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Dickie Flatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:23 PM
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Josh blows Drudge to pieces
We're getting quite quick at knocking down this crap: A Pentagon "official who monitors developments in Iraq" told the Associated Press today that "US-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, which had been under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact."

That of course would mean that the explosives were not removed from the facility until some point after the war. And that would be in line with what the Iraqis two weeks ago told the IAEA.

If the Di Rita hypothesis is right that means that the first US troops that visited al Qa Qaa found that the explosives had already been stolen or looted or otherwise secreted away. Di Rita has, in fact, already said this. And that would mean that the US government has known the explosives were missing for some eighteen months.

The problem is that the White House has spent the entire day claiming that they knew nothing about this until ten days ago, October 15th. Scott McClellan said this repeatedly during his gaggle with reporters this morning. Indeed, he went on to say, "Now , the Pentagon, upon learning of this, directed the multinational forces and the Iraqi survey group to look into this matter, and that's what they are currently doing."

So McClellan says that the Pentagon only just learned about this. And that's why they only now assigned the Iraq Survey Group to examine what happened. But Di Rita says that the US government has known about it for 18 months.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:25 PM
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1. What a tangled web they weave..
Lying sacks of crap.
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:25 PM
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2. some one is lying
now who could that be? hmm.....
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:26 PM
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3. Al Qaqa means * is in deep doo doo
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:26 PM
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4. Entire buildings have disappeared.
Not just explosives - but entire buildings, including the internal components have been pinched. This is bigger than the explosives. The means to make them are also in the hands of who-knows-who.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:32 PM
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8. Oh I know
I remember the stories of the looting of all these sites between April & June 2003. Then they just disappeared into the memory hole. Nice media hype right before the election and all, but for this administration and the PENTAGON to pretend they didn't know, there are just no words.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:45 PM
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10. Well, the odd thing is - about this administration - is that I believe
many of the principle figures did not know. We hear of Condoleezza Rice learning of this a month ago. Yet this happene eighteen months ago. The NYT story reported that it is unclear if Bush knows. I find this information plausible.

Did Rumsfeld know? Probably. Everyone else in this administration is just in his way. You can hear and see his contempt for everyone around him.

But, again, as for everyone else being in the dark - this just underlines the absolute failure and incompetence of this administration. Who is running the fucking show?
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:07 PM
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13. Is Condi just a figure head -- stand in for
someone else --she seems so out of the loop.

Seems like she is forever surprised about things she should know about -- What is her job description anyway??

Is Cheney really the National Security guru/adviser?

After reading Clarke's book and the details (from his perspective) of the events of 9/11 01 -- I've wondered about Condi's real job. She didn't stay in the situation room with Clarke -- rather joined Cheney in the POLITICAL situation room. Where Lynn kept hanging up the phone -- between Cheney and Clarke.

If indeed this lying bitch just recently learned about the missing 380 tons of powerful explosives -- what the hell has she been doing all day?? Playing piano in her pearls?
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:27 PM
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5. So Pentagon inspected late March, explosives there. NBC inbed gets there
April 10 and they are gone. This proves they were looted in that 2-3 weeks and the US knew they had suddenly dissapeared. That makes it worse for Bush not better.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:27 PM
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6. You say al Qaqaa, I say al Qaeda, let's call the whole thing off n/t
:kick:
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:28 PM
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7. They keep heaving the crap out there and we ...
keep shoveling it over to the compost heap where it belongs. Buh buh, *.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:34 PM
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9. I HAVE KNOWN IT FOR 18 MONTHS
At another location. These PRICKS.



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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,955413,00.html
Nuclear watchdog fears terrorist dirty bomb after looting at al-Tuwaitha
Wednesday May 14, 2003

United Nations nuclear inspectors, barred from Iraq by Washington, are increasingly worried that the widespread looting and ransacking of Iraq's nuclear facilities may result in terrorists building a radioactive "dirty bomb". The inspectors' concerns are shared internationally and the British government has reportedly offered to raise the matter with Washington to try to get agreement on a return of the UN nuclear inspectors to Iraq.

The main worry revolves around the fate of at least 200 radioactive isotopes which were stored at the sprawling al-Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 15 miles south of Baghdad. It has seen widespread looting, and reports from Baghdad speak of locals making off with barrels of raw uranium and the isotopes which are meant for medical or industrial use.

