The Bush Campaign is playing the old "internal polls" game

[Skinner]

Apparently the Bush Campaign is getting desperate. Hit with a flood of bad news this week, including a bunch of disappointing tracking polls in the media, they have to do something to reassure nervous supporters. So it looks like they're shopping around their "internal polls."

Posted by Jim Geraghty at National Review Online, just this afternoon:

Just heard from a source close to the campaign, tuned in to the conversations at the highest levels.

According to the Bushies, the last few days have seen a huge burst of momentum in their numbers.

They think Bush is ahead by a few points nationally. They expect the next round of tracking polls to show a bit of a bump.

More...

http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200410281407.asp

For what it's worth, I asked a source over at the DNC about this. The source, who just happens to also be "tuned in to the conversations at the highest levels" tells me that the Kerry campaign's polls are not showing any sort of Bush surge. In fact, they're showing precisely the opposite.

[fishface]

1. The Bushwits are clinging to any hope and figure that if

they make this shit up, their voters wont stay home knowing they were wasting their votes.

[caraher]

50. They're just laying the groundwork...

for bogus post-election charges that the Democrats "stole" the election after Kerry wins.

[MallRat]

2. Reality control has its limits.

Manipulating internal polls to improve perception among the loyalists should be pretty effective...

...until November 2nd.

-MR

[JLucas4092]

3. This is great....

It's gonna be a landslide!

[MidwestTransplant]

4. I love it. Leak fake news.

If they are that good, they should take a victory lap to California. They only reason they are in Michigan is to try to flip it in case they loose FL which they must obviously think is quite possible.

[debatepro]

5. nice intel

great scoop

[WI_DEM]

6. Good

If we turnout we win.

[cubsfan forever]

7. Can you smell the

desperation in the air wafting from the Fascists? They really must be afraid or they wouldn't be poll shopping at this late date.

Professor 2

[WilliamPitt]

8. Bush campaign claims sky is blue. Entire nation looks up to make sure.

Film at 11.

[tomfodw]

27. Not the entire nation. Just the corporatized media whores

[Kierkegaard]

29. LOL!

verah nahce...verah nahce, indeeeeed.

[MallRat]

9. This little passage gives it away.

Apparently, they don't believe in the "undecideds-break-for-the-challenger" theory. Or at least they're pretending not to.

"Undecided voters appear to be breaking Bush’s way - some days he has a slight lead, other days it’s right around 50-50. (Note this would be considerably better than the 1/3 calculated that Bush needs here."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

-MR

[Eurobabe]

As Donna Brazille said on Inside Politics, "the breeze they feel

is John Kerry and John Edwards blowing past them...."

HAHA!!!

[Cha]

19. THat's a good one from

Donna!

[DireStrike]

21. Sitting in the fetal position, rocking back and forth...

Eyes closed, fingers in their ears, saying "It's not real... it's not real..."

THE AMERICANS HAVE COME FOR THEIR COUNTRY!

[Kierkegaard]

31. A very short fairy tale...

Once upon a time, there lived a little bushy tailed squirrel named George. He was a very powerful little squirrel with a bad complexion and a temper to match.

One day while little George was busying himself thinking up some last minute tax cuts for his really really rich friends, the Raccoonigans, there came a knock at the door..."knock, knock, knock."

"Who is it? Who's there?" asked little bushy tailed George.

"It's democracy. And your ass is mine, beyotch!"

And they all lived happily ever after.
The end

[Goldmund]

10. Say it ain't so!

I saw that claim earlier today. And I found myself reacting to it the same way I reacted to "the Russians took it!" and the "We be fearsome terraists, vote for Kerry!" video tape -- which is nearly pissing my pants laughing. My coworkers are starting to think I'm going nuts because every few hours I can't help but laugh at each desperate stunt they pull.

[GingerSnaps]

11. They are grasping for straws Skinner

Feel sorry for them they have nothing left to go on. :evilgrin:

[Wat_Tyler]

12. The wounded beast has been cornered.

Now it'll throw everything it's got at us. Thankfully, it isn't much.

[David__77]

13. I recall Dan Lungren "behind by 3" right before being crushed.

These "leaked" internal "polls" are worthless.

[59millionmorons]

14. This line says it all

"According to the Bushies, the last few days have seen a huge burst of momentum in their numbers.

They think Bush is ahead by a few points nationally. They expect the next round of tracking polls to show a bit of a bump."


This sounds to me that they are confirming they are behind and that they are trying to keep the rats from jumping ship.

[lancdem]

36. And if Bush were "surging"

wouldn't tracking polls show more than "a bit of a bump"? Frankly, I think the tracking polls are underestimating Kerry's support.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. if anything movement to Bush must be stalled and frozen

I don't see him above 48 in ANY real poll.

[Cocoa]

16. they're even talking about Bush surging among blacks

my mind was boggling listening to Pat freaking Buchanan talking about the black vote last night.

[ET Awful]

28. Yes, but surging towards you like a mob in a Frankenstein movie

doesn't count Pat :)

[KharmaTrain]

17. Douchevak Was Doing The Same In His Column

Ya know...the one he writes that outs CIA deep-cover agents and is Rove's virtual handwritten column.

His spin is that the Kerry campaign is getting desperate in battleground states and the "internals" have Bunnypants all but assured re-selection.

I can't wait for this dirtbag to blow another hip.

