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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:06 AM
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BIG! Salon: "The looting of Iraq's arsenal," by a U.S. CI agent in Iraq.
The same month Al Qaqaa was being stripped of high explosives, I warned my military intelligence unit of another weapons facility that was being cleaned out. But nothing was done.

By David DeBatto

About the writer
David DeBatto is an author and former U.S. Army counterintelligence agent who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Oct. 29, 2004  |  When I read last Sunday's New York Times story of the missing explosives from the Iraqi weapons storage facility south of Baghdad at Al Qaqaa, it brought back memories from my time with the Army National Guard's 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion in Iraq last year. Bad memories. In the Times story, Iraqi scientists who worked at Al Qaqaa described how the facility was looted of almost 400 tons of high explosives right after the American troops swept through the area in April 2003 and failed to secure the site.

But Al Qaqaa is not the whole story. The same month it was being looted, I learned of another major weapons and ammunition storage facility, near my battalion's base at Camp Anaconda, that was unguarded and targeted by looters. But despite my repeated warnings -- and those of other U.S. intelligence agents -- nothing was done to secure this facility, as it was systematically stripped of enough weapons and explosives to equip anti-U.S. insurgents with enough roadside improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for years to come.
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While working on this story, I called another member of the unit who served in Iraq with me at Anaconda, Sgt. Greg Ford. Ford was also a counterintelligence agent and is now retired from the National Guard and lives in California. Ford also remembers the vast weapons stockpiles lying open to looters just outside Anaconda. He advised me that he had also filed at least one written report about the problem and verbally advised Lt. Col. Ryan as well. Ford told me, "No one seemed too interested in what I said about that stuff. I went out there several times after I told them and the place was still unguarded. The more times I went out there, the more stuff was missing. It really sucked." Ford went on to say that his sources had also told him that local insurgents, ex-Baath party members as they were known then, were going to use the weapons as roadside improvised explosive devices (IEDs). In fact, Ford told me, one of his sources in Samarra, a tribal sheik, told him that an Iraqi expatriate living in Syria had been sending drivers across the porous border between the two countries and systematically looting weapons storage facilities, including Al Qaqaa, for material to be used in making IEDs. Until that time, late spring of 2003, IEDs were virtually unknown in Iraq. But beginning around June, they became a common threat to U.S. forces around Anaconda and elsewhere.
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/anaconda/index.html
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:21 AM
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1. kick
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:21 AM
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2. but they SUCCESSFULLY guarded the Oil Ministry and the oil wells
that's the point we need to keep driving home.

They were SUCCESSFUL in protecting the things they really wanted to protect.
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choicevoice Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:32 AM
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4. you need to expand on your point
They sucessfully guarded the oil ministry and the oil wells and let them loot the munitions that are killing our soldiers day after day.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:44 AM
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5. uh ... that's what I said.
My point is that what I keep hearing is that "oh, gosh, Iraq was chaotic and we couldn't possibly control what was going on there during the invasion, it was all just insane and we could only do so much ..."

It's bullshit. We protected the things we set out to protect. And deliberately didn't protect this stuff.

The incompetence is clear.

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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 12:28 AM
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3. Megamoshkick all the way to Freeptown!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:00 AM
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6. Just had an epiphany
The weapons/explosives were LEFT UNGUARDED INTENTIONALLY.

Think about it. You have to wonder why would even this administration, many who were involved in Gulf War I, would be so incompetent (yeah, yeah, I like to think they are too). But let's just assume for a minute they aren't (they are the leaders of a super power afterall).

So what good would come of leaving the weapons ungaurded? It would fuel an insurgency for years to come (as the author of the above article noted). This GIVES us a reason to STAY IN IRAQ. As long as they are blowing stuff up over there, the provisional gov't will keep asking us to stay. This gives us time to build military bases to be used as staging grounds for wars with Syria and Iran and to basically control the middle east for years to come. Think of the BILLIONS of dollars big corporations like Halliburton, Enron and Bechtel stand to make. This is exactly what the administration wants. It's not incompetence, it's intentional. Bush will have the dictatorship he's always wanted and he (and his cronies) will become BILLIONAIRES.

We must stop this at all costs.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:20 AM
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7. I've thought the same thing. They want a neverending war. We are arming
terrorists and insurgents intentionally. I refuse to believe that our military people could screw this up so badly unless this was a setup by bush/cheney/rumsfeld.
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:24 AM
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8. I came to the same conclusion this morning
You hit the nail on the head in your post, I do believe. If Bush wanted an excuse to perform a hostile takeover of oil interests, what better way than to supply both sides of an unending war? The very last few minutes of "Fahrenheit 911" talk about Orwell's theory of the perpetual war. At some point, you must fund and supply an opposing force due to the fact that the "legitimate" side of things will destroy the "terrorists" and will call for a resupply of opposition to keep the whole thing going.

