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'The Stuff They're Claiming Was There, Was Not There' J$P Instant Transcript! Former 101st Airborne soldier Ken Dixon tells Hannity and Colmes about his search of Al Qaqaa. From Hannity and Colmes, October 27 2004: SEAN HANNITY : Joining us now with a very exclusive interview is former soldier Ken Dixon. He is with the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne who was at Al Qaqaa on the day of question. And Ken, first of all, thank you for all you do for your country. You guys were there; you’re the ones that took Baghdad, and we are in a great debt of gratitude to you. So thank you for being with us.
KEN DIXON : Thank you for having me sir.
HANNITY: All right, first of all, you were not the first one there as has been reported. I think this is important. About five days earlier as I understand it the 3rd Infantry was there, correct?
DIXON: Yes, sir. The 3rd ID rolled through a few days ahead of us, and apparently from what I’ve read they drew some fire from that area, so they were actually on that base that we stayed on.
HANNITY: All right. This is very important, because this has become front and central in the campaign. John Kerry is using a report from the New York Times to basically say the President failed to secure these weapons from this facility. You were one of the first people on the site. Can you tell the American people whether or not these weapons were there?
DIXON: No, sir, when we walked into the bunkers that apparently nobody went into, we were in those bunkers. There were no way, there was no way that there was 380 tons of explosives in those bunkers. What we found was conventional weapons such as regular RPGs, rockets, hand grenades, stuff like that. We’d seen that all the way up to Baghdad, and actually all the way up until Mosul.
HANNITY: Yeah. Now I also understand that Col David Perkins of the 2nd Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division, he is now on record with an interview with Fox News that it was almost impossible for this to have been loaded, and saying basically the same thing that you’re saying here. So here we have a situation, Ken, where you are your guys, you went in there, you’re doing your job, and now these allegations, basically, are being thrown out by John Kerry in particular. And I think it’s an effort to undermine the military on his part, purposely. There is no evidence showing that munitions are removed. Not a single piece from any newspaper, television or radio network, but yet he’s going around the country telling everybody that in fact that happens. How does that make you feel? Do you think that undermines our military effort?
DIXON: Yes, sir, it definitely does undermine the work that we’re trying to do in Iraq. He has no evidence of the claims that he is making. They don’t even have a date of when this could have happened. It’s been explained that it would be impossible for it to be looted from the time that they’re saying it came up missing. The stuff was not there when we were there, therefore it had to be taken out before we were there on April 10th.
HANNITY: Now you’re out of the military now, and I think this is important because you’re speaking as a private citizen here.
DIXON: Yes, sir.
HANNITY: But with the experience that you have, here’s the point. Would you want to say something to John Kerry? Because John Kerry is telling the American people, he’s contradicting everything you’re saying. You were there. He’s telling the American people what you’re saying is, I don’t know if you want to use the word lie, but he’s telling the American people something that you say is not true. What would you say to John Kerry if you had an opportunity to talk to him about what he’s now saying to the American People?
DIXON: To watch what he says when it comes to claims that are unfounded as far as soldiers in Iraq and them not doing their job. Because he’s running around making claims. There’s no proof of what he is saying. The soldiers see this and they take it personally. At least I did.
ALAN COLMES : Mr Dixon, it’s Alan Colmes. We thank you for doing the show tonight, sir. We thank you for serving as well.
DIXON: Yes, sir.
COLMES: But I have to differ with you with all due respect about what John Kerry is saying. Because John Kerry has not impugned the soldiers at all. He’s speaking out about the administration and their ability to safeguard the material. Never once have I heard John Kerry, and I’d love to see the quote that Dick Cheney has said that he’s accused John Kerry of the same thing, I’d love to see the quote that John Kerry ever criticized the troops. Are you aware of anything he said that you found personally offensive that’s hurtful to the troops?
DIXON: As far as for me personally, what I consider a personal insult to what I did in Iraq is the fact that he is now going around claiming that this stuff was taken behind our backs while we were in the area.
COLMES: What he’s saying is that the administration didn’t do a good enough job. He’s not accusing the troops. In fact, it’s been stated that the 101st Airborne, it was not their mission to look for those munitions. Do you agree with that? That has been stated in story after story about this; that was never the goal of the Airborne which was there for 24 hours, a pit stop as explained by both an NBC producer and a Fox News reporter.
DIXON: Yes, sir, it was not our mission to go through and search this area, but that doesn’t mean that we didn’t go through it anyways. There was a report on I believe it was the New York Times, where my Brigade Commander, my old Brigade Commander, had said that he had given an order not to go in these bunkers. We never got that order. We were in those bunkers, so there’s--
COLMES: Right, well your Commander, Joseph Anderson, you’re talking about, right, who is quoted as saying we did not get involved in any of the bunkers. It was not our mission, it was not our focus, we were just stopping there on our way to Baghdad. The plan was not to go in there and start searching. That’s what he said. Is that not accurate?
DIXON: That’s what I’m saying. It was not our mission to go in there and search. We were making a pit stop, and at the time we just happened to see these bunkers and go in the bunkers. The stuff that they’re claiming was there was not there, because I was in the bunker and saw what was in the bunker.
COLMES: But there are many bunkers. Weren’t there so many buildings as has been reported that there’s no way in the time that you were there, the 24 hours, you could have inspected every building and every area where munitions could have been?
DIXON: No, we didn’t inspect every building. That wasn’t our intent. We didn’t even know what this place was when we were in there. But the fact is that they’re saying that this stuff was there, when it was not there. The only thing that was there was RPGs, regular explosives, and hand grenades. Stuff like that. There was nothing marked by anybody from the UN. These bunkers were open; they were not sealed at all. There were maybe a few but all the ones that I saw were open.
COLMES: But how many of the buildings that were there did you see, what percentage of the buildings? How big is the place? I understand it’s blocks and blocks, dozens and dozens of buildings. How much of that were you personally able to see?
DIXON: Pretty much on the way in we got a good look around the whole thing. We were an anti-armor company; we were in the Humvees. We got a good drive around and then we parked in there. We saw a lot of the buildings; I don’t remember a specific count, we weren’t counting them or anything like that.
COLMES: But you didn’t get a good, you didn’t go into every building. You didn’t get a chance to see what was in every building. So honestly there’s a lot we don’t know about this at this point, wouldn’t that be correct?
DIXON: There is a lot that we don’t know, but the problem is, is that there is no proof that this stuff came up missing because we were there, or while we were there. It didn’t come up missing after we were there because I didn’t see any of it.
COLMES: Right, the job, though--
DIXON: I was not the only soldier--
COLMES: Go ahead.
DIXON: Yes, sir. I was not the only soldier to go in these bunkers. There were other soldiers. It’s just that they may not remember.
HANNITY: Ken, if there’s a lot we don’t know, then it’s wrong for John Kerry to call it a blunder, and wrong for John Kerry to say you guys failed to guard those stockpiles, if he doesn’t know the truth. That’s the issue here, and he’s got ads even claiming it. But you are a great American, thank you for serving your country. We are better off because of brave people like you. Thank you for being with us tonight; we appreciate your time.
DIXON: Thank you, sir.
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