPP = Democratic, KMT = Republican

...that's how my mom sees it. She's obsessed with Taiwanese politics and I'm obsessed with American politics. She and my family are all very strongly DPP, while I'm very strongly Democratic - my mom says they're both parties about helping the little people.

[Gaffey Duck]

41. Pan-Blue seems even WORSE than GOP...

*shudders*

[GRLMGC]

44. My friend is from Taiwan

She and her family hate Bush. Then again, there are always exceptions.

[daydreamer]

61. exactly

and we outnumber those from Taiwan.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. I work in a Chinese law office in a Chinese community in California

They're all for Kerry. Some of them voted for Bush in 2000, much to their regret. They are not only for Kerry, they are some of the strongest ABB people I know.

One very strong reason why I think Asians will overwhelmingly vote for Kerry is the way the Immigration Service has fallen apart under Bush. In the last four years it went from being called the INS, to the BCIS, and now to the USCIS, transferred from the Justice Department to the new Department Of Homeland Security. Asian US citizens who vote have plenty of family members and friends who are seeking immigration and the immigration service has become slow as never before, arbitrary and capricious in its decisions as at no other time in my memory, and very restrictive and unapproachable in general. Under Bush, it is no longer possible for even an attorney to call up the regional service center. The ombudsman program at the regional service centers has been disbanded. They now have a computer system that won't tell them where a file has been transferred, once it has left the hands of the interviewing officer at the USCIS. This has resulted in longer delays than at any time in immigration history. Every Asian person I have spoken to is very worried about the future of immigration if Bush is re-selected.

[daydreamer]

59. Not this Chinese family

Most Chinese here are highly educated, and are democrats. I know because I am one of them.

[daydreamer]

60. Not this Chinese family

Most Chinese here are highly educated, and are democrats. I know because I am one of them.

[still_one]

5. Sorry but look where it is coming from, Texas

This has nothing to do with Asian, white, or black vote, Texas is Texas, not the rest of the country

[mhr]

Its Just An Observation - I have Yet To See Any Asian Vote For Kerry

eom

[still_one]

9. First of all I consider that a racist statement

My wife is Chinese, her family is Chinese, and all my Chinese friends are going for Kerry

Stop sterotyping people!

[DuaneBidoux]

23. I understand your sensitivity but I don't think it was racist

I think it might have well been uninformed. I have a French wife, and a Rethug family, you can imagine our fun in the last few years. I've become sensitive on that. I don't think when one is doing political analysis it is racist to say "Asian-American" or "African-American," or even "Irish-American." Demographers do track people and groups of people this way, and I guarantee you that inside the Kerry campaign they have breakdown numbers that would probably knock your socks off (we're getting 14% of the self identified Polish Lesbians (okay-an exaggeration, but you get my point). You'd be surprised what a science this stuff is. It just never makes it out to regular folks.

AND, all my Asian American acquaintances are also voting for Kerry, some even voted Gore last time, and some of them are even well off. There's an ANTI-stereotype!

[mhr]

33. I Am In A Posistion To Assist Voters - All Of The Asians With Poor

English skills ask for assistance.

All have voted for Bush.

[DuaneBidoux]

Yea' that's possible....my message was geared more toward

the guy who somehow thought your original post was racist which I didn't think (and you notice I said you "might" be uninformed.) Sounds like from your position however you see something real. There were some others talking aboout Asians voting Republican because "they were at the top of the food chain." That I find a little stereotypical. I've never believed that, at the top stratum of society people vote right or left based on money, but on life experience and especially on education.

I commented that all the Asian Americans I know are voting Kerry, but they are not poor, and not one of them has less than a graduate degree (I think that is the real point, not the race).

[DuaneBidoux]

43. And I just remembered something else interesting

You may remember that a number of global polls were taken showing Kerry being preferred by a landslide by voters worldwide. Except I suddenly remembered the article I read saying that those supporting Bush, ESPECIALLY in Asia, were of a lower socio-economic background. Based on what you tell me about their language skills they would be I suspect in that class.

My acquaintances, voting Kerry, all have graduate degrees and speak English as a second language but fluently. Most have also been here at least 10 or 20 years. In that sense it probably doesn't make sense to say "Asians" breaking for Kerry.

And, as most said, this is Texas (again nothing personal, I'm in Houston).

[KittyWampus]

47. Maybe All The Asians With GOOD Language Skills Voted Bush!

or are you insinuating that most Asians have poor language skills and needed your assistance.

