BushCo lays a TRAP...Setup Kerry ...with the 380 tons of explosives

[opihimoimoi]

They KNEW within 5 hours if not 50 minutes of what happened to them there weapons and explosives.

So they let Kerry go on for 5 days and now they accuse him of jumping to conclusions? Sweet for Bush Sour for Kerry.

It was a SET UP.. Them Pubs play down and DIRTY, they got nothing Pos going so they go NEG

[rndmprsn]

1. hmmm...i disagree

doesn't look like you watched the pathetic pentagon news conference...the flimsiness of their "story" was out there for everyone to see.

[Misunderestimator]

13. Yep, and unbelievably the after-conference commentary on CNN

is basically saying that they didn't say anything. This is BAD for Bush, not Kerry.

[AnIndependentTexan]

25. MSN NBC also said they didn't answer anything

I believe Bush hurt himself with this move

[MsUnderstood]

2. I gotta disagree

These campaigns have been about blitzkreig--lightening fast responses.

the fact that it took bush a day to say nothing before he said "kerry jumps to conclusions" shows the repubs did not know what to do when the story broke.

[coloradodem2005]

3. Oh yeah.

Bush knows nothing about jumping to conclusions. :eyes: Hopefully, it won't hurt him too much.

[yellowcanine]

4. What are you talking about. It is Bush doing "What's the story today?"

Bush is coming up with a new explanation each day as the previous ones get blown out of the water. He has been playing defense all week.

[Walt Starr]

5. The Pentagon press conference sealed the deal for Kerry

They removed something from bunkers that had no IAEA seals and destroyed that on April 13, 2003.

ABC has video tape of bunkers with IAEA seals being opened on April 18,2003. HMX is inside.

The press conference backfired BIG TIME!!!

[MercutioATC]

6. You're serious?

Even the Major assigned to remove the stuff talked about it as "ammunition" and "rounds" and admitted that he had no idea what he had removed.

Spin works both ways. This was a great press conference (for us).

[opihimoimoi]

24. Ok OK enough already, The TRAP/SET UP FAILED.... I see it also

but I just wanted to convey the thought these Pub spin guys are very clever and play dirty. They attempted to counter with a counter charge...OOPs backfire...........

[July]

26. They've got the reverse Midas touch; everything they touch turns to shit.

Shall we call it "The QaQaaa Effect."

[eyepaddle]

53. That's Awesome..the Qa Qaa effect!

And it's funny because it's a lifelong pattern for da chimp.:headbang:

[billyoc]

29. "these Pub spin guys are very clever and play dirty. "

They sure do. This, however, was definitely *not* their best work.

[0007]

40. I've done the same thing after drinking a few glasses of battery acid,

Your alright in my book.

[MercutioATC]

44. You're absolutely right about that. They DID make the attempt.

Thankfully, Major Pearson just reported what he knew.

The truth just didn't make the administration's case...

[Dem Agog]

7. Umm... I don't see it that way at all...

At this point the story is so muddled and ugly that all Joe Q. Public is left with is the impression that * fucked up. The Pentagon briefing showed nothing conclusive. The best the * administration can hope for is to confuse on this issue. They look like incompetent liars at this point and no amount of conferences/backpedaling will fix the issue.

This one done stuck.

[eaprez]

18. Its muddled by design.....

....this is what they always do....muddle the facts with spin so no one knows anything for sure.

[delete_bush]

41. Not only is Joe Q. left with again more doubt

about Kerry's opponent, it puts Chimpy on the defensive these last several days AND we got Guilliani's "blame the troops" sound-bite for free.

[RafterMan]

8. HAHAHAH!

If they laid a trap, it just blew up in their faces.

[Atman]

9. Have you been paying attention?

Kerry was right...his conclusions are turning out to be correct, and the press conference just revealed that even more. This is a train wreck getting...uh...wreckier.

[Lex]

10. You should stop giving Rove & Bush so much credit.

The media ain't buying what this soldier is selling.

[Tim_in_HK]

11. What do you base that on?

That Pentagon briefing was a joke.

[Goldmund]

12. LOL

Yeah, OK

[TexasChick]

14. WTF!

[Cats Against Frist]

15. What the hell are you talking about? The DON'T KNOW

where the weapons are, and the press conference was smoke & mirrors.

[Randi_Listener]

16. You're wrong.

The Fuckee press conference was another disaster on the heels of another disaster.

[MikeG]

The press conference was a disaster.

