What just happened on msnbc?

[Lilli]

I was told something about someone apologizing for airing something John O'neil said.....was anyone watching?

[Gloria]

1. No, Buchanan just took Lawrence O'Donnell to the woodshed

because he blew his top with him. I didn't see the original thing, but Buchanan is sahing Lawrence "crossed the line."

Frankly, I'd like to see lots more of our guys "cross the line."

[juliagoolia]

3. lets write pat and tell him oneill has been crossing the line for months

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. Lawrence has been going off on Pat on the McLaughlin group

...for the past two weeks now. No doubt Pat's getting pissed. The clash of two Irish tempers can make for interesting TV. Now if they can throw O'Reilly into the mix....

[tsuki]

16. Buchanan crossed the line

when he bent over to kiss O'Neill's ass. Everything O'Neill was saying had been discredited, but Buchanan was acting like it was new information.

Just what Jon Stewart advocated...don't kiss their asses, hold their feet to the fire. You are supposed to be JOURNALISTS.

[Sydnie]

2. Something about Lawarence ODonnel?

Something about Lawrence insulting someone? I missed the show Friday so I don't know what happened. He must have laid into John ONeil?

[Mojambo]

4. He didn't lay into him

He called him a liar.

[missouri dem]

Yes. He repeatly called the liar a liar.

I was so proud of him.

[LittleClarkie]

6. A lying liar, specifically

Lawrence went into full rant mode over O'Neill. Must have had just about enough. I've never seen O'Donnell in action, so I don't know the context of why he went gonzo, except that I'm not sure I could be in the same room with O'Neill either and be able to fight the urge to bitch slap the man.

[michigandem2]

46. i saw the show...

he was saying what should of been said MONTHS ago...he was saying the book is a lie...most of what comes out of his mouth is a lie..and I saw Buchannan last night and wanted to bash his face in...why is it repukes can get away with lies and expect NOBODY to call them on it then when we finally get tough enough to just put an end to it...we get called out for being "over the line' they (repukes) have been demonizing dems for years and all over the rw radio we are considered LIARS...we throw this back in their face when it is PROVEN to be a lie..and he had to apologize??? sickening...who has larry odonnells email

[cheshire]

5. Yesterday Larry went off on O'Neill Liar about 5 times. It was great.

[Quadrajet]

7. I don't know if it was "great" or not.

I saw the video clip in some freeper thread and I have to say, I wasn't impressed with O'Donnell's actions.

O'Donnell was pulling a Hannity, he was barely letting O'Neil talk. When O'Neil did start talking, O'Donnell started talking over him, calling him a liar and how everything O'Neil was saying was a lie. Now, I absolutely agree with what O'Donnell was saying and have no disputes with it. It's the WAY he did it.

As much as I can't stand O'Neil and everything the SBV's stand for, it was pretty embarrassing (in my opinion). It really gave the Repubs an example of their claim about how "wild eyed the Dems are". Normally I wouldn't care, but acting the way O'Donnell did, will not win any swing voters or independents.

Yes I realize that Buchanan and O'Neil would have spouted their right wing rhetoric all night if O'Donnell hadn't kept talking, but c'mon. It was almost as if Buchanan gave O'Donnell a sip of koolaid before he went on and said "go get 'em tiger, we need a new Democratic whipping boy".

[autorank]

8. Agree but...

...O'Donnel was so out of character, his response helped me understand just how low-down the whole Swift Boat Liar campaign has been. Every once in a while, it's healthy to see someone Kirk-Out when they fase total insanity.

[Quadrajet]

9. I've never heard of O'Donnell before...

...so I don't have a very good frame of reference. Thanks for the reply.

[bigtree]

13. O'Donnel was the behind the scenes, indispensable counsel

to Moynihan and others during our Democratic majority under Clinton. He's a smart dedicated Democrat with enough integrity to be taken seriously.

[Quadrajet]

20. Thanks bigtree!

I'll start looking for more info on him.

[kentuck]

40. O'Donnell is the only person so far that has challenged O'Neil....

rather than let him run on and on with his lies about Kerry. Kudos ot O'Donnnell!

[hexola]

11. Kirk Out...

LOL...

[DenverDem]

10. "As much as I can't stand O'Neil. . . " RIIIIIGHT.

Not buying it.

Just stop it.

