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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:20 AM
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ARG....Kerry Ahead by 3 points in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania
John Kerry and George W. Bush remain tied among all voters nationwide, with Kerry at 48% and Bush at 45%. With Ralph Nader on the ballot, Kerry is at 47%, Bush is at 44%, and Nader is at 2%. Among likely voters, Kerry is at 47% and Bush is at 46% in a two-way ballot and Kerry is at 46% and Bush is at 46%, with Nader at 2%, in a three-way ballot. See the results among registered voters from the October 2-4 survey at 2004 Presidential Ballot.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:21 AM
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1. Good News!
:-)
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:22 AM
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2. in CO also according to Zogby
Kerry 49% - Monkey 45%
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:34 AM
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8. Kerry is ahead by 4 points in Colorado?
According to a reputable poll? That's news to me. Damn!! If he wins Colorado, odds are, he will win the big enchilada.
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pabloseb Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:07 PM
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9. Actually, it's 1 pt in CO

Zogby did have Kerry 4 pts up in CO in his tracking poll, but yesterday it was Kerry 1 pt up.
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:22 AM
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3. Which means he's ahead by a lot more.
Folks, speaking of my home state, PA, Kerry is even ahead in very conservative Central PA.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:24 AM
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4. This poll has been considerably favorable towards Kerry
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 11:24 AM by LiberalStance
all along, but good news is good news :D
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:25 AM
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5. CNN has * ahead in FL by something like 7 points. The polls are
all over the place. Nuts.

But, are a couple bush*-leaning outlier polls going to be enough for bus*h to demand recounts? Or to claim fraud? Could this be a Rove set-up?
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:37 PM
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19. because of 8% oversampling of repubs
nm
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:25 AM
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6. Very good news
BTW, he's actually up 2 in Ohio. But a lead in all three states, even if it's within the MOE, is excellent at this point. There's another poll out today that has Kerry up 2 in Florida as well.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:26 AM
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7. If this is true the national polls will never matter
although they never did in the first place.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:08 PM
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10. Wisconsin tied
Yesss....
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:23 PM
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13. Given the polls that have Wisconsin tied.
Are polls that have been shown to poll more republicans in general, Kerry probably lead in Wisconsin

If you look at thebulk of the polls that showed Bush leading in Wisconsin, the most recent, Zogby,showed Bush with a 2 percent lead( but remember Zogby's polls during the pre-nomination season, Zogby was completly wrong with his numbers about Kerry and Dean with his polls showing Dean and Kerry far closer than the actual voting reflected. While others had Kerry with double digit leads over Dean in the 11 days before Iowa, Zogby had Kerry and Dean only one or two points apart, and even his New Hampshire numbers showed the two democrats nly a few points apart when the actual results were again, far wider. Zogby's polls did not start coming in line with the other polls until after New Hampshire. While I like Zogby's analysis, his numbers frequently have been off this year, and his polls generally start following others when the trends in the others become obvious)

But the two polls before Zogby showing Bush witha 5 point lead in Wisconsin...Strategic Visions, that Faux subsidiary.

The one before that...CNN/Gallop giving Bush a 6 point lead.

Aside from Zogby, the most recent poll (from last week) showed Kerry and Bush tied in Wisconsin. That was of course, the only poll I am starting to trust. That is ARG. They are one of the few pollsters who are using actual figures based on the averages of DemocraticVoters and Republican votes in the last three presidential elections.

The problems I am having with Zogby is that Zogby does not seem to be cold calling voters, but actually gets the people he polls by having people sign up on his web site, and then contacts them. There would be little to prevent large numbers of Republicans from signing up for Zogby's polls and this could effect his polls as well. ARG just calls people from various lists (old voters registrations lists, or just plain phone lists).In fct, If you go back one week to the 18th, you have two Strategic Visions polls, One CNN Poll, One ARG poll and One Mason Dixon poll and one Zogby poll. Somore than half of the polls which indicate that Bush is leading in Wisconsin are polls done by Republican leaning pollster. Gallop so discredited that dozens of articles have been written criticising the methodology. Strategic Visions...openly Republican.Mason Dixon, another pollster who oversamples REpublicans and extremely undersamples minority and younger voters. So we Have Zogby,ARG, and the whatever poll you are referring to.

The two pollsters I trist the most are ARG and Ipsos Cook. Then to some degree Zogby, who regardless of his polls, has stated that he beleives that Kerry will win the election in the last two weeks.

Anyway, ARG is at least the pollster who uses the most balanced methods, at least using some sort of percentages of Democrats and Republicans that resembles the voting patters of the last twenty years.

They were closest in reflecing the results of the democratic nominations during the primaries. Lets hope they are closed to the figures for the election
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:29 PM
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17. Zogby has had mixed results w/ his statewide polling
I recall that Zogby predicted Hillary was far behind in her Senate race in 2000, and also that the Democratic candidate would win the CO Senate race in 2002. Those are just a few examples. He's been focusing more on electronic polling this time around, and I don't believe that's been tested yet.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:34 PM
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18. Electronic polling is too subject to
freeping

Akll you have to do to be polled by Zogby is to click onto his application to be polled on the website. Then you get sent a link to youe email address, and cliks on that and start doing the polls online. It is not all that much different than going directly to a poll onCNN or MSNBC and answering, only you have to answer a lot more questions.

Then I beleive he bases his telephone polls on call he makes to people who have signed up online. It is really just one step removed from an online poll.

I think we did something likethat here on DU a week or so ago, where Zogby had an online link on his website and you could just directly answer from that link. You had to fill out form and then could go stright to the poll. In fact I think the DU post that directed people to Zogby had an effect on that poll, as this occured on a day when Zogby had Bush way ahead of Kerry, and rthe next day after we all voted, the polls showed Kerry and Bush running dead even, so it seemed really easy to have a major effect on Zogby by simply having a bunch of DU'ers alerted that Zogby was polling at that exact time and a bunch of DU'ers went over and answered. With 55,000 Du members, if only one percent of the people registered withDU went over to Zogby's website at that time and responded to the poll, there would be over 500 responses for Kerry in a few minutes.

If you get rid of a few of the obviously Republican slanted polls, many of the states wher they claim Bush is a bit ahead of Kerry fall right back into the Kerry column.
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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:09 PM
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11. State polls are what matter right now.
Actual Votes matter on Tuesday.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:27 PM
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12. it looks promising
we're defending IA, WI, and NM for 22 evs
they're defending FL, OH, NH, AR, CO, VA and NV for 84 evs
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:25 PM
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14. Ding! Marmalade or butter on yours?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:25 PM
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15. If this is true, the other swing states should go Kerry's way too
and he should win the popular vote by a good margin.
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:27 PM
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16. And Survey USA shows him up by 8 in PA!!!
Holy crap! And I added the internals and it was 362 Republicans to 284 Democrats as well! Also shows him up by 3 in Ohio!
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