[lanparty]

35. I agree ...

The press was all over the special secretary for dragging out this BS that had NOTHING to do with the RMX and RDX. The Bush administratin is FRANTIC over this issue. And they tried to pull a slight of hand with Pearson.

Now this DOES give them the ability to imp-lie that the weapons in question were destroyed. And I'm 100% sure that the chimp will make these claims out on the stump. It's the ONLY thing they've got.

In the eyes of reason, the press conference HARMED the Bush administration. Because it showed they sent ordinance collectors to Al-Qaqa and those collectors had NO IDEA about the nature of the explosives there!!! It shows that the troops were NOT made aware about these high-value ammo caches that should have been secured!!!

[Zynx]

17. Eh?

Clear your head before you make a statement like that again.

[LEW]

19. I also disagree

Most people are not even going to know about or remember this press conference - or absorb what the pentagon is saying.

All they will remember is there are 350 tons of weapons missing!

[w4rma]

20. Nope. Those explosives are being used by the insurgents and terrorists

to blow up U.S. soldiers and to be used in bombings around the world. Also note that with the radioactive waste that also wasn't guarded (couple that with these explosives), they are probably working on a dirty bombing, right now.

[Zen Democrat]

21. Are you nuts? Are you not paying attention?

Good grief - BushCO has now trotted out 3, now 4, explanations of this -- and they are all inoperable within hours. This information has been around for a while -- and according to the interim Iraqi government, Allawi says that Bush administration asked that it not be reported to the IAEA until AFTER THE ELECTION. Trap, my ass. Who knows all this stuff??? The CIA, my friend. The CIA.

[Bush was AWOL]

22. I don't know about that

Kerry and Bush both get Security briefings everyday. Wouldn't that mean Kerry knows the truth and Bush spinning.

[Misunderestimator]

23. What's your point in this post?

Just throwing some feces to see what sticks? Apparently you didn't see the news conference.

[opihimoimoi]

27. OK OK so I did not get my 2 cups of coffee yet... I didn't say the trap

WORKED.

All I said was It was a BushCo Trap and it played well to the BushBots.

Lets see the fallout of the REVEALING PRESS CONFERENCE

[RafterMan]

37. Still not buying it

If they had set the trap, why have they give 5 or 6 different explanations? Why wouldn't they have a guy who could actually tell a story that helped them? They've been scurrying around like roaches with a light shined on them.

They were completely blindsided -- their flailing, floundering and failing proves it.

[fob]

59. It's Ok Opi, Come, we go vote then get sauced!!

:evilgrin:

[Junkdrawer]

28. Not this time...

I was among the first to say that the NG memos were a trap. This one isn't - that's the way Limbaugh wants to spin it, but he's lying.

[RummyTheDummy]

30. With all due respect

You're not very good at grasping this issue. This story hasn't changed at all. The Lying Whore explained nothing. This political maneuver was a complete failure.

And even if he did, the damage has been DONE.

[hexola]

31. This hasn't helped them in the least...nt

[Carni]

32. After watching that joke of a press conference I disagree

They couldn't verify that the material destroyed was the IAEA sealed material in question.

Basically these guys were just sent out and left to hang in front of the world and the media...the Pentagon dummy figured he would spew some BS about how great the war in Iraq was going and then he'd leave them baffled.

It didn't happen and the whole conference just looked stupid and pointless--they didn't address the issue PERIOD.

[progressivebydesign]

33. No. The International community broke this story.. NOT Rove.

Bush is just scrambling to respond. They KNEW that the stuff was looted, I guarantee it, but they were hoping the story wouldn't come out until after November 2nd.

[ciaobox]

34. Um, What???

This idiot they trotted out said NOTHING. He cleared up NOTHING.

[Must_B_Free]

36. Naah - they have suffered too much damage

they have been running scared from excuse to excuse since it started,

The kerry people set the trap. The story came out and the Bushies didn;t know what lie to use, then when they picked one they were caught in the lie by the video tape.

All you saw today was tap dancing...

[Hello_Kitty]

38. Sadly for them, they just walked into their own trap. n/t

[nolabels]

42. Rats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[opihimoimoi]

43. LOL, LUV IT...shoulda put Bush in there somehow.

[Kadie]

39. Whaaaaaa.....?

[semillama]

46. I think I figured out what the fatal flaw in their plan was.

They were counting on the press to roll over and play dead for them, and were not expecting to get lobbed a bunch of hardballs at them and definitely did not expect skeptical coverage of the press conference. That's what got them.

