100,000 Iraqis Civilians Killed...MSNBC just heard...Please verify....

[shelley806]

Lester Holt Live, just announced that the estimates of Iraquis civilians, including many women and children is much higher than previously announced. Did I hear correctly? 100,000 dead.

[vet_against_Bush]

1. Yes, seen it a couple of times, can't recall the source... nt

[rlev1223]

2. this is at yahoo news

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Iraq

[johan helge]

7. Kerry should talk about this

"The rise in the death rate was mainly due to violence and much of it was caused by U.S. air strikes on towns and cities." Kerry should talk about this - this is a very effective way of creating more terror against the US.

[shelley806]

8. Thanks rlev1223

I hope Kerry mentions this...this number is ugly.

[DieboldMustDie]

3. Around 15,000 according to Iraq Body Count

:shrug:

http://iraqbodycount.net/

[rlev1223]

5. They tabulate western news reports of deaths.....

very conservative count.

The new story is statistical, involves the number of total deaths in Iraqi families over a period of time, up to 100,000 more than similar pre-war period.

[krkaufman]

10. That's a different figure. IraqBodyCount.net is reporting on...

... direct casualties of military action; whereas this 100,000 number reflects the delta (change) in the number of deaths -- for whatever reason -- for equivalent periods before and after the invasion.

So, this 100,000 number would include "natural cause" deaths, along with any related to US military or insurgent violence. The bottom line is that Iraq is a much more dangerous place today than it was before the invasion.

And something else to ponder is that pre-invasion Iraq wasn't exactly a paradise. They already had elevated death rates due to continued sanctions.

[mmonk]

4. Wow, that figure

is dark.

[shelley806]

6. Very dark indeed.

I hate the Bushco.

[RedEarth]

9. Yes the article in is LBN....it is the equivalent of 1million US citizens

...comparing our population to Iraq's.

[DaveSZ]

12. * is a murderer

No way around it

[arbusto_baboso]

11. I remember Desert Storm (I was THERE), and the original estimates..

of Iraqi civilian casualties then were about 60,000. Those of us in the know realized that number was closer to 200,000. Guess what the number was later revised to?

Yep, 200,000

[Killarney]

13. confirmed here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1200734
please rate a 5 and keep it on yahoo's homepage

[CityHall]

14. This is "excess deaths," not casualties

They're counting people who died from lack of medical care and stuff like that, not just combat injuries. That's the difference between the 15,000 and 100,000. It also makes the number a lot more speculative. The rebuttal will be that people were dying under sanctions for the same reasons, and now sanctions can be lifted.