Do you feel that our country is too far gone to recover ?

[kentuck]

Too far gone to recover a decent economy? Too far gone to recover respect around the world? Too far gone to recover a trustworthy election? Too far gone to recover our democracy? Or is this our last chance to save our country from the awful calamity about to beset us if the people make the wrong decision on election day? Is there still time to save our nation from the radical policies of the fake-conservatives? Is John Kerry the man to recognize the magnitude of crisis our nation is approaching? Is John Kerry capable of leading us out of this dark jungle into which George Bush and the radicals have led us?? Is our democracy really in danger?

[mmonk]

1. No

but the last chance to really change direction is approaching.

[spanone]

2. No, but four more years would just about do it. VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

[kikiek]

3. Only if this admin gets another 4 years. Big trouble then.

So many people can't look at what they are doing in this administration with clarity. They are still caught up in 9/11, and can't fathom that our country could make any mistakes. That is the most dangerous part of this in my opinion. The blind allegiance that is going on.

[LuminousX]

4. No, it may take a generation, but no.

Take a Bene Gesserit view of history.

[LisaLynne]

5. No.

No, right now, I think we can recover and I think we can become the better for it, as a people and as a country. But, that depends on who ends up in the WH for the next 4 years. I think the very fact that * is voted out will send a message to the rest of the world that he did not speak for us, the American people, and we, as Americans, did not endorse his policies and we are all idiots, warmongers, and dangerous, mean fools.

Granted, there are a lot of serious problems that will have to be dealt with. I personally do not begrudge Mr. Kerry the job he will be facing, but at least with him in the WH, we have a chance of going in the direction we need to go.

All I can hope is that we will not see a Kerry victory as a resting point. We still need to move forward, to go on with our fight. There is damage to be undone and even after that, there is progress that must be made. I hope that the * administration has shown us that there are those in this country who do really want to destroy our democracy and don't care if they ruin the entire world and countless lives, as long as they're in power and making money. That is the lesson we can't afford to forget.

[kaitykaity]

6. Only if the BFEE manages to steal another four years.

If that happens, then yes, it's all over. Stick a fork in us.
We're cooked.

[ewagner]

7. No

But the amount of work President Kerry will have in front of him and his administration is staggering.

He will need the help of DUers at every step along the way to keep things moving back into the right direction.

We (the children of the '60s) can't do what we did when Nixon resigned. We thought we won the battle once and for all. We didn't. We've learned our lesson though and know the truth that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[calico1]

8. It is not too far gone. But I really

believe this is our last chance. Should Bush* get back in the WH our only chance that the country doesn't go totally in the shitter is that he thinks of his legacy, or has people advise him to do so. But I would seriously doubt that would happen.

[Blue_Roses]

9. Good grief no.

I look at how far my parents came when they were kids living in the depression and surviving WWII. No way. We just new leadership and we also need to continue to stay on their butts.

[demwing]

10. You Can Rage Against Progress

But progress is the productof time, it can not be defeated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1171767

[kentuck]

11. Good quote !

Thanks.

[OneBlueSky]

12. no . . . but it's gonna take time, and Kerry is going to need . . .

the best minds he can find to help him navigate the huge piles of Bushshit that will be left behind . . . hope people like Bob Rubin and Bill Clinton are up for it . . .

[MsAnthropy]

13. We as a nation are resilient

We can and will survive and flourish. We survived Nixon. We survived Reagan. Look at the progress that was made under Clinton. We can do it again.

[kentuck]

16. I think our nation is in a worse condition than when Clinton took office..

We had the computer technology in the wings and something to assist our nation to get back on the track. I don't see the same opportunity this time around. I am not very optimistic that we will recover as quickly as under Clinton. Kerry will do his very best but he will not have the tools to work with or the waiting technology that helped us thru the '90's...Progress is going to be very slow, I fear...

[MsAnthropy]

26. You're right, it will be slow

it will depend alot on what kind of Congress he gets, also, if he can get anything done at all. I just think that a change in attitude will do so much to move the country forward, if Kerry, like Clinton, emphasizes hope and progress, instead of this constant barrage of fear and ignorance and hatred we've been subjected to for four years. The country's so beaten down emotionally that no change can take place until we recover the ideals that the country was built on. I think we can do it.

[goddess40]

14. Germany made a come back from their fascist and we can too.

It may take a while but we can do it. The real question is will the middle and lower class idiots that are voting for * ever appreciate what the Dems do for them?

[XanaDUer]

15. No.

But like others here, I believe we had better get Bush out before too much damage is done that cannot be repaired.


If our country can overcome the Civil War, although we are still scarred by that civil conflict even now, we can undo all the damage the current bunch of bastards have inflicted.

Another four years of *, however, will dig us into a hole that may be almost impossible to get out of.

[RafterMan]

17. Yes. I see

1970s redux -- inflation, oil crisis, gloom. But we could still pull a rabbit out of our hat.

[soothsayer]

18. Never!

[donhakman]

20. The facts are too horrible to discuss

I bought into all the typical micro arguments about WMD's, Imperialst war mongers, the scourge of religious fundmentalism and where is bin Laden but I kept asking myself, "what is the larger issue?".

The larger issue is that every system in our civilization is dependent on oil and every component in this civilization from agriculture to zoos face a decline that will be unprecedented in recorded history.

Dissecting issues that seem to have the element of human control give us all a foundation of hope. Yet there is no hope of extending the current supply of cheap energy. Even with the possible advent of exotic new power sources I forsee civilization shrinking back to oasis' of modern convenience.

As the four horsemen destroy life as we know it, the instituions of extreme wealth desperatly desire a police state that will "manage" the hungering hoardes. The new technologies of crowd control will amount to a modern equivilent of pouring boiling oil over the castle walls. Eventually the seige will reach deep within the castle keep and claim even the most wealthy noblmen and women.

There are hopeful plans for the coming changes but as for now media has decided that our concerns are crowning the boy king again, Laci Peterson, showing democracy on the march in the middle east and the Survivor series finale.

[Protagoras]

19. Within 4 years of it I fear

nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Not yet. It will take ten righteous years to make us solid again though

Ten years is nothing to people in many parts of the world. It will take ten years of hard work healing the hatred, ending the distortion, restoring integrity to our institutions, redressing the skewed balance of power in America; governing wisely from the top, fighting for change from the bottom. That's if Kerry wins. If he loses it will take another ten years, twenty total, to undo the damage an 8 year Bush Presidency would cause our nation. Assuming we had enough real freedom left to prevail against a stacked deck in 2008.

[donhakman]

22. 20 years

I know only a handful of people who recognize the gluttonous oil party is coming to an end. For most people 20 years down the road does not exist in their world.

[leftofthedial]

23. yes and no

no. the economy can recover

no. we can recover respect around the world

as for elections and democracy, I don't know. The corporations have us in a death grip and the religious wack jobs don't care about anything but ensuring Armageddon during their lifetime. half of murkans are mentally ill, delusional and/or downright evil.

yes. our democracy is in danger.

[bushwakker]

24. talk to me 11/3

[RafterMan]

25. That's the answer I should have given

"Stay on target..."

[Nordic]

27. sadly, yes. We're in damage-control mode now

that's honestly how I feel.

It sucks

[davhill]

28. Kerry will have to gain the trust and respect

Of even those who voted against him. We cannot go on as divided as we are as a nation.