Freeper meltdown over Civil Union

[AnIndependentTexan]

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Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions
The New York Times ^ | October 26, 2004 | ELISABETH BUMILLER


Posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:21 AM PDT by ruralgal


President Bush said in an interview this past weekend that he disagreed with the Republican Party platform opposing civil unions of same-sex couples and that the matter should be left up to the states.

Mr. Bush has previously said that states should be permitted to allow same-sex unions, even though White House officials have said he would not have endorsed such unions as governor of Texas. But Mr. Bush has never before made a point of so publicly disagreeing with his party's official position on the issue.

In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday.

According to an ABC transcript, Mr. Gibson then noted to Mr. Bush that the Republican Party platform opposed civil unions.

"Well, I don't," Mr. Bush replied.

He added: "I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Mr. Gibson then asked, "So the Republican platform on that point, as far as you're concerned, is wrong?"

"Right," Mr. Bush replied.

Mr. Bush announced in February that he supported an amendment to the Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage, and said at the time that the union of a man and a woman was "the most fundamental institution of civilization." He acted under enormous pressure from his conservative supporters, who had lobbied the White House to have the president speak out in an election year on a matter of vital importance to them.

But Mr. Bush also said at the time that states should be permitted to have same-sex civil unions if they chose.

Mr. Bush has sought to walk a careful line between pleasing conservatives who oppose same-sex marriage and not alienating more moderate voters who might see bigotry in his views. Mr. Bush's support for civil unions and his opposition to his party on the issue is in part an effort to reach out to swing voters, whom he needs to win on Nov. 2.
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I'm not sure what to make of this. This is the first I'm hearing about it.

1 posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:22 AM PDT by ruralgal
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I don't believe this. The NYT is really going full boar trying to smear the President.



5 posted on 10/26/2004 5:08:37 AM PDT by GopherGOPer
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Bush has ALWAYS said that this should be left up to the states. Why? Because all states so far oppose civil unions, and have voted against them. That's the reason activist judges are overturning the laws...

He saying let the PEOPLE choose what they want - and since they overwhelmingly want marriages between men and women only, it becomes a enfranchisement issue.



6 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:14 AM PDT by dandelion
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Taken out of context! He would refuse to sign a civil union law if he were still governor & TX were to pass one. BUT HE BELIEVES STATES HAVE THAT RIGHT IF THEY CHOOSE.

The media is lying, in their sneaky way. But do I expect them to flash a neon warning sign over their lie? HA HA HA! Good one!

NO, WE have to ferret it out for
OURSELVES.



205 posted on 10/26/2004 7:34:24 AM PDT by txrangerette
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Huh? Bush said it. I agree with him.



212 posted on 10/26/2004 9:54:52 AM PDT by conserv13
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exactly right - leave civil unions "alone", because if we bundle them into the gay marriage opposition battle - its a sure loser for our side.



220 posted on 10/26/2004 10:53:32 AM PDT by oceanview

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. They sure do melt down a lot.

They need more and better meds, methinks.

[joanne]

3. the mother of all freeper meltdowns.......

is going to happen next Tuesday.

:party: :party: :party: :party:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Why Don't You Go There As A Poseur

and write that Bush is going to divorce Laura and hook up with Matt Drudge...

You'll get a twofer...

[skylarmae]

7. I didn't think the bible thumpers were supposed to do drugs.....n/t

[PopSixSquish]

8. Exactly - When Don't the Freepers Meltdown Over Something?

It was amusing at first, now it's just sad.

[Connie_Corleone]

11. I was about to post the same thing. LOL!

nt

[newscaster]

2. flip flop!!!!!!!

:pals:

[Renew Deal]

5. Fucking hypocrites

I wonder if they will be banned. This is from the knuckledragger rule book.

"We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc."

Cmon RimJob, ban them all.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

6. FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP

!

[ruggerson]

9. thank god he didn't come out against incest

half of em would have shot themselves

[captainjack]

10. he's going to mention it once and never revisit it

MARS, anyone? Eliminating the IRS?

the man really doesn't hold to his word...um, EVER.

btw, why are freepers blaming NYT for this? charlie gibson did the interview on ABC! these people have no shame, no sense of reality.

[BUSHOUT]

12. I don't want to out anyone

but my trolldar was going off reading that freerepulsives thread!

Masterful trolling!

[Carla in Ca]

13. What am I missing here?

What happens to the hate amendment? I know it didn't pass earlier but he wants it. Wouldn't that amendment override state's laws?
Where is the outrage from his conservative cronies? Why would he say this now?
I hope this is a HUGE mistake for him.

[cubsfan forever]

14. You mean like all of

his other huge mistakes, right? This is so great watching those pompous morons come apart at the seams.

Professor 2

[Keirsey]

15. sort of off topic...

Is love a choice?

Steven Rea's character in "The Crying Game"?

Gates McFadden's character in the Star Trek episode, "The Host"?

[cubsfan forever]

19. That's odd,

I was responding to #13, who said it was a huge mistake. Perhaps you didn't read that? And yes, your response was definitely off topic--you know, like: "Will Red Sox sweep the Cards?" or "What is the mean temperature in Antarctica in December." I suggest you read the whole post before responding.

Professor 2

[Supersedeas]

16. Well Charles, I was just POSTURING to the base...momentarily

Credibility?

Integrity?

[drscm]

17. When are they going to learn that *bush's only motivation is political

expediency. I doubt if he has any "moral" convictions at all.

And I'm tired of this "activist judge" crap. They certainly had no problem with the activist judges who unconstitutionally put this idiot in power. After Kerry is elected, I think that they should be impeached as a first order of business for putting our country through this trial.

The second order of business would be bringing DeLay up on ethics charges and, this time, effectively deal with him.

And my list could go on and on and on....

[lanparty]

18. Flippity, Floppity ...

Kerry needs to get the flip-flop ads produced and run these in conservative swing states.

Bush's endorsement of civil unions will keep the fauxndamentalists from going to the polls!!!! The Bush flip-flop can help negate some of the old "Kerry flip-flops" stuff in swing voters mind.

Bush's #1 job has ALWAYS been playing to his base. This was their strategy. Now they FUCKED UP. And if Kerry doesn't help Bush undo his own strategum, he's s fool!!!!!