"If this happened anywhere else there would be national outrage and it would be the highest priority," said a senior source at the UN nuclear watchdog, the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency.

"The radioactive sources, some very potent ones, could get on to the black market and into the hands of terrorists planning dirty-bomb attacks," said Melissa Fleming, an IAEA spokeswoman.

<snip>Experts are muttering that the US, as the occupying power in Iraq, is now technically in breach of the non-proliferation treaty. There is a fear that the occupation, ostensibly to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, could result in more such weapons being created. <more>

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http://power.about.com/library/weekly/aa050503a.htm
Power/Energy
with Andre Titarenko
Iraq Nuclear Sites Looting
Updated May 11, 2003
OUR COMMENT

<snip> Chronologically the first reason to attack Iraq that was provided by the USA Administration was intelligence related to development of the Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) by Saddam Hussein. Another reason was terrorism. There were changes of mind, but none of these reasons was ever dismissed completely. Being formerly involved with nuclear disarmament in another part of the world I had in my mind very clear picture of the USA Marines taking the control of whatever is left out there in the nuclear field after the bombing first hand, maybe even airlifted to do so. They certainly will be armed with detailed roadmaps, satellite pictures, floormaps and guidance, and will keep everyone away from known locations of fusion materials no matter what. Well…

First reports about possible looting of nuclear materials in Iraq dates back to April 11, when an anonymous source told ABC that IAEA seals on the drums with Uranium at Al-Tuwaitha facility near Baghdad, were broken. Drums there contained about 1.8 tons of Uranium (not weapon-grade, but probably fine to build “dirty bomb”). There was a lot of highly active materials other than Uranium there too. The initial looters could be local ( looking to get at least something for their families and homes), but they sure knew what is hidden behind the fence of Al-Tuwaitha. It was bombed not once (for the first time in 1981), and they must have had a lot of “word from mouth” about deadly radiation out there, etc. Only a very brave or a very stupid local guy will go looting there. Even if this happens, a sealed drum with Uranium is not as attractive a looting object as armchair, TV or freezer for an "average guy". If someone targets it, and breaks the seal, most likely he knows perfectly well what he is looking for, and who is the likely buyer for it. If by chance someone has broken the seals on the drums out of stupid curiosity, by now he has probably put pieces together and is looking for a buyer for stolen Uranium.

<snip>Al-Tuwaitha is not the only Iraq nuclear site. Some facilities are in and near Mosul, in the territory that was invaded by Kurds form Northern Iraq. Please bear in mind that the only operational Al-Qaeda training camp in Iraq existed on the territory controlled by Kurds in Northern Iraq, and Kurds were generally OK with neighborhood such as this. Kurds do cooperate with still sparce USA troops in the region, but so far there was no reports available about securing the al-Jazirah enrichment facility near Mosul.<more>


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http://www.msnbc.com/news/912073.asp?0cv=KB10
WMDs for the Taking?
While U.S. troops pushed on to Baghdad, Iraqis were looting radioactive materials from once protected sites

May 19 issue — From the very start, one of the top U.S. priorities in Iraq has been the search for weapons of mass destruction. Weren’t WMDs supposed to be what the war was about? Even so, no one has yet produced conclusive evidence that Iraq was maintaining a nuclear, biological or chemical (NBC) arsenal.

<snip>Some of the lapses are frightening. The well-known Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, about 12 miles south of Baghdad, had nearly two tons of partially enriched uranium, along with significant quantities of highly radioactive medical and industrial isotopes, when International Atomic Energy Agency officials made their last visit in January. By the time U.S. troops arrived in early April, armed guards were holding off looters—but the Americans only disarmed the guards, Al Tuwaitha department heads told NEWSWEEK. “We told them, ‘This site is out of control. You have to take care of it’,” says Munther Ibrahim, Al Tuwaitha’s head of plasma physics. “The soldiers said, ‘We are a small group. We cannot take control of this site’.” As soon as the Americans left, looters broke in. The staff fled; when they returned, the containment vaults’ seals had been broken, and radioactive material was everywhere.

