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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:36 PM
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Kennedy blasts Bush on Iraq, Campaigns Fiercely for Kerry: Kerry Anti-War?

Kennedy’s fierce campaigning for Kerry combined with his comprehensive and blistering attack on the Administration’s use of “misguided ideology and distortions of the truth” to take the nation to war, should be sending a clear signal to liberal and anti-war activist: don’t keep our great peace activist out of the anti-war camp.


Kennedy is stumping in the frigid climes of IOWA and New Hampshire for John F. Kerry even though, like the most of us anti-war democrats, he may have been disappointed at Kerry’s IWR vote. But he accepted Kerry’s decision based on his long record as the “Tough Dove” – fiercely opposing the corrupt use of American military force, but unflinching when he though force was absolutely necessary. Kennedy has said he viewed Kerry’s vote as not a vote for war, but a vote for U.N. enforcement. And Kerry and he had aimed to reach the same goal: – a peaceful resolution of the Iraqi tragedy.

John Kerry could have voted “no,” and held to his leadership of the anti-war base among Party activist. But, for reasons of presidential politics, national policy, as well as concerns for precedent, a “yes” vote on the Iraq War Resolution could be seen the RIGHT VOTE for Kerry, presidential candidate and Senior Senator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The following is my take on why John Kerry, the man of peace, took a fateful vote that allowed his opponents to label him a man of war. It is time for anti-war democrats to give Kerry another look.

The Policy Factor

For more than a decade Kerry had broken with liberal non-interventionism and argued for a proactive U.S. foreign policy to address world humanitarian crises, WMD proliferation, and global terrorism. In his book, “The New War,” (1997), Kerry pulls together insights from 3 terms on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a decade as Chairman or Ranking Member of the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations. He argued forcefully for a realignment of U.S. military and intelligence posture to defend against new threats to U.S. global interests and national infrastructure and called for urgent preemptive executive action, warning: "It will take only one mega-terrorist event in any of the great cities of the world to change the world in a single day."

On the campaign trail Kerry stated the policy position that led to his difficult IWR vote:


"Americans deserve better than a false choice between force without diplomacy and diplomacy without force.
We need to take the third path in foreign policy – not a hard unilateralism or a soft isolationism – but a bold, progressive internationalism – backed by undoubted military might – that commits America to lead in the cause of human liberty and prosperity.
If Democrats do not stand for making America safer, stronger, and more secure, we won't win back the White House – and we won't deserve to."

-- John Kerry, December 16, 2003


The Weight of Precedent

John Kerry led the anti-Vietnam war movement not as a pacifist, but as a war hero who, after 6 years in combat, came to question the morality of U.S. military tactics and the justice of American policy for the region. Since Vietnam, Kerry has supported the principled use of force and has backed U.S. military ventures, in Bosnia, Kosovo, Panama, Somalia and Haiti. In Bosnia, Kerry supported covert action to oppose “ethnic cleansing.” In Kosovo, he went further than the Clinton administration, arguing (on the side of NATO Supreme Commander, Wesley Clark, incidentally) that ground troops should remain as an option for stopping former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's violent crackdown on the Serbian province's ethnic Albanian majority.
Precedent regarding Saddam Hussein could not be clearer. While, Kerry opposed the main resolution authorizing force in the Persian Gulf in 1991, he has since criticized both former President Clinton and his successor, President Bush, for missed opportunities to return inspectors to Iraq to end the risk of Iraqi WMD proliferation.
In 1998 Kerry joined John McCain to argue for forceful and effective action, covert or otherwise, to enforce U.N. inspections or remove the Saddam regime. In a Feb. 23, 1998 press release on the Iraq dilemma Kerry stated:

“This is the first issue of proliferation in the post Cold War period. It is imperative for us as a nation to stand our ground and for the Western world to make it clear that we cannot allow by any nation to possess and use those kinds of weapons.”
Given this precedent, a vote against Bush’s September, 2002, Iraq War Resolution, in this post-9/11 national security environment, would have exposed Kerry to a charge of enormous hypocrisy and partisan demagoguery.

Presidential Politics

Since Jimmy Carter lost to Reagan over the Iran Hostages, Dovishness has spelled doom in national political campaigns. Clinton chose Gore over Kerry as his 1992 running mate, reportedly because Kerry had opposed the first Gulf War while Gore had joined the Republicans to support it. Clinton had to compensate for his weak-on-defense image.

Curiously enough, Kerry opposed the Gulf war because he saw U.S. militarization of the region as a potential long-term disaster. Kerry had led the investigation of the Reagan/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld duplicitous involvement in the Iran-Iraq War during the 80's and saw that the Gulf conflict was not just avoidable, but a war that should be avoided.

Al Gore, supported by a few conservative democrats such as Governor Dean, voted for that War: a war that desecrated the Muslim Holy Lands, turned the formerly pro-U.S. Islamic radicals into Anti-American Jihadist and led more than a decade of death and tragedy for people in the region. But that vote for war qualified him to be Vice President of the United States.

Kerry, the Senator, could have voted NO to register his distrust of Bush regime intentions. Kerry, the Presidential Candidate, had to give deference to the word of the sitting President and consider Democratic vulnerabilities in ’04. He had to vote “YES.”

