Please explain any Bush positives re: OBL tape to me

[DancingBear]

I don't see them. We have a man who murdered 3000 people literally thumbing his nose and saying catch me if you can to the Bush Administration.

We have Bush, who promised he would get OBL, then saying he wasn't important, being chastised for incompetence by THE GUY WHO ATTACKED US.

We have the leading figure in this so-called terrorism war alive and well on national TV, while the guy who is supposed to protect us from him trying to figure out what lie to come up with next.

I'm either thick as a brick or I'm missing something here. Where are the positives for Bush??????

[SheepyMcSheepster]

1. i agree 100%

the simple fact is osama is still out there. whose shoulders does that rest on?

[Slit Skirt]

10. MAYOR DIPSHIT GIULIANI

....WILL BLAME THE SOLDIERS

[bush equals idiot]

34. Exactly.

I thought I was losing my mind there for awhile with DUers thinking this was a good thing for Bush.

It's like Nicole Simpson coming back from the grave, pointing to OJ and saying that's the bastard that killed me.

It couldn't get any more insulting for that incompetent slug in the White House

[BayStateBoy]

44. OBL Confirmed that the "Pet Goat" thing Gave Aid to the Enemy (him)

[GreenPoet64]

2. undecideds will go Kerry. We are not safer with Bush.

It is clear.

[Bluebear]

3. He humiliated Bush and the US

Bush's inaction to terror, Bush's frozen 9/11 reactions, there is not one Bush positive in this tape.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

4. Didn't "they" say OBL was probably dead not too long ago?

I don't see how this is bad, but then my mind isn't as twisted as Rove's is.

[Mistress Quickly]

5. Sheeple will think

If that there brown bin Ladin terrist guy don't want me voting for Bush, dangnabbit, that's who i'm votin' fer. Ain't no terrist tellin' me what ta vote fer and who and like stuff.

Tell me that wouldn't be the thinking of 40% of the people. Hell, man, they're already voting for him and think that Hussein did 9-11.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. I would think that the people that think that are already going to vote *

[Mistress Quickly]

21. Well yeah, those

would be the ones who watch fox and think Hussein did 9-11.

Sorry, can't think well. This could be good for us or not good for us.

I am gettin exhausted on politics. I don't think I could go another week like this. Everything is political to me now, even how people say hi to me, or look at me. Yikes.

4 more days, 4 more days.

[shelley806]

27. I feel exactly the same way!!!

Keith Olbermann referred to it as PEADs: pre-election anxiety disorder! I'm going to start a thread on that one. Join me.

BTW: In my humble opinion, looks like more ca-ca on *co

[CrispyQ]

35. I agree with you completly!

And I LOVE your user name!!

B-)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

37. Thanks!

:)

[mooky]

14. Tragic

But true.

Never underestimate the idiocy of those dumber than you.

[CarolynEC]

16. But that's thing. I haven't heard where -- except fox -- he has said...

...anything about who to vote for. Said something along the lines of, "Kerry can't dtermine your security, Bush can't detemine your security... only you can."

Weird. And infuriating, that this little f@%#*er is even around to preach his crap at us.

[theoceansnerves]

6. yep

300 tons of missing explosives and osama still alive. and we are safer because...?

[donco6]

7. Nothing positive for Bush here.

He's simply taunting the US for it's failure to capture him. Otherwise, there's nothing new in his message at all.

"He said the attacks on the US would have been less severe if President Bush had been more alert.

"But he added that the security of the American people depended neither on Mr Bush nor on his challenger, John Kerry, but on US policy."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966741.stm

on edit: added quotes.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. how many missing explosives stories have aired in the last half hour?

[DancingBear]

25. That's a good point

I would argue, however, that Kerry was beginning to steer clear of the explosives issue, feeling he had gained maximum traction from same. It was my understanding that he was to complete the weekend on a positive "seal the deal'" series of speeches.

I would think, however, that he could (and may) shift towards a "the man who Mr. Bush 'is no longer concerned with' is back. Will he (Bush) be concerened about him this time? I am not willing to bet the lives of my fellow Americans that he will be."

(perhaps not that strident, but something to that effect)

[CarolynEC]

9. I'm with you. I don't see anything here but...

"Mister Bush, WHY is this criminal still at large?"

[denverbill]

12. Have you not noticed the terror effect in the polls?

Every time Bush raised the terror alert level, his poll numbers jumped.

You would THINK it would be just the opposite. Raising the terror alert level means we are no safer. The alert level has never gone lower under Bush. You would THINK terrorism would hurt the boy blunder.

Unfortunately, people are stupid and afraid. I would like to think that people would see the tape and blame Bush for not catching him. But I don't have that much faith in the American people.

[fugop]

19. Not anymore

I read somewhere that the last terror alert did NOT have that effect. Remember how the press even started wondering about the timing of these alerts? Their use is past. Those people who can be swayed by fear on a videotape are already goners to us. No worry. The rest know the truth: We are not safer with Bush at the helm.