U.S. officers say the center had already been ransacked before their troops arrived. They didn’t try to stop the looting, says Colonel Madere, because “there was no directive that said do not allow anyone in and out of this place.” Last week American troops finally went back to secure the site. Al Tuwaitha’s scientists still can’t fully assess the damage; some areas are too badly contaminated to inspect. “I saw empty uranium-oxide barrels lying around, and children playing with them,” says Fadil Mohsen Abed, head of the medical-isotopes department. Stainless-steel uranium canisters had been stolen. Some were later found in local markets and in villagers’ homes. “We saw people using them for milking cows and carrying drinking water,” says Ibrahim. The looted materials could not make a nuclear bomb, but IAEA officials worry that terrorists could build plenty of dirty bombs with some of the isotopes that may have gone missing. Last week NEWSWEEK visited a total of eight sites on U.N. weapons-inspection lists. Two were guarded by U.S. troops. Armed looters were swarming through two others. Another was evidently destroyed many years ago. American forces had not yet searched the remaining three.<more>


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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20030521/ts_nm/iraq_un_nuclear_usa_dc_3&printer=1
U.S.: IAEA Team Could Inspect Iraqi Nuke Site
Wed May 21, 3:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States proposed a joint investigation with the International Atomic Energy Agency of Iraq (news - web sites)'s Tuwaitha nuclear research center after reports of looting and a mission could go in a week or so, a U.S. official said Wednesday.

The Vienna-based IAEA earlier said Washington had offered a limited return of its inspectors to Iraq two months after they left on the eve of the U.S.-led war, but gave few details on the nature of the offer or the timing of a return.

"We are making arrangements with the International Atomic Energy Agency to conduct a joint inspection of the safeguarded storage area near Tuwaitha. Details and timing are not set yet but we're looking to do this as soon as arrangements can be made," said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher.

Asked how quickly a team might go to Iraq, where the IAEA has said a nuclear contamination emergency may be developing because of the reports of looting at Tuwaitha, a senior U.S. official who asked not to be named said "maybe a week." <more>

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2003/may/21/052108859.html
May 21, 2003 at 6:47:39 PDT
U.S.: Barrels Missing From Iraq Nuke Site

Some 20 percent of the known radioactive materials stored at Iraq's largest nuclear facility are unaccounted for, and U.S. nuclear experts have found radioactive patches on the ground where looters dumped out barrels believed to contain hazardous materials.

However, a senior commander said the great majority of the dangerous waste at the Tuwaitha nuclear complex was still secure and was not leaking radiation.

<snip>The dormant Tuwaitha plant, once considered the heart of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program, has been repeatedly trashed by scavengers. It hasn't been operational for years. The Iraqis had been using it to store declared nuclear materials that were prohibited and sealed by the U.N. nuclear agency.

While the sprawling complex was considered one of the top sites where evidence of weapons of mass destruction might be found, it was left unguarded for days during the war. By the time weapons teams showed up to inspect the facility, so much had been destroyed that it was impossible to know what was missing.

<snip>The IAEA has been sharply critical of the U.S. handling of the site. U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday he would be willing to let members of the IAEA back into Iraq to assist them at nuclear sites. He couldn't say when or how the IAEA teams might work there, but said their previous knowledge and expertise would be welcome.

It was the first time U.S. officials have said the IAEA would be able to return to Iraq and was likely to be seen in the arms control community as an acknowledgment that the Americans need help. <more>


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,960445,00.html
US dirty bomb fears after nuclear looting
Wednesday May 21, 2003

<snip>However, the apparent disappearance of radioactive material from Tuwaitha - the Iraqi nuclear research centre near Baghdad sealed by the UN after the last Gulf war - after looters ransacked its network of bunkers during and immediately after the recent war, has caused alarm at the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Earlier this week, the agency's director, Mohammed El Baradei, said he was "deeply concerned" by the reports from Tuwaitha.

According to some of those reports, uranium was simply emptied on to the ground from metal containers, which were then taken for domestic use, such as milking cows.

IAEA officials are concerned that the uranium could fall into the hands of terrorists who could use it to build a so-called dirty bomb, whereby conventional explosives are used to scatter radioactive nuclear material.

