Here's the 2 October Surprise smear efforts alluded to by a Freeper

[Ruffhowse]

post yesterday. Both look mighty weak to me. I think they did a lot of work for nothing. Silly Freepers.

http://www.nysun.com/article/3756

http://www.nysun.com/article/3775

[are_we_united_yet]

1. This is much bigger story than

1)explosives weapons cache fiasco
2)No WMD
3)Plame
4)Abu Ghraib
5)9/11 accountability
6)etc.

and it is so relevant to todays issues.

[papau]

2. LOL :-) "Potential Plagiarism" "Alleged Hanoi anti-war control"

And the NY Sun published -

Not the NY Post?

Fox will have fun, no doubt - and we can laugh at Fox - Again!

Credibility is not important to the GOP and friends given Bush's lack of same!

:-)

[Stephanie]

4. The NY Sun is WORSE than the Post

They are admittedly rightwing, that is their whole mission. They are the Fox News of print.

They GIVE them away here. Very few takers.

[Ruffhowse]

6. Ha ha! They GIVE them away? What a joke! Not even worth using as

toilet paper. Must really suck to be employed by them, knowing your at the journalistic bottom of the barrel.

[liberalmuse]

3. Whoever dubbed Rove a 'genius'?

What an insult. He's no genius. Rove is where he is because he will crawl inside any shithole and pick out the kernels, wipe them off and put them on public display as if they were the crown jewels (see: 'Bush'), but some people know better. These stories are laughable. The freepers sure get off on the most inane, insignicant tripe, don't they? 380 metric tons of explosives walk away from a sealed bunker we're supposed to be guarding, but look! 40 years ago some commie leader approved of Kerry's anti-war protests, so that means Kerry was working for them, I guess. These people are insane, and they're dragging the planet down with them.

[ET Awful]

5. So let me get this right . . . they want to bitch at Kerry for ALLEGED

plagiarism when a key aspect of their justification for going to war was a British report plagiarized from a college students term paper (re: the 45 minute capability)?

Do I have that right?

[evilqueen]

7. Yeah

And they wanted to crucify Rather over forged memos, but ignore the going to war on the basis of forged documents (niger uranium).

I guess if the result ends in people getting killed, it's not as important.

[requiem99]

8. Someone link us to the Freeper thread on this. I want to see some ravings.

[eaprez]

9. How come......

the mindset of Bush supporters is that we don't/shouldn't/won't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks of how we conduct ourselves when it comes to pre-emptive war yet on the other hand its imperative to consider that U.S. Citizens exercising their civil rights - influenced someone we waged war with 40 years ago. Either we care how our actions influence other countries or we don't - they can't have it both ways.

[sam sarrha]

10. Sooo....Kerry can't copy the TRUTH, but Bush can LIE his FUCKING Ass off.!

[requiem99]

11. Both of these issues are complete non-starters and here is why:

First the Hanoi issue: OF COURSE THEY APPROVED. This isn't Logic 101 folks, any way the troops would pull out was in their favor, so naturally they wanted to Vets against the war effort to succeed.

Second, the so called 'plagiarism issue': First a quote from the article:

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Six of the passages come from Mr. Kerry's 1997 book, "The New War: The Web of Crime That Threatens America's National Security." All bear some similarity to news accounts that preceded publication of the book.

In one instance, Mr. Kerry wrote, "Russian mobsters have been arrested in Germany for extortion, car theft, counterfeiting, prostitution, selling drugs and illegal weapons, and smuggling everything from icons to uranium."

A 1993 Philadelphia Inquirer article, written by Barbara Demick, said, "Suspected Russian mobsters have been arrested in Germany and charged with extortion, car thefts, counterfeiting, prostitution, gambling, and selling drugs and illegal weapons. They have been caught smuggling everything from religious icons to uranium." Mr. Kerry's book contains endnotes but makes no reference to the Inquirer story.

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They're trying to say that because one single sentenced here and there bears remarkable similarity to a single sentence written years before in a newspaper article constitutes plagiarism? The answer is very simple: No it doesn't.

[LoZoccolo]

12. The Republicans look favorably at Ralph Nader!

Therefore, they are ultra-liberal "environmental wackos" who are even more socialistic than the Democrats!

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