[seabeyond]

15. he denver i cant stand oneil;

and i have always liked o'donnell. and o'donnell was bad, really really bad. lol. i understand his anger and it is out of character for him, and i am not going to say i was uncomfortable with it, but........as bad as these shows are he did go over the line, shutting both up whenever they talked. he was pissed and it showed.

now i think he just needs to take a deep beath, apologize to pat and every body better let him continue on with his job.

[DenverDem]

21. I'm not disputing O'Donnell overreacted, even though it is understandable.

I am disputing the poster's veracity.

[hexola]

32. Dont...

DU rules...attack message...not messenger...

[Quadrajet]

33. *sigh*

I have no loyalty to John O'Neil and I don't want to be part of any infighting here at DU.

[hexola]

35. You'll find that some DU'ers can be a bit Freeperish...

Good Luck! They will call you out if you disagree - ever so slightly - with the "company line"

I dont even post much anymore...just cuz some folks are just so paranoid...

[HootieMcBoob]

28. BULLSHIT

O'Donnell should never apologize! Are you fucking insane? We finally get a person who is willing to call these liars on their shit and people are saying they want an apology. My fucking ass!!! He needs to stand up and we need to cover him for this. Lawrence O'Donnell has risen in my estimation a thousandfold because he is mad as hell and he is not gonna take it anymore. I tip my hat to the man. He stood up and we need to cover him. :toast:

[w4rma]

47. I agree. And, btw, I think we have a few freepers here who are trying to

talk Dems into doing something (apoligize for calling the liar out?) that would be backing down to the fascists. They would like to keep us nice and docile.

[flpoljunkie]

48. Mild mannered O'Donnell was mad as hell and he wasn't taking it any more!

When the normally mild mannered and reasonable O"Donnell goes off on Buchanan, you know the Dems have had enough!

Kudos to O'Donnell for speaking up to these hypocritical liars like Buchanan and his vicious sister, Bay.

[Quadrajet]

17. Huh?

If you saw the segment you know what I'm talking about Yes, O'Neil is a lying sack of sh*t and Buchanan was simply pandering to him, but that doesn't mean we use the same tactics that Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly employ.

That being said, I think he would have been better off saying WHY O'Neil was a liar, rather than calling him one.


*edit*
Upon watching the clip again, O'Donnell DOES talk about the report and initials on the report, but by going off like that I think he overshadowed any facts he gave. Combine that with the way that O'Neil was reacting (mellow) and this is gold for for Hannity and Rush.
*edit*

[autorank]

26. Welcome to DU! Forgot to say that above.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

23. Sanctimonious Buchanan apologized to the MSNBC viewers

and to that icky John O'Neill for the unprofessional way that O'Donnell acted on the last show. He, also, said that O'Donnell agreed with him. Said it would never, ever happen again. What a crock of sh*t. Buchanan was stunned that anyone dare stand up to him and his brow beating and he got his revenge when no one could answer back. That is the way these guys work, chickensh*ts when it comes to going toe to toe, gobble like a turkey when there is no one to shut them up.

What O'Donnell did took guts and I'm damn proud that someone from the Democratic party finally took off the gloves and gave it back to Buchanan and O'Neill. They both are so over. Somebody needs to send them a memo and let them know.

Jon Stewart and now Lawrence O'Donnell, are trying to get through to these thugs - NO MORE! We have had enough lies, we have had enough of passively sitting by while muckraking is passed for journalism and we have had enough of Right Wing assholes who try to convince everyone they are the "kind and gentle" party - yeah, a kind and gentle party of piranhas that eat their young for an election.

[missouri dem]

36. O'Neill is a big fat liar and I am sick of the media acting like

he has any credibility at all. I am proud of Lawrence O'Donnell for calling him out. They act like someone who has made a career of lieing should be treated whith any respect. Shame on the media for giving the swift boat liars a platform to spread their filth.

[RafterMan]

24. I agreed with the parent post

I just watched it, and thought O'Donnell was over the top. I can understand why he exploded, but I think he undermined his own effectiveness by losing control.

I liked Koppel's takedown better, where he made O'Neil look like the sputtering idiot.

[CAcyclist]

27. Thank you

[KittyWampus]

18. Good God, O'Donnell Did That? He Is Generally Unflappable!

I salute Lawrence for showing some brio, and chastise you for being a whuss!

[Quadrajet]

37. Hey you called me a wuss!

I'm glad I found a place I can speak my mind without being insulted.

