Sister in Law says she is on the fence

[umtalal]

She claims that historically they never voted out a president during a war!!! She is history major and thinks she is the cat's meow in term of intellect. I strongly reminded her of what the next forty years will be for her daughters if God forbid George Bush takes over.

I am peeved and insulted by her stupid claim of history. HELP!!!

[rl6214]

1. Why the next 40 yrs?

Is there any significant reasons for 40 yrs instead of 20yrs or 60 yrs?

[umtalal]

11. nope, no significant difference. I just threw the number. Why do you ask?

[rl6214]

14. I didn't know if you were

maybe talking about the possible Supreme court appointees or something else I may be missing. Or if you just meant to put 4 more years. Thanks.

[umtalal]

23. I was thinking of the supreme court. I am posting with out thinking. sorry

[rl6214]

27. I've been worrying about

the exact same thing. I just couldn't imagine the possibilities of who could be appointed or what could happen if the wrong person is appointed.

[Pirate Smile]

2. Johnson didn't even bother to run because he probably

couldn't have gotten his party's nomination.

[skylarmae]

3. anyone still on the fence need a butt full of splinters. Maybe that

would jar their brains back up to the cranium where it belongs!

[Oreo]

4. Tell her

historically no president has given a tax cut during wartime either.

There are lots of things Bush has done to break from history.

[displacedtexan]

5. Does she want to die in childbirth or carry a rape child to term?

She'd better get off the fence or forever hold her... knees together.

(If she's post-menopause, there are other questions to ask her.)

[umtalal]

9. She is in her late thirties. married to a heavy republican.

I told her her to face it, she is like her husband.

[denverbill]

6. President-for-life Bush then for her.

If she considers this a 'war', then he's got her vote for life because the 'war on terror' will never be won, ever.

[umtalal]

7. I asked loud: What WAR????

[denverbill]

19. 'Wars' require armies.

'Wars' have POW's, not 'enemy combatants'.

As someone else pointed out, LBJ would have gone down to a resounding defeat if he'd run again, which is why he deferred. His VP, Humphrey, was soundly defeated, even though his election would have ensured a high degree of continuity in the Executive branch.

[WI_DEM]

8. This is not a real war, it is an undeclared war

it is a war in terms that the "cold war" was a war and Ford was not elected during the cold war and Carter was also defeated during the cold war. LBJ refused to run becuz he knew he probably couldn't win.
This is not a war in the way WWII or WWI were declared wars or even the Spanish American War.

[ciaobox]

10. Tell her to watch "Mosh"

http://www.gnn.tv/videos/video.php?id=27

[omnithrope]

22. Oh, please... watch an Eminem vid for political news? Read a book, instead

Give me a break.
Make her read the newspaper, or a book.

[umtalal]

25. LOL, She lives in the Bay Area and thinks the San Franc. Chronicle is

badly written because it is left of left. Mind you, she claims the San Diego paper is well written. I have not a clue what she is talking about because I don't read those publications on regular basis.

However, I answered Good we need more balance in the media. It is tilting too much to the right. that made her eyes come out of their sockets.

[dennis4868]

12. tell her that....

no prez decided in the middle of a war to stop fighting the war (i.e., Aghanistan)to go and attack a country full of oil in the middle east.

[progressivebydesign]

13. Humorous approach?

Or.. Try the humorous approach, As I'd explain to my girlfriends who were on the fence: 'you know those women who stay with a guy no matter what? the ones that know he's messing up, know he's bad for her kids, bad for her bank account, and yet she stays with him? The ones that annoy the hell out of us? You're being one of them. Sometimes you just gotta break up with the man. It's time to break up with George Bush. He's trouble.

[RoyalWickedness]

21. Good answer!!

[henslee]

15. Don't even waste your energy. Feel lucky you caught a glimpse

of who she really is. And when there's a family crisis, don't expect any level headedness.

