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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:14 AM
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The "other" shoe has fallen !!! (are we shaking yet?)
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 01:15 AM by Tesibria
Ok -- sure you all have been watching the whole debunking of the NBC debunking of the NYT report.

Well -- here's that "second shoe" they promised to drop today.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41106

Discovered papers: Hanoi directed Kerry Recovered Vietnam documents 'smoking gun' researchers claim

The first documentary evidence that Vietnamese communists were directly steering John Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War has been discovered in a U.S. archive, according to a researcher who spoke with WorldNetDaily.

One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.

Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.

Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam era, told WND the new discoveries are the "most remarkable documents I've seen in the entire history of the antiwar movement."

"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause."
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ah man.... THIS is the best they can do?

ON EDIT: The Freeps have been wetting their pants in excitment about this ALL night !!!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:16 AM
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1. WorldNetDaily
Come on. We've already locked one of these garbage threads tonight.

Corsi is a lunatic with NO credibility. It's a non-starter.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:17 AM
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2. It's Worldnetdaily. A far less reputable source than
the National Enquirer. There's really no point in even discussing this.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:17 AM
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3. Thats non news.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:17 AM
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4. Ever consider the source?
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:17 AM
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5. Consider the source, Jerome Corsi
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

of the Swiftboat Veterans for Slime
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:18 AM
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6. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! CORSI is the BIGGEST LIAR this world has ever seen
He's also the biggest racist women-hating bigot with the foulest mouth and mind. And did I mention he is THE BIGGEST LIAR EVER???

Oh and there's NOT ONE MENTION of John Kerry on his "SMOKING GUN" document.

ROTFLMAO!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:32 AM
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18. And no VVAW
Or did I miss it? What were those two groups they mentioned, not sure I've heard of them. And Corsi, was a nut job. :crazy: With out wonderful media though, I wouldn't be surprised to see this reported as god's truth in the morning.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:18 AM
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7. Consider the source and the source of the source.
'Jerome Corsi'

'nuff said.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:18 AM
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8. WorldNet Daily?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 01:20 AM by RoyGBiv
Give me a break ...

I wonder how long the editorial meeting lasted. Run with this or the one about Kerry fathering space aliens intent on taking over the planet. Had to be a tough call.

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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:19 AM
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9. I think most reasonable people
know now that those Vietnamese communists were never our true enemy. We had no business fighting with them anyway. The only people excited by this are the mouth breathers who scream "OH THOSE TERRIBLE SCARY COMMUNISTS". Of course--I guess the same reactionaries that are afraid of the terra-ists probably were afraid of the commies in their day.

The commies never came and got us--they never would have. Why do republicans have such a knee jerk response to people who just believed differently?
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:19 AM
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10. i KNO i KNO
but they (freeps/SBVs) have been SOOOO excited about this all weekend -- this, they think - is the "big thing" ...

... and .. it is SOOO incredibly pathetic -- which is why I posted it -- b/c saw other people had seen the freeps and were wondering what the big story was .....

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:22 AM
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14. Freeps are excited by naked goats ...
You do know that My Pet Goat is a Freeper porn flick?

WorldNet Daily is my source. ;-)

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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:20 AM
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11. Articles like these are like Mad Libs
They just have to add the words "Communist", "Flip Flop", "Jane Fonda", "Liberal" and "Vietnam".

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:21 AM
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12. Hmmm...
... World Net Daily and Corsi together in just one article? Seriously silly.

Too bad there are people who will think this is "news." More evidence that a substantial portion of the American public are bone-deep stupid.

I didn't look at the linked article. Did Corsi provide the document itself that he claims is "remarkable?"

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:35 AM
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21. Yes, no, ummm ...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 01:37 AM by RoyGBiv
There's a link to *a* document, which is nothing, and there's a link to WinterSoldier, which has a summary and a link to "the first document," which is long and ambiguous. I haven't read it all ... don't have the mental strength to do it right now, but so far, it's nothing really odd. Assuming it is genuine, it's a translation of directives on how to use anti-war sentiment to the advantage of the Vietnamese communists. Again I haven't read the whole thing, but it appears that Kerry's name gets plugged in because an organization of which he was a part is mentioned in a generic way, i.e. not specifically but as a grouping of kinds of organizations. It also talks about unions, meaning anyone who was a member of a union in 1971 could be implicated using the same chain of logic.

It's the kind of thing that people who think Swift Boats is gospel will find compelling. Otherwise, unless some MediaWhore(tm) finds a way to spin it, it's empty of any meaning pertinent to Kerry.


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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:43 AM
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24. As I figured...
... third-party association construed as collaboration.

Nothing new for Corsi and his ilk.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:21 AM
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13. The 'other shoe' puh-lease
WND is as reliable as the b*sh admin. They will be bandied about by Rush et al, but they have no real footprint.

PS - the freeps always wet their pants, they're too drunk to find the bathroom.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:26 AM
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15. "but it's the next thing to it"
Didn't he mean the next BEST thing to it?

Kerry was a secret agent for the VC! and he has a sheet of paper to prove it! Conveniently, it just so happens that the same guy with the paper is one of the all time Kerry haters! Who would have guessed?

The trouble is that these shits will be after Kerry for the next 8 years , unless the sues them for investigates their tax returns or something.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:30 AM
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16. zzzzzzzzz
:boring:
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:41 AM
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23. Thbbbbbbbahhahahaahahahaahhah!!!
Ho hum
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:31 AM
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17. Two words missing from that document: "John" and "Kerry"
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:32 AM
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19. Blog fog is all it is
It came from here via Newsfax

BREAKING NEWS: Kerry’s OTHER Meeting with the Vietcong!

http://la4israel.org/wordpress/

About half to 3/4 of the way down.

WARNING: Other stories and pix on here will make you barf. It is a rightwing blog after all.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:34 AM
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20. WND
WND = Republican Tabloid Trash :puke:
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:39 AM
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22. Hold it... the OTHER shoe?
Are you telling us that this delusional pig of a Freeper, Corsi, has removed both of his shoes without giving a warning?

:puke: :puke:

What a nasty October Surprise that would be.
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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:45 AM
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25. That was really nice of the North Vietnamese ....
to write those documents in English
so us Americans can read them too ...
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:53 AM
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26. you always know it's in the home stretch of an election
when the republicans come out with that crap. You also know which side is desparate. What's next? Kerry is a member of Al Quida?

These last minute desparate BushCo smears makes me all the more confident that John Kerry will be our next president.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:06 AM
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27. IMO this crap proves Bush's internal polls show they're in trouble. n/t
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