[indie_voter]

56. They didn't expect the video

Without the video they could have muddied the water.

With the video it is impossible.

I am stunned they said they took ammo April 13th when they KNOW the video was taken on the 18th.

[shelley806]

45. I suspect Rovian Tactics in this whole explosives story.....

A Rovian tactic is to spread mis-information to the enemy that makes the opponent look bad...and when it's disproven as absolute fact, it makes the enemy look bad.

Example #1.) RatherGate; the truth of Rather's facts were outweighed by the indignation of cries of foul play, left slanted media; not checking facts, etc. Result:? Rather looked bad, CBS looked bad, and Bush was still not proven to have gone AWOL or discharged dishonorably, or gotten favored treatment because of his father. Bush fu'd but it was once agina covered u by a smikescreen designed to do just that--divert attention from negative facts by mis-information.

Example #2.) Judge Election? or Senate? Rove ordered and paid to have people distribute flyers to neighborhoods that scandalized his candidate. Everyone thought that the other guy did it, and it was right before the election; he couldn't retract it...awful mess.

Hatfield?

I'm worried that Mohammed Abbas was paid favors to release the info to the IAEA. Why else would he do this right now? He knew it would hurt Bush. If he leaked the info, and it's proven that the explosives were stolen prior to the invasion, then we have egg on our face, and it detracts from the real issues.


Every time I hear Bush say: Check your facts, I shiver. (He doesn't check his facts, he lies.) But it seems like a set-up.

If someone could give me a good reason why Abbas would release this info to the IAEA, I'd appreciate it!

With this new information, we need to ask how Major Pearson could have removed 250 tons of ammo in one day...Impossible.

[Snivi Yllom]

49. I agree that Rove is into sneaky setup tricks

no question

[lasttrip]

47. wtf-what are you talking about?

hope you arent serious.

[Snivi Yllom]

48. not buying the explosives thing is fully vetted yet...but

it would be very Rove like to be a sneaky bastard and it his MO.

[SleepingDragon]

50. I disagree, the only thing that is happening here is an attempt by the

White house to spin this their way. Someone didn't tell Cheney that the press conference was a disaster, he just told a crowd of adoring freepers in Michigan that the soldier told people that he destroyed 200 tons of the explosives in question, when the end result of the conference was that NON of the explosives in question were destroyed, 250 tons of other stuff but not IAEA sealed explosives.

This is one huge disaster for *co and can only get better for us.

[DefenseLawyer]

51. Nonsense

Rove didn't feed this story to the NYT or 60 minutes and he certainly didn't know about the Minnesota video tape. It is too close to the election to pull such a "trap", because in a best case scenario they still lost the news cycle for 3 or 4 days in the week before the election. They have been spinning for their lives with this thing- Drudge (the Russians), Rudy (the troops- bad), Pentagon photos (Saddam), army boy (the troops again- but good). If this was a Rove setup they would have all been on message from the start, like they were with the "forged documents". No, this is their fuck-up, and as Sonny B. once said, the beat goes on.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

52. What the hell are you talking about?

This is so bad for the bushies my head is spinning.

Think about it: 380 TONS of explosives that the military UNDER HIS COMMAND did NOT SECURE.

There is no proof they secured it. There is no proof the military has it now.

In fact, all indications point to the explosives having been taken by Iraqi insurgents in the weeks after the invasion.

Which means it solves the mystery of the last several months, namely "where are the insurgents GETTING all that shit to blow up our troops with?"

Oh geez this is beyond bad. It's catastrophic for bush.

This wasn't a set up. It was the bush administration's gross incompetence. They shouldn't be allowed to operate an ice-cream shop, much less run a country.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

54. By the way

opihimoimoi when are you going to have your coming out party?

Been watching you.

[UpsideDownFlag]

57. well, judging by his donor star...

not anytime soon?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

60. What's the big deal about giving $5 or $10?

[UpsideDownFlag]

61. i dunno. just seems sorta antithetical to a disruptive goal. nt

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

62. Not if you want to be trusted.

Now if the minimum donation were $50 or something, I'd kinda doubt someone with a star would ever be a disruptor. But I've been watching this person (and about 10 other people) and their posts for a while now and they are almost always like this.

[Stuckinthebush]

55. Opihi....have you been watching TV?

This is a disaster for Bush. If it was a setup, it was a Wile E Coyote type of setup.

[requiem99]

58. Dumbest post ever. nt