[KittyWampus]

38. I Didn't Think Wuss (Did I Misspell It?) Was Being Mean

I sorry

[lanparty]

19. Unfortunately ...

Republicans are whining creeps who are held to much lower standards than Democrats. Democrats simply cannot behave like Republicans on the air.

But I will say this. Democrats need to start doing a little whining themselves. They need to make the SAME media bias complaints that Republicans did "falsely" for 25 years.

The press is the "referee" of the political game. And like it or not, if the other coach is lobbying the ref, you have to as well!!!!


BTW, did I mention before that Pat Buchanan behaves in the same abhorrant fashion on McGlaughlan?????

[sandnsea]

25. Well it's like O'Donnell said

They've been discredited time after time on the air. Every major news organizations have shredded the crap in their book. Yet people like Pat Buchanan keep on hauling them out again. How many times do we have to politely tell somebody they're "mistaken" "distorting" "misinterperting" before you finally just say "You are a lying liar who is unfit for publishing." I'm glad he did it, I'm glad he lit into some of the other right wing bullshit on the program too.

[AngryAmish]

29. We cannot allow that sort of speech

It is too Nazi-like and dangerous. O'Neil should be barred from the airwaves.

[Weembo]

44. O'Neil got a taste of his own medicine

O'Neil is a well-known, and respected, trial lawyer in Houston. He is about the best at shouting down views he doesn't like, all the time with the "Who me? I'm just on the side of truth and justice" expression on his face. I, personally, loved it. A liar is a liar. O'Neil, it's time to drop the 33 year vendetta and get on with your life.

[lanparty]

14. Found a link ...

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/breakdown.html

Lawrence gave John O'Neil what he deserved. But he did it in a way that discredits his message. The irony is this is the same way that Bill O'Reilly behaves!!!

It's also the SAME way that O'Neill behaved on Nightline!!!

BTW, I've seen Pat Buchannan behave this way on EVERY episode of McGlaughlin I've EVER seen him on!!!!

[tsuki]

22. Buchanan is another

self righteous neocon. I can't wait until someone catches him with a falafel.

[Zuni]

39. Pat Buchanan is not a Neo con

he is anti neo-con, anti-foreign intervention, anti-iraq war. He is an old line Paleo-Conservative.

[lanparty]

42. It's also unfortunate ...

... It's also unfortunate that Pat is ALSO a racist. And it seems that half of the paleo-cons are revolted to the "compassionate" part of Bush's rhetoric. Though I still respect their honesty as compared to Bush's closet racism and classism.

[tsuki]

49. Buchanan was so

busy kissing O'Neill's ass that I could not listen to him. And will never be able to listen to him again. Ask the questions, Buchanan!

[NightOwwl]

31. Who the fuck is Pat to give him a dressing down?

And personally, I think O'Donnell showed great restraint in his exchange with O'Neill. I can't believe someone hasn't punched that robo-lying bastard on his fat fucking ass.

[CAcyclist]

34. If it wasn't so out of character for O'Donnell

you would have a point.However.

I don't watch these shows because I hate the constant yelling and cutting other people off. BUT sometimes its just too much to take and if anyone deserves a shouting down, its O'Neill.

The man started out as a Nixon dirty tricks operative and is bought and paid for by the treasonous wing of the Republican party. He is a slimy little weasel who probably belongs in jail.

[Hailtothechimp]

30. Very disappointing

O"Donnell must have been leaned on in some way to renounce what happened. Either he meant what he said or he didn't. I have to believe he did, but the M$NBC check means more to him than his principles.

[Sugarcoated]

41. I hope he wasn't fired for this

While I enjoyed seeing O'Neill get ripped a well deserved new one, and it was totally understandable, and tit for tat for O'Donnell to go balistic, it was very unsettling to see him lose his cool. He's usually so level headed and logical, so good with his facts. I think he really, really wants John Kerry to be president and has great respect for him and just couldn't take this lying BS anymore.

[krkaufman]

43. Where's video of either the original O'Donnell comments...

... or Buchanan's rant?

[Pirate Smile]

45. Whenever Vietnam comes up, Buchanan goes back to being Tricky Dick's

mouth piece. He loves it when anyone slams Kerry for his anti-war protests. He repeats lies over and over even after they have been totally discredited. He and O'Neil would have had a wonderful love-fest for each other and hate-rant on Kerry.

Lawrence was going to be screwed on that segment no matter what. I didn't see it but heard about it. I can understand his frustration.