Do you guys know what the latest "Hitlery" scare tactic is?

[Goldmund]

Rush, Sean and the rest of those ghouls spent most of this year theorizing how Hillary and Bill won't let Kerry win because their secret agenda is to sink Kerry now so Hillary can run in 2008.

Well, now that Big Dawg came out for Kerry yesterday in PA, and that both Bill and Hillary are obviously busting their asses for Kerry -- now, the story is that they want Kerry to win so he will make her the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court once Renquist is gone.

Hitlery will come and rip the babies from your wombs! She will make you gay!

[Randi_Listener]

1. More dogshit

From the Shitstains.

[Mizmoon]

2. Hillary came over to my house

and put radioactive waste in my toothpaste.

True story.

[tomfodw]

3. She came over to my house

and put toothpaste in my radioactive waste.

True delusion.

[Mizmoon]

15. Hillary came over to my house once

and put all my mice in the blender.

True story.

[cheshire]

4. I hope their brains don't explode coming up with new ones everyday.

[efhmc]

5. The world is not kind to strong women, especially the right wing world

of the USA. Unfortunately the idea that women are still less than men includes many here, especially those who think that the term b-slap is just slang that is okay because it conveys a street term for hitting up on someone and doesn't really mean anything derogative toward women. Take it from this 61 year old gran and mother of 2 daughters, it does.

[Goldmund]

8. I'm with you as far as your general observation

But couldn't disagree more that the choice of words has anything to do with it. Some people have come to different conclusions about the value of word origins to their present connotation in language, as well as the power of the speaker to mold the words' connotations by his or her context in speaking.

[efhmc]

10. Thanks sweetie, but am guessing that you are a guy and as such

don't really have the right to an opinion here. Just as I, as a white woman, do not have the right to an opinion as to the use of nasty terms for different races (you know the words I am talking about). I can say that they are "street terms" and as such are accepted but they still have the power to harm and to put people in their place and as such are not needed or necessary, especially here. Would you teach others it was okay to use these terms. I think not. In East Texas in the early 50's, my mother taught me it was wrong to use racial terms for black people. She went against the norm. Just that fact taught me that all people should be treated equally and with respect and that includes speaking to and referring to them in decent and deliberately respectful terms.

[Goldmund]

13. Thanks sweetie, but I don't derive my right to an opinion from your...

...permission.

And let me add that the very idea that being a member of a demographic can bestow or take away the right to an opinion is absurd and totalitarian.

[efhmc]

17. A male, as I suspected. That explains it all to me. Life has given you the

right to always be right without understanding another person's viewpoint. I am teaching my young male grandsons a different way to look at life. (Their parents who are both feminists are doing the same.)

[Goldmund]

18. Ridiculous

First of all, I _am_ a feminist.

Second, it kicks my ass that you would accuse me of "being right without understanding another person's viewpoint" -- since just a second ago you told me that I don't have the right to an opinion.

Third, which is the viewpoint I don't understand? The one that words born in bigotry can only have bigotted effects -- a point with which I expressed my disagreement, but which we never discussed -- or the view that I don't have the right to an opinion?

[efhmc]

21. You have the right to an opinion and I have the right to disagree.

I am saying that you have no understanding of how it feels or what it means to be in the shoes of a person who is belittled or ridiculed because of who they are or what they are or how they look, etc. If we can't agree on this, there is no place else to go. We might want, desire, empathize with those who are different but we can never really know what they feel and/or going through and to try to say that we do is condescending and to me just plain wrong. You do not understand what it like to be a woman in this society, no matter how much you might empathize. The same goes for me in all areas where I am not alike with that person or group.

[Goldmund]

26. How incredibly closed minded of you

"I am saying that you have no understanding of how it feels or what it means to be in the shoes of a person who is belittled or ridiculed because of who they are or what they are or how they look"

And you know this how? Just from my gender? No male knows what it's like to be "belittled or ridiculed because of who they are or what they are or how they look"? You don't know where I come from or the story of my life in general, so please don't extrapolate out of thin air, cool?