The Pentagon had opposed the return of UN inspectors, believing that they would interfere with its own investigation, but Mr Rumsfeld indicated yesterday that that opposition had been dropped.<more>


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http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/topoff_reportcard030516.html
Ready for the Worst?
Sober Lessons Learned From Weeklong Terror Drills

W A S H I N G T O N, May 16— More than 1,000 people would have died of disease in Chicago and untold numbers would have been poisoned by radiation in Seattle had this week's national dress rehearsal for a terror attack been real — and some experts say that shows the United States isn't ready for the real thing.

"I think you can rest assured that this thing wasn't an absolutely flawless execution," Phil Anderson, a senior fellow and director of the Homeland Security Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told ABCNEWS.

<snip>In Seattle, hundreds of people would have been injured or sickened after a mock radiological or "dirty" bomb went off. Communications between emergency agencies were pushed to the limit. It took an hour and a half for four surrounding counties to find enough buses to transport residents around the disaster zone and to safety. Despite the delay, Ridge praised the local officials who role-played by setting up an alternative bus network so that residents could move around the community without being exposed to "radioactivity."

The government had trouble quickly putting in place a system that could reliably track the radioactive plume from the supposed dirty bomb.

"We learned that we can get resources in Seattle to the scene," said Ridge, who oversaw the exercise. "But I think we also learned we may need to get them there quicker, and act upon that information quicker.

<snip>"Really we have to get policy makers deciding how they're going to answer some of the big, tough questions," he said. "When do you call in the military, whether you call in the military at all? What is the situation with respect to quarantine? And what impact does that have on the civil liberties of the American people?" <more>

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. - G. Bush, 10/7/02

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http://www.sierrasun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030718/OPINION/307180301
July 18, 2003
Bush's actions don't match the rhetoric
Guest Column by Kirk Caraway

<snip>Turn back the clock to the before the war. You "know" your enemy has 100-500 tons of chemical weapons, and you know where he is likely hiding them. Wouldn't you try to secure those sites as quickly as possible? After all, these chemical weapons posed a major threat to our advancing troops, and the big danger, they said, was if these fall into the hands of terrorists.

So why wasn't this done? Special Forces teams were flown into Iraq to secure the oil fields, but not the weapons. That speaks volumes about what the real reason for the war is.

And those weapons are still missing. Rumsfeld claims they are doing their best to search all those sites, but this is disconcerting. How many days have his 150,000 soldiers had to search the sites they already know about?

And what about the nukes? If Bush and his people really thought that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program, why did the military wait for more than a week after taking over the region to even visit the country's main nuclear research facilities at Tuwaitha?

Why did they wait even longer to visit the neighboring Baghdad Nuclear Research Facility? Both sites were heavily looted, so if there were plans for a nuclear bomb or even some weapons-grade material, it would be long gone by now.<more>

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http://www.counterpunch.org/schwarz07172003.html
July 17, 2003
Bush's Pre-emptive Strike Doctrine
The Bane of Non-Proliferation Watchdogs
By MARTIN SCHWARZ

<snip>Bush's use of the specter of nuclear threat to legitimate his intimidation policy can also been seen as just another excuse if reports from occupied post-war Iraq are taken into account. When the reports about massive looting in Iraq's biggest nuclear facility Al-Tuwaitha emerged after the war, the U.S. administration rejected the IAEA's request to send inspectors to that facility for more than a month. El-Baradei didn't even get an answer to his letters to U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Meanwhile, strange things must have happened in Al-Tuwaitha: The IAEA in Vienna received several phone calls from U.S. soldiers based at the facility to secure it, who didn't know what to do with nuclear material they had found.<more>

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030716_192.html
U.N. in Dark About Looted Iraq Dirty Bomb Material
July 16
By Louis Charbonneau

VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog said Wednesday it had accounted for most of the low-grade uranium lost during looting at Iraq's main nuclear facility, but had no information about more dangerous radioactive material.

<snip>But an IAEA spokeswoman said the agency had not been permitted by U.S. occupation authorities to check the status of Tuwaitha's stocks of highly-radioactive cesium-137, cobalt-160 and other materials which could be used in dirty bombs.

"There were around 400 of these radioactive sources stored at Tuwaitha," IAEA's Melissa Fleming said.

Witnesses have said that villagers near Tuwaitha, especially children, have shown symptoms of radiation sickness.