[Teaser]

18. It will seem to be true though...the weekend effect.

The Bushies know that Friday night, Saturday, and sometimes Sunday are their best days for polling, and this is often reflected in the polls. So they suspect that there will be a "bush bump" coming soon, one that is completely an artifact, but one that will probably happen nevertheless. This way they can say "see, our polls predicted we would get momentum."

It is my great hope and desire that the effect is negligible, so that this piece of Bush spin also gets flushed down the shitter.

[cubsfan forever]

26. All they are trying to accomplish

is getting their now disintegrating base to the polls. Big deal.

Professor 2

[yardwork]

20. We know that everything bushco says is the opposite of the truth....

voila! Their internal polls show them tanking!

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

22. Internal Polls

Well, of course, you know that Fox News and CNN will carry those poll results on the news all day so that by 11:00 P.M. tonight they will be fact!

[newyawker99]

47. Hi MORONMYNAMEISDUBYA!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Tab]

23. This can backfire on them

Suppose the Bush supporters keep reading how ahead Bush is.

So they stay home, figure they've got it in the bag.... based on the spun polls.

Oopsie!

[AIJ Alom]

24. "Well our internal poll of freepers shows that the American people are 10

year old children and the majority of them will vote for W out of fear of the big bad wolves that are out there to do us harm."

[myrna minx]

25. This is faith based polling. Their delusions are showing. n/t

[SaintLouisBlues]

30. The "air of invincibility" didn't work four years ago

and it's not going to work now.

[sangh0]

32. It's the old

"bush* is gaining with black vote"

Yeah, right!

:crazy:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I Have A Serious Question...

If and when they actually show reporters these internal polls do they have made up numbers...

[foo_bar]

34. they're all made up numbers

Even the fixers have no clue how it's going to turn out. Will it rain in Nevada?

[troublemaker]

35. Skinner is a troll posting RW lies!

While you were posting this information I was finishing up writing and re-writing a series of intricate caveats for my post explaining why I thought it important to diseminate these particular RW lies and hoping to deflect the inevitable shouts of "troll!"

It seems I was worrying needlessly. (Or else you're a troll, Skinner... we'll see on election night I guess.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1201046

[West Coast Democrat]

37. Their "internal polls" showed a tight race in California (2000)

It was all over the media....Why was Gore taking CA for granted? etc. etc. Remember when Bush* campaigned there, talking about how he's a "Westerner" and how Texas is closer to CA than it is to Washington? (even though that's not true)

The Bushies are full of it!

[thebadsed]

38. Bush website blocking overseas access

see BBC article regarding georgewbush.com is blocking users from overseas

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3961557.stm

[newyawker99]

48. Hi thebadsed!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Bossy Monkey]

39. Works for me. So Republicans don't need to vote then? I think it's a great

idea!

[Plaid Adder]

40. OK...if these guys couldn't figure the no WMD...

...why should we believe their 'internal' polling would be any more accurate?

Seriously. Everything we know about them tells us they ignore any news that doesn't support their POV. So what fool of an 'internal pollster' is going to come back from the field and tell the Chimperor that he's going down in flames?

It is to laugh,

The Plaid Adder

[The Magistrate]

41. Indeed They Are, Mr. Skinner

And they are lying like a teenager with beer on his breath at three A.M. while they do so, because they must play out the string even though they know no chance exists anyone will believe them....

The "internal polling" that they pay good money for to professionals hoping for future employment somewhere or other will be telling them what the scent of the air in my nostrils tells me: President Kerry will win Ohio, Wisconsin, and Florida, and the national vote totals will be 52% for President Kerry, 47% for their cheerleader out of Andover, and 1% sundry others.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[LiberalPersona]

42. Let them do this

and set themselves up for an extreme let down.
I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of Bush supporters when they see the outcome of the election and Kerry gives his speech.

[misterphelps]

43. I take this as a good sign

If they had some ace in the hole (Osama, Jesus landing) they would'nt stoop to such small stuff.

Yep, I smell a bush burning.

[PATRICK]

44. LOL

The same internal polls leaked to Drudge on the eve of the 2000 elections showing Bush "winning" California? The same polls juxtaposed to the acutely, painfully accurate Democrat polling that was supported by few media polls? The same polling that showed Bush winning the popular vote?

The same BS. Fooled you twice America? Never even fooled them ONCE.

Any source taking these disreputable sources seriously has zero credibility for reporting the time of day.

[billyoc]

45. These leaked "internal polls"

Have the equivalent credibility of Fox News' famous "Some people say" prefix to whatever lie they're about to tell. The * campaign is torpedoing right into the ground.

This is the time to really turn it on, GOTV time. A wide margin of victory, nice long coattails for Kerry/Edwards to sweep in a few Senate/House Dems with them.

It's time for the 2 minute warning drill.

[NJCher]

46. you people are having entirely too much fun

Surge in bush's poll numbers? Makes perfect sense to me! Stories coming out of Florida about further disenfranchisement of African-American vote? Logic and common sese dictates that more African-Americans would therefore want to vote for Republicans. Sure it would!

Failed to provide security for weapons depot in Iraq? Explosives taken by insurgents and used to blow up American soldiers? That makes me feel safe. Bush will keep me safe and that proves it! So there!

Hallibacon under investigation? Whose Hallibacon?




Cher

[NewJeffCT]

49. Last week, didn't a Republican insider confess the opposite?

I thought somebody that was a Republican insider was very nervous as he confessed their internal polling was much worse than national polls.