[Pepperbelly]

16. how do you know who is voting for whom? nt

[John_H]

19. LOL!

[msongs]

27. If you areHow did you get those alleged "asians" to show you their

completed ballots??????????????????????? And who did all the white people vote for then????????????????

Msongs
Riverside CA

[Bluebear]

32. Ask Margaret Cho

[still_one]

6. The Asians in California are going for Kerry

[missouri dem]

7. Yeah and the asian vote in San Francisco is going to break hard

for Kerry. 9 more days till the Kerry landslide.

[Gaffey Duck]

12. Lots of intellectuals of Hong Kong and Taiwanese origin there...

They love their Nancy Pelosi and other progressive-minded CCP-bashers like Bernie Sanders and (RIP) Paul Wellstone.

[Doohickie]

8. Asian immigrants tend to jump in at the top of the economic

food chain, so it is logical they support conservative candidates. And the kind of programs Bush provides (helping professionals and small merchants at the expense of those they are serving) plays into them.

I don't think it will turn the election.

[DuaneBidoux]

10. Well all I can tell you (from Houston here)

Is that I have at least half a dozen Asian acquaintances that voted Shrub last time but are Kerry this time. In fact, I haven't met an Asian American that is voting for Shrub. But some of the other posts do have a point. Doesn't much matter in Texas. Florida? Ohio? Pennsylvania? THAT would matter.

[sonicx]

11. um, TX!!!

comeon man...

[politicaholic]

13. Yes, that massive Texas Asian population is a factor in determining...

where most of the Asian republicans live.

I don't know about you, but I think Bush might win Texas.

[WI_DEM]

18. How can you tell?

Your observing the voting? how can you tell who they are voting for?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

21. Yeah, really!

Are you peeking over their shoulders or something?

[RareLubbockDem]

20. I'm a Texan... relax

I live in Lubbock. I'm in Austin now, and I'll be in Corpus tomorrow (so I'm traveling the state, basically) and Texas is never, ever ever (etc) going to go anyway BUT *. We're fighting like hell out here just to get the message out. We know we won't win the state. Not this year. but maybe, just maybe, if we keep trying, things will turn back to normalcy, back to reality-based policies.

Sometimes I think i'm tired of fighting, but then i get fired up again.....

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

53. My God you are rare

I think you need to be covered under the Endangered Species Act!

Seriously, though, I know a family who lives in Dumas who are all Dems and have been for years.

[secular_warrior]

24. Most Asians (Orientals) and South Asians (Indians, etc) tend to be

very conservative, both socially and economically - even more conservative than the the typical white Republican.

[Gaffey Duck]

28. Except the smart ones...

Who support the centre-left politicians that currently have the favour of the Hong Kong, Taiwanese, and South Korean population. They're among the most progressive people in the world, especially Leung Kwok-hung's followers in HK.

[secular_warrior]

37. I would have to disagree. Most Asians/South Asians

tend to be smarter than the average American.

Academics, yes tend to be more Western/liberal minded, but for the most part Asians/South Asians on the whole do very well in this country. They tend to be business owners, their kids usually score higher in standardized testing (such as the SAT's) and go to very good colleges. The Asian/South Asian cultures are very concerned with learning, education and economic progress - it's the reason (in addition to much lower labor cost) so many American companies are so eager to outsource technology jobs to countries like India.

[liberalpragmatist]

40. Not really

You're right they tend to be more conservative, but my experience seems to be that they generally are more Democratic on economic issues, and they dislike the GOP's intolerance to minorities and immigrants and prefer multilateral foreign policy.

South Asians, especially, voted 70% for Gore. I'm of South Asian origin, and I can tell you that most of the Indians I know are NOT planning on voting Bush, but Kerry.

Now, there are some conservative Indians who will back Bush, and I personally do think that Bush will win more Indian votes than he did in 2000 - some Gujurati businessmen are very conservative and many of them are unfortunately anti-Muslim - but I expect the bulk still to go to Kerry.

[MsTryska]

66. I'm South Asian too.....

and my folks, who are upper middle-class, are staunch republicans because they are fiscall conservatives. However, they don't vote for Bushes, as my mom puts it. never have, never will. Granted they spend all day watching CNN these days, so they are paranoid that Bush will win, but they definitely aren't voting for him.

[blm]

26. Not on the West Coast and certainly not on the East Coast.

.

[Thrill]

30. For goodness sakes

who cares what happens in TX

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

54. Um, me?

[Lisa]

34. maybe they're disoriented!