On another subject, I am now curious as to what was in the two trucks in that DoD photo. That may be even more frightening than the high explosives scandal unfolding as of late.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:46 AM
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10. Same logic
that kept the Vietnam War going.

Makes sense to me.
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sisenor Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:40 AM
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12. Agreed
Think about M.Moore's words at the end of Fahrenheit 9/11 - the purpose of a war is not victory, it is to keep it going so as to not allow the lower classes to move forward and thus solidify the social hierarchy. . .

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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:49 AM
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13. Remember "Baghdad Year Zero"!
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 06:58 AM by Paradise
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:10 AM
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17. I can't imagine the military in the area not passing word up the ...
chain of command about the weapons complexes and asking what to do about them. I can easily imagine Rumsfeld in his arrogance and incompetence telling central command not to worry about it.

And I can picture Cheney behind the scene coordinating with Halliburton to get into the oil fields and get production up as fast as possible.

I don't see it as deliberately trying to arm the opposition. I see it as blind greed. I see it as an unrealistic belief in the pre-war prediction that we would be welcomed as liberators. Finally I think there was an overwhelming political drive. A drive to prop-up their image to prove to the country and world that they were right by making their pre-war spin come true.

Incredibly they lied so much they started believed their own spin. Their reason for the war was oil. They thought it was theirs for the taking. They convinced themselves there wouldn't be any serious opposition and they certainly didn't want any. They were just flat wrong.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 01:33 AM
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9. Systemic Incompetence is the only thing that describes the Bush Admin.
Rumsfeld's push to get Franks to provide a bare-bones attack plan is coming back to bite us (and kill our men and women).
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:07 AM
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11. Do you think the American people will believe
Edited on Fri Oct-29-04 06:14 AM by CottonBear
former U.S. Army counterintelligence agents regarding the explosives looting? Some wingnut caller is on c-Span right know. He's saying that all of the reporters and news organizations are part of the "blame America first crowd.' I'd like to see him accuse these military guys of that.

on edit: More wingnut callers. These people have their heads in the sand. One woman just said we should be glad that we've found and destroyed some explosives. She said that we don't have a lot of experience invading other countrie so we can't be expected to do everything perfectly.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:54 AM
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14. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
"One woman just said we should be glad that we've found and destroyed some explosives. She said that we don't have a lot of experience invading other countries so we can't be expected
to do everything perfectly."


thank you, CottonBear! :hi:
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:14 AM
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19. You're welcome Paradise.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. Some of these people are beyond stupid.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:57 AM
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16. Don't worry, we'll get the hang of it!
"She said that we don't have a lot of experience invading other countrie so we can't be expected to do everything perfectly."

You've got to expect a few bumps in the road in an endless war for oil and empire, dontcha know...
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:21 AM
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20. I'd love to be a C-SPAN Washington Journal host for ONE DAY!
I'd have SOOO much fun with those Jesus Freaks and nutcases!
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 06:55 AM
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15. Bush wanted chaos in Iraq for two reasons: jacks up oil prices, and...
...because they thought it would help Bush win the election.

Gulf War 1 didn't help GHWB because it was over and attention shifted to the economy by the time the election rolled around.

Bush 2 thought it was going to help him if all attention was focused on War during the election. Democrats jujitsu-ed him though. Turned war into a liability.

To have war stay in the news, the insurgents needed to be armed. Thus the unchecked lootings.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 07:32 AM
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18. Bush = Permanent War (Permawar)
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 08:23 AM
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21. We need these Soldiers on the Air
What we need are soldiers on the air saying what is being said here, if only to put the lie to the smarmy likes of Guliani that it's the soldiers fault...Geez that burns me up, send men into battle and then blame them for being made cannon fodder for oil. These Chimp cabal bastards need to be fried.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 11:06 AM
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22. Incompetence?
I don't think so. These people are delusional but not stupid. The only thing I can come up with these set of facts is that the * wants those weapons out there. The only way to keep the war going is to have the other side exploding things. This (mis)administration WANTS THESE WEAPONS OUT THERE. Am I way off here?
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gjb Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-04 04:07 PM
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23. No, not incompetent. Planned well in advance......
BushCo have claimed that the insurgents are being supplied by AQ through Syria and Iran in order to bolster the Suddam Hussein/AQ connection. By allowing the Al Qaa Qaa munitions to be looted and used against US soldiers they can perpetuate the lie that Hussein and "Osama Bin Whoever" have been in cahoots all along. You're right it's about prolonging the war. The war against terror is open ended. Bush has said as much because that's what he and his crew want.

Also as long as Iraq is unstable there won't be elections. If Bush gets in again I'm betting no elections in January.
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