In voting “yes” on the IWR Kerry said he had to trust the President of the United States when he said that war would be “a last resort”. He may have been very wrong to do that, but the time of the vote, in a substantial, thoughtful speech on the Senate floor, Kerry said he would strongly opposed any unilateral movement to war and that he did not believe that Saddam’s threat was yet imminent. He kept is word and faithfully led opposition to unilateral action during the U.N. debates, Bush’s “rush to war,” and the administration’s duplicitous and inept foreign policy.

Conclusion

Given his record of fighting for peace, I find it truly infuriating that so many democrats are willing to make vicious remarks regarding Kerry’s IWR vote. Infuriating because these remarks show so little consciousness of the U.S. role in the region, so little guilt regarding complicity in the Iraqi tragedy, the millions dead, the abominable poisons that fell on the enemies of Saddam with U.S. acquiescence -- and for U.S. geopolitical goals. It is infuriating that these newly minted minions of a newly reborn peace-marcher can see only black or white. They cannot understand that, as much as it was atrociously criminal to do what the Bush did in 2003, it may have been just as evil to do nothing, but maintain people-punishing sanctions while the multi-decade reign of atrocities of “our man in Bagdad” continued. There was a better way, different from the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld way, and that is what John Kerry voted for.

John Kerry has been handed the lot of a fighter for most of his adult life. With his vote for the IWR Kerry risked his presumptive right to lead a campaign for which he as prepared for a lifetime -- a campaign to overthrow the Bush regime.

At the same time, John Kerry knows that that same vote, in which he gave a republican President the benefit of the doubt, could be part of a necessary armor against the republican onslaught, should he, against all odds, end up as the standard-bearer for the Party in the ’04 election.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:42 PM
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1. "could be part of a necessary armor..."
That armor is being paid for in lives. 20,000 and counting.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:48 PM
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2. I disagree that it was political. He consistently held that Saddam
needed to be held accountable. If Bush had implemented the IWR as written, there would have been no use of force. Just as in Biden-Lugar, however, use of force was meant as last resort.

Blame Bush, not the resolution.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:57 PM
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3. It's always political
sorry blm,I blame anyone that voted for that travesty.

Ask relatives of the dead if they care whether it was political or not anyways.

If it makes you feel better though I'd still vote for Kerry based on his past record,but this vote pisses me off more than I can even put into words.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:30 PM
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5. I Kinda Agree. But in the 80's I was Total for Getting Saddam When Bush
was supporting atrocities against the Kurds and Iran.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:34 PM
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12. How can be blame politicians for having political considerations?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:33 PM
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14. I find it easy when so many are dead
:shrug:

We dont elect politicians to run for re-election.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:02 PM
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4. Kerry opposed Bush's Rush to War. The IWR was to push Bush to UN not War
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:55 PM
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10. "necessary armor" is my opinion. And remembrer. Kerry opposed the war.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 04:26 PM
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16. I think this is probably the case. A no vote on IWR looked Pro-Saddam
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 10:49 PM
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19. A no vote on IWR looked Pro-Saddam
A yes vote has lead to 20,000 plus dead.Wouldn't it have been better,for his damn soul if nothing else,to look "Pro-Saddam"?

What you're saying is that he put his political appearence before human lives.That's not leadership...it's cowardice.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:47 PM
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21. Some people were just as concerned about the danger of Saddam
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PatrickS Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:35 PM
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6. Bizarre, hmm
The deep freeze must be affecting Ted's brain.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:44 AM
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11. Hey Teddy is the best. He has earned the right to push his man.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:36 PM
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17. Thanks, I agree with that and all of us should
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 06:48 PM
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7. Monarchs have "presumptive rights" Senators do not.
Your attempt to spin a vote for an illegal pre-emptive war based on lies and outright manipulation as an act of courage and valor is flatly absurd.

If we must succumb to the killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians in order to preserve our legitimacy as national leaders, we should hang up our cletes and go home.

I understand that John Kerry believed Saddam to be a threat. He was by no means alone in this misconception.

On the other hand, many Senators, like Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and Robert Graham saw through this and spoke eloquently in opposition to this policy. They also appeared to be able to see through the manipulation of the Bush* administration. A well reasoned analysis of the facts at hand left no doubt to give this administration the "benefit of".

To my mind this vote was a poor choice. I wrote Mr. Kerry and told him as much before the vote was cast. Accordingly, I will support another candidate.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:33 PM
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8. Can't we get over the IWR vote issue. Bush is the Real Enemy
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:48 PM
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13. No problem at all
I was only responding to the OP.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 10:26 PM
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18. I don't see it that way. Looks like a thoughtfull post. Let's see some

good policy discussions from Dean supporters, please.
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 11:10 PM
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20. Congress did not vote for war
"vote for an illegal pre-emptive war"

The resolution was not a vote for war, it was a vote to authorize force in Iraq if the President met specific conditions. Read it:

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/text/1010res.htm

Bush misled the Congress and American people (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html) and claimed that the conditions of the resolution had been met.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:09 PM
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9. Kennedy KNOWS John Kerry
I hope Kerry wins but I will abide by whoever the choice is at the end of it all. Stop bush.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:15 PM
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15. Heard Bob Kerrey Going to IOWA to Campaign for Kerry. Confirm?
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-04 02:44 PM
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22. Kennedy on C-Span Now with Kerry.
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