(sorry -- couldn't resist)

I'm hoping that there are some old Japanese-Americans out there who remember the consequences of ethnic profiling, and are opposed to the Patriot Act. My parents (born in Canada, Japanese background) both distrust Bush and are horrified by his policies.

[crispini]

35. How do you know?

I've been keeping an eye on dear ol' dalcoelections.org website....

no actual voter data available there yet...... just WHO voted, not HOW.

[Gloria]

36. Actually, I checked out a story about the vote from Japan....Japan is

so heavily military, it will tilt Bush....However, Dems are working hard there. They have two office, the Repugs have one....

The story was in yesterday's Japan Times....

Of course, these are Americans in Asia..........not Asians in America!!!

[DjTj]

38. Immigrants tend to adopt the party of their neighbors...

...especially in areas where there aren't large ethnic enclaves.

I grew up in the DC area, and the Asians on the Maryland side were generally Democratic while the Asians on the Virginia side were generally Republican. When you are a recent immigrant and don't know much about American politics, you tend to learn from the people around you.

Around Dallas the Asians are primarily middle-class families from around Plano I would guess - they probably just adopted the political party of the white Republicans around them.

In areas of California and in major east coast cities, there are bigger ethnic communities that can be mobilized to vote as a bloc, but in much of the country, Asians don't hold any particular party loyalty.

[John_H]

39. We need some comic releief here at DU. Can you

explain, say, in five steps, how you can get from "I helped some people at one polling place in Texas" to "Asian Vote Breaking for Bush." Please?

If you're anwwer is "just an observation," doesn't that mean your post is sort of, like, idiotic?

[mhr]

42. All Individual Reports Are Anecdotal - I Made It Clear That This Is

In the Dallas, TX area.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

45. Your Headline Is, "Asian Vote Breaking for Bush"

That's kind of misleading if you're basing it solely on anecdotal evidence in TEXAS, no?

If you want some generalizations based on historical facts, East and South Asians typically break Democratic. Southeast Asians -- particularly immigrants from Vietnam who are often staunchly anti-Communist -- typically break Republican.

I have seen no evidence that these historical trends will be significantly different this year.

DTH

[helpisontheway]

46. My husband's mom and her family are

Filipino and ALL OF THEM are voting for Kerry.

[Cocoa]

63. I also have filipino in-laws

and anecdotally, it seems Bush has lost them big-time.

I was talking to the filipino caterer at a family gathering, and out of nowhere he launches into an anti-Bush tirade, very passionate, and everyone nearby agreed.

:toast:

[MacDo]

64. My wife

is Filipina and voted against me for Bush. Count our votes out

[KittyWampus]

49. And It's Not Just "Asians". It's Asians With "Poor Language Skills"

who need the Poster's help with voting.

Could it be that Asians with GOOD language skills voted for KERRY and didn't NEED any help voting?

:think:

How many Asians showed up at referenced polling place anyway?

[democracyindanger]

48. All 3 voted Chimp?

[against all enemies]

50. Who cares? Texas blah, blah, blah. Texas sucks.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

56. Thanks, that's nice. There are decent Democrats here

working their asses off to take this state back, eventually.

When the Dems have all of TX electoral votes someday, you might not think Texas sucks.

It won't be this year, but it'll be soon.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

51. I'm in TX

and I'm not particularly worried about it.

Two groups of Asians around here would vote for *: older generation Asians with their own businesses perceiving bush as pro-business (not YOUR business, he's not, unfortunately!) and younger, upwardly mobile, MBA Asians who want that Beemer and the good life and think it's cool to vote like their Beemer driving white yuppie friends.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

55. Evidence? Link?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

58. The more I think about this the more it stinks

there's no way a person working the polls is supposed to be looking at their ballot or their touch screen (and I believe it is a touch screen since I voted in Dallas County, too, and that's what we have--though it isn't Diebold).

[mhr]

62. One Must View The Touchscreen To Assist The Voter

There is no way around that fact.

Assisters ask the voter if they need help.

If not the assister steps away from the polling booth.

So, the screen is seen by only those that request help.

Many Senior citizens are so afraid of the machines that they request an assister to stay with them.

Like the Asians, most are voting for Bush.

[JI7]

57. misleading headline

[DemFromMem]

68. What the hell does that mean?

"Observing Dallas, TX voting" - Are you seeing actual voting results in advance of next Tuesday? This is not a particularly helpful post.

[itcfish1]

69. why

wouldnt the Hindu's vote for Bush. He sent all our jobs to India and His father gave 70,000 work visa a year to Indians to come here and take away our jobs. I would vote for Bush too.