Kerry Has Picked SEN. BIDEN for Secretary of State? - Times Online UK

[Roland99]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1334724,00.html


If so, it's a great choice...but...leaves one less (D) Senator.

[truhavoc]

1. No problem filling his seat with a good democrat in DE

That is the best part about Biden, it is a sure bet to find a democrat to replace him in a special election.

[Ediacara]

2. Not a big deal

Delaware's governor is a dem, Ruth Ann Minner, so I assume she'd appoint a dem to fill in for Biden.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Let's wait and see.

Why would that information get leaked to a British source? I'm skeptical that any final choice about cabinet positions has been made yet.

[liberalpragmatist]

4. I doubt this article is true

I have no problem with Biden as Sec. of State. But I doubt Kerry has already asked anybody to be Sec. of State. I'm sure some of his policy aides and political aides have discussed various people, but nothing official has been made, and most people close to Kerry say he's superstitious and doesn't like discussing these kinds of things in advance.

I wouldn't put much stock in this article.

[librechik]

5. yeah, damn, don't mess with the balance; it's tuff enuff already!

we don't need less dems in the congress!

How about Wes?

and Shinseki at Defense?

[AlamoDemoc]

9. don't believe the hype !!

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. And Gephardt will be VP. If it's true I'm OK with it. n/t

[Roland99]

10. Gephardt as VP? Something happen to Edwards?

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. Yes. He proved Murdoch's Post wrong. n/t

[Stephanie]

20. Remember the NY Post headline?

Dewey Defeats Truman?

[WilliamPitt]

7. Drat. I was kinda hoping for Bill Clinton.

[elperromagico]

11. Ehh, don't you know he's working on Hillary's '08 Prez run?

If you read it on Free Republic, it must be true. :silly:

[Syrinx]

13. I heard he wants to Secretary General of the UN

Saw it on TV, so it must be true. ;)

[rockydem]

15. you love Biden

[WilliamPitt]

21. Where do you get that?

You've been following me from thread to thread talking about Biden. I haven't alerted yet, because maybe you're just kind of odd. But here you are making this claim outright, and I'm wondering what, if anything, you are basing it on.

[incapsulated]

22. Must be your Biden avatar

And that photo site of "revealing" shots of Joe you run.

:)

[snowbear]

8. ~Kerry Administration~

MannnnnNNnn.. it's going to be so exciting to hear the names come across after President Kerry is elected!

So many great people to choose from!! :)

[MrMonk]

12. I heard about this last night

Safire said this. I think he was on Larry King.

Whatever the show was, Biden was there also, and Safire made a comment about Biden and some other guy battling it out for the Secretary of State job.

[Renew Deal]

16. I don't like it at all.

I don't think Biden would be good on the issues. I hope this isn't true.

[incapsulated]

17. I despise Biden

He's an opportunist and was a cheerleader for Bush finding WMD at any cost early on, before it wasn't so popular...

Fuck him.

Clark or Holbrooke should have that job, and I think it should be WES.

[Roland99]

18. He's been on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for quite a while

He'd be a great fit for that job.

[incapsulated]

19. He's a DINO, imho

To hell with him, there are better men for that job, as I posted.

Besides, we need the Senate votes.

[PATRICK]

23. No, just too close to his fellow

Senators, even Strom Thurmond. A bit too close in a schmoozing kind of way even for the once cooperative nature of that august body. Also suffering from obsequious deferral to the vaunted GOP "superiority" and wisdom in foreign affairs. That latter is what has poisoned a developing, civilized and hopeful Dem strategy.

More than Biden, the whole American interest and strategy over a LONG period of time is likely to run on empty long after the world has changed. However, in the balance the Dem direction is good and the GOP is bad.

Defining people as DINO's globalists or corporate lackeys would be easy- and wrong. The criticisms though must be kept up front and case by case.
Strong policy advocates will be tested by power. Hopefully they will be as enlightened in practice as Clinton for their ultimate goals are service and people oriented in value.

The worst thing is they are prone to naivete and traps. I wish to God THAT weren't true, but look at Clinton, blindsided like a schoolboy on BIG issues. That comes from not knowing your enemy or getting too close to your enemy and not knowing the limitations of your friends likewise.

[incapsulated]

24. Sometimes the slur fits...

If simply "schmoozing" with members of the Senate on the other side of the aisle made you vote and advocate the positions of the opposition, then why doesn't it work both ways?

I think he's a blowhard and an opportunist, period. Listening to him defend Bush and wail about the imminent danger we were all in from WMD during the lead-up to the invasion pushed me over the edge, in a big way.

"Defining people as DINO's globalists or corporate lackeys would be easy- and wrong. The criticisms though must be kept up front and case by case."

They are ALL corporate lackeys to some extent, that's the way the government is run. Even McCain, who was sincere about wanting campaign finance reform, admitted he had to take their money to run. There can be good people who are in a rotten system who find themselves compromised because of it.

"The worst thing is they are prone to naivete and traps. I wish to God THAT weren't true, but look at Clinton, blindsided like a schoolboy on BIG issues. That comes from not knowing your enemy or getting too close to your enemy and not knowing the limitations of your friends likewise."

Clinton was a DC outsider and did remarkably well despite that fact, because he is a master of politics. Biden is a lifer and I don't believe he has a shred of naivete left.

[PATRICK]

26. Good points but

that is how the comfortable Senate usually works. Not a very becoming fit on Biden. I mean, taking Strom as a mentor? I call that naive since it was his junior years and he looked back on that with fond nostalgia.

The argument in Biden's case does trend more to your side than mine, which at least makes it disappointing that Kerry will put this type of character in that position. The world ain't that cozy for posing.

DINO is still too strong, yet too much of the party leadship is dangerously self contradictory regarding the real world. Maybe when they can firm up what D means this bending to the black hole of the RW will stop at the top.

[Stephanie]

25. The difference being, Kerry will control his Cabinet

They won't control him. That's the beauty of having a President who is competent.