Second, my opinions on this subject are rooted in, among other things, the belief that we are all first and foremost humans, and that our experience of the world is based on our human consciousness and our common humanity -- no matter what context our respective cultures put is into. Incidentally, the same belief makes me a feminist, an anti-nationalist, or anti-racist. To claim that one can only have opinions that pertain to their own demographic is tantamount to building walls and distances between people. It is esentially CONTRADICTORY to the message of tolerance you claim to represent.

I simply expressed an opinion about the role of words, and the restrictions on their use; you disagree, and you have the right to -- I never suggested you didn't -- but the reason for your disagreement was your assertion that I have no right to an opinion. And you have no right to determine the scope of my rights.

[HuskerDem]

19. Thanks efhmc for how you are raising your family

And you are right. I often wonder just how long equality will take. We're certainly nowhere near it yet.

[efhmc]

23. You know a great, great deal of the credit goes to my SIL who is an

avid feminist and will never raise his sons to be anything but the same. I am so entirely thankful for him in so many, many ways, Plus he is just a lovely person.

[Cocoa]

6. also, Bill is going to be UN Secretary General

I think that one was reported by UPI. (Moonie news service)

[Homerr]

25. ...and Kerry will defer to Bill "UN" Clinton on everything.

/sarcasm

[Zuni]

7. their obsession with Hillary is mind boggling

and they are idiots

[AlCzervik]

9. the reason you hear the GOP and the lunatic rightwing radio people

invoke her name is for one reason only....money. they send out things to their bases, pamphlets and emalis that have her name on them and then the sheep send the rnc money.

[rl6214]

11. That's just

ridiculous!!!

[wadestock]

12. They're getting a lot of mileage out of the Hillary for President line...

How the hell did it start in the first place? I'd probably give el Rushblow most of the credit for carefully planting this under people's skin. It seems to resonate well with the "libs will take our guns away" crowd.

No matter how Hillary has answered such questions Limblah would have found a way to twist it to say she was leaving the door open. He plays his audience like a fiddle with his fake chuckles and "what if" scenarios.

[demokatgurrl]

14. The Clintons are very powerful people-

responsible for so many things that go on in the world- I think even the flu vaccine shortage and the FL hurricanes are Bill Clinton's fault. He does all these things so Hilary can take over the world.

[kaitykaity]

16. My liberal tinfoil hat mom thinks that this is what

Kerry should do just to piss them off.

We were plotting the other night about '08 and '12, and
Mom says in '12 it'll be Edwards/Clinton, and I said no,
Edwards/Obama.

Then her little evil eyes gleamed and she said, "Wouldn't
it be great if Kerry named her to SCOTUS?"

:tinfoilhat:

[eataTREE]

20. I never heard of a Senator being appointed to the SCOTUS.

In order to be appointed a Supreme Court Judge... don't you have to be, like, a judge?

I think the best thing about Bill and Hillary is that the mere invocation of their names sends Freepers into drooling spasms of fear.

[antigone382]

22. Imagine what they'll be saying about Mama T in 8 yrs

I think the RW talking heads have realized they have to change their tactic, so they don't scare poor little freepers into voting for Kerry. See, most freepnuts view Bill and Hillary as Public Enemy #'s 2 and 1 respectively (apparently the fact that Hillary forgave her husband for his transgressions, instead of leaving him in the dirt, somehow makes her a cold, crazy b-word. Gotta love that fundie freepnut irony). So, if the poor little freeptards think that, if Kerry isn't elected this year, Hillary will be elected four years from now, you might be able to convince them to vote for Kerry, just to keep the Clintons out of the White House.

It's stupid logic, yes, but look at who we're dealing with here.

[efhmc]

24. Whatever works with those nuts for brains folks.

[antigone382]

27. My thoughts exactly n/t

[Goldmund]

28. I KNOW!!!

Not only does she seem to give even less of a shit for political etiquette than Hillary, but she's a furriner to boot! She'll become their new she-devil for sure.