[umtalal]

18. You are absolutely right. But the woman claims to be a Dem. NOT

[calmblueocean]

16. Tell her no civilization in history has ever cut taxes in a time of war

If she says she doesn't want to change horses midstream, tell her this horse is headed downstream towards a waterfall.

[Killarney]

17. They would have voted out Johnson if he had run

but he had the sense to step down when he knew it would harm his party to run.

Yes, we didn't vote out Nixon, we impeached him instead. :)

[RoyalWickedness]

20. Your SOL is correct in her historical assumption,

that a sitting President has never been ousted during a time of war. You might remind her, however, that no previous President has taken this country to war preemptively and illegitimately and then fucked it up completely.

[dolstein]

24. Harry Truman and LBJ both decided not to run

With all due respect, your sister is an idiot. The fact that no president has been voted out of office is somewhat dubious, given that Truman and LBJ both came to the conclusion that they could lose if they sought reelection. Moreover, why the HELL should she base her CURRENT voting decisions on what PAST generations have done? It seems to be that she is using her somewhat dubious interpretation of history in order to cloak her own laziness.

[umtalal]

26. No due repect needed. Once she claimed this is a war I knew she was one.

She is a sell out. I told her to come out and admit she is a conservative. You should hear her talk about affirmative action and the white students. I mean the woman reeks with racism. Oh, and she says, they don't hire whites for middle eastern studies!!! Can I hit my head against the pillow.

[LSK]

28. ask her historically, which leaders lie about invading countries

Bush lied plain and simple.

[girl gone mad]

29. major combat operations are over.

Or hadn't she heard?

[gavodotcom]

30. Push her off.

Tell her that no president has ever cut taxes in a time of war.

Then call it even.

[osaMABUSh]

31. This War was caused by a Pres to call himself a War President

I don't think the Iraq War qualifies as a "can't defeat a wartime president" nonsense. We all know Bush started this was for other reasons than defense of our country.

If you want to call the War on Terror the war we are fighting then I guess Bush would have to pres. for ever as terrorists will always be here.

[killbotfactory]

32. He fucked up the war! He's a damn failure.

He started a war. No evidence to justify the war. No exit plan. No post-war plan. No way to pay for it. And he pissed of nearly the entire world in the process. He deserves to get fired.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Honestly? Put your energy somewhere else.

Run through some of the obvious ones, but.. look, you said she's in the Bay Area- California is voting for Kerry. Presuming she's not voting absentee in Ohio of Florida, her vote, while important, is nothing like a deal-breaker. And it's my experience that some of these last minute "Ummmm... I Just can't make up my mind" or "I'm still leanin' towards Bush" people are just trying to get attention. I'm sorry, but the fucking information is there for everyone to see. Fiscal Responsibility? Running the gummint like a business? How about The largest deficit in US History. Or Look at the stock market, in the shitter. Keeping us safe? Competent foreign policy? Try a War based on false pretenses that is deteriorating on a daily basis. Massive amounts of explosives missing from Iraq, not because of an honest screw up, but because someone "didn't bother" (again!) to adequately plan.. Hell, they didn't even pretend to plan for this thing... Meanwhile the whole world hates us and Bush's dunderheaded policies have been the best recruiting ad Al Qaeda ever could have wished for. I'm not even going to get into areas like the environment or how this government is turning social and legal policies over to a bunch of religious right 1500s throwback fanatics.

The incompetence of this administration is so widespread, so obvious, so dangerous, and so CRIMINAL, that anyone who can't see it one week out from the most important election of our lives, well, I hate to say it, but they may be a lost cause. If she was in a swing state, I would say bust your chops trying to convince her otherwise, but we're going to cream Dubya here in the bay area. I say, if it comes down to beating your head against the wall with her or doing canvassing somewhere like Nevada, just let her cast her little protest vote and grind her axe.. There's bigger fish to fry.

[umtalal]

34. her and her rw husband living in the bay area is poetic justice for me.