"Any case of radiation sickness would probably be from these highly-radioactive sources, not from the low-grade natural uranium at Location C," Fleming said.<more>

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http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm
Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?
TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Posted on Thu, Jun. 12, 2003

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip>The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes?

The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip>And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing?

Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.

How could an administration that had hyped the danger of Saddam handing off nuclear materials to terrorists let Tuwaitha be looted? Maybe the hype was just hype ... or maybe the Pentagon didn't send enough troops to Iraq to do the job right.

Either answer is damning.<more>

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http://www.sierrasun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030718/OPINION/307180301
July 18, 2003
Bush's actions don't match the rhetoric
Guest Column by Kirk Caraway

<snip>Turn back the clock to the before the war. You "know" your enemy has 100-500 tons of chemical weapons, and you know where he is likely hiding them. Wouldn't you try to secure those sites as quickly as possible? After all, these chemical weapons posed a major threat to our advancing troops, and the big danger, they said, was if these fall into the hands of terrorists.

So why wasn't this done? Special Forces teams were flown into Iraq to secure the oil fields, but not the weapons. That speaks volumes about what the real reason for the war is.

And those weapons are still missing. Rumsfeld claims they are doing their best to search all those sites, but this is disconcerting. How many days have his 150,000 soldiers had to search the sites they already know about?

And what about the nukes? If Bush and his people really thought that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program, why did the military wait for more than a week after taking over the region to even visit the country's main nuclear research facilities at Tuwaitha?

Why did they wait even longer to visit the neighboring Baghdad Nuclear Research Facility? Both sites were heavily looted, so if there were plans for a nuclear bomb or even some weapons-grade material, it would be long gone by now.<more>

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,1056483,00.html
Saddam's nuclear arsenal? A scattering of yellow powder
Villagers sell deadly uranium to the US army at $3 a barrel
Patrick Graham in Al Mansia
Sunday October 5, 2003
The Observer

Dhia Ali makes a throwing motion as he tells how he dumped out the blue barrels of powder. The nine-year-old and his brother, Hussein, weren't looking for weapons of mass destruction when they went into the low brown buildings, known to UN weapons inspectors as Location C, near his home last April. They just wanted the blue barrels.

The yellow cake powder they poured out and breathed into their lungs - a form of natural uranium - was part of the nuclear programme which, the Iraq Survey Group's recent report claims, somewhat vaguely, was being restarted before the last war. The report won't do much for Dhia or Hussein - they haven't even been examined by a doctor yet.

<snip>The report's claim that Iraq was revamping its nuclear programme in such a way that it could constitute any serious threat was described as 'ridiculous' by the scientist. By 1991, when the he left the programme, Iraq had succeeded in producing no more than one kilogram of enriched uranium - 6 to 14 kgs short of a bomb. By 1997, the programme had been exposed and most of its capabilities destroyed. <more>

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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:44 AM
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15. Thank you, Stephanie!
I remember some of these articles too, especially the stories about the kids who had been exposed to radiation when they dumped the toxic contents out of barrels and then used the barrels for water, etc. It was horrifying--both for the injury to the villagers and the total loss of control over dangerous materials.

But I'd forgotten the name Tuwaitha. And missed a lot of other articles apparently. So these are very welcome reminders.

From the first, I could never understand why the looting (whether of nuclear sites or the National Museum) was shrugged off by BushCo*--it made no sense. Given their normal behavior, though, I shouldn't be surprised that they at least affected unconcern about it.

And if they didn't know about this (which I doubt), it can only be that they didn't care enough to ask. Which is worse.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:55 PM
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11. This is GREAT. Makes it THE issue of the week.
And Bush is going to LOSE
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:59 PM
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12. Evidence (from an inbred freeper even) that the whole thing is crapola
To: Timeout
I can't find this story on the Internet except on Drudge.

Shouldn't NBC have this story linked on their nightly news?

The newsman was Miklaszewski the Pentagon correspondant, but I don't see anything.

Does anyone have a link?

663 posted on 10/25/2004 8:55:04 PM PDT by Snapple
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scoopmeister Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:12 PM
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14. Campaign Extra -- even the date iis wrong
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16. KICK (nt)
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