[Kierkegaard]

33. You are correct, at least partially.

In a graph I saw some weeks ago, for each alert, the jump in approval got smaller and smaller.

This video may be slightly different, though. This time, there is video evidence of threats. People won't rely on the word of the government, but how are they going to react to this? I hope it will drive people away from Scrub...

[The Magistrate]

13. There Are None, Mr. Bear

All this does is re-emphasize the failures of the criminals of the '00 Coup in prosecuting the war against the Islamic fundamentalist radicals who atacked our country. It gives new edge and further sustains the line that the criminals missed a golden opportunity to catch this wretch by "outsourcing" the job at Tora Bora, and to the colossal distraction from this vital effort the invasion of Iraq reoresents. It drives home to the people that for all the bluster of the Andover cheerleader, all his "Dead or alive" and "We'll smoke 'em out" and his "You can run but you can't hide" posturings, the fact is that Bin Ladin has indeed evaded the might of the United States, as this has been directed by this criminally incompetent administration, and is still in operation and doing quite well for himself. It is an excellent and sovereign reminder of the failures of this administration in what most people consider a vital matter, and gives the lie entirely to the Andover cheerleader's pretense that he is up to the job of protecting the nation. For that, better to turn to someone who has actually closed with an armed enemy, and shot him dead....

"If you repeat a lie often enough, you are a Republican."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[shelley806]

38. I loved this response!

and this:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, you are a Republican."

[htuttle]

15. Well, since he says he came up for the idea for 9/11 in 1982

...and the US was sending covert aid to his group in 1982 to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, I guess the good news for Bush is:

It's all Reagan's fault!

:evilgrin:

[chuckhoward]

17. Randi just finished an interview with ...

...David Corn on this very issue. They both thought that having OBL in the news at this late date would result in a net gain for Junior. Their rationale was that the public still tends to think positively of Bush when it comes to OBL. Corn said that Bush spoke today about 9/11 and expects him to speak about nothing else over the weekend. I guess if I were Bush and had just experienced this week's shit storm, that's what I'd be talking about. Let's see how Big John responds. I expect he'll figure out a way to do damage control. KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE.

[NewJeffCT]

42. agreed - this is the 2nd best thing that could happen to Bush

Other than a terror bombing in the country, this is the next best thing. Despite reports that Bush outsourced the capture of bin Laden, most people don't believe it unless it was constantly on Fox News & in USA Today headlines. They still think of Bush being brave for standing on the wreckage of the WTC 2 days after Bill Clinton was there.

[Confident]

18. We are all missing the obvious...

The parallel here is the train station bombings in Madrid, just before their elections. The "Spanish Bush" was leading, narrowly, just before the bombings, but the "Spanish Kerry" won narrowly just after the bombings.

After the election, the Spanish took a lot of heat for "caving to the terrorists"

Now: new OBL tape = Madrid bombings. OBL says Bush is bad. Ergo, if Americans vote Bush out of office, then Americans are listening to OBL. They have caved. GOP will spin that brave Americans will not listen to OBL and will re-elect Bush, OBL's great enemy.

As good as I can do. Thoughts welcome.

[chuckhoward]

22. Actually, OBL said...

...that neither Kerry nor Bush can provide security for the US...we can only provide that security ourselves.

[Carolab]

45. What he is SAYING is

WE, the AMERICAN CITIZENS, have to work the change in foreign policy. In other words, WE HAVE THE POWER. This is TRUE. However, the big difference between Kerry and Bush, IMO, is WE CANNOT GET BUSHCO to turn around. Kerry is our best hope for that.

[cal04]

24. guess we had the

same thoughts about the relation to Spain.

[Longhorn]

26. The only people who agreed with that analogy were freepers.

Others said the reason the "Spanish Bush" lost was because they lied about who was responsible for the bombings.

[NewJeffCT]

43. people on DU said that - the rest of the countr thought Spain caved

Because that it was Fox, CNN & the rest of the Mainstream Media said.

[DefenseLawyer]

32. I think the CW on Spain

is that the "Spanish Bush" suffered more because he tried to "spin" the horrible attack to make political points by falsely accusing Basque separatists for the bombing rather than al Qaeda. I agree that after the election many in the US chastised the Spanish for bowing to the terrorists, but i don't think that was actually the case in large measure. That being said, a video will never have the same impact that an attack would have, I agree with those who have said that this video simply reminds us that Bush failed in Afghanistan.

[cal04]

20. No positive, but question

Remember what happened in Spain and how they said the terrorists won by them voting for a new prime minister. Is that going to be Bush's spin on this. Timing of this tape is pretty suspicious

[VOX]

23. Only in that the last 48 hrs. ALL the news was bad for Bush...

The stolen/missing weapons,Halliburton, campaigning in states other that Ohio (possible Ohio consession), 100,000 Iraqi deaths, etc. All this will now be knocked off the news. Instead, every bloody talking head will be yapping about OBL and this tape.

This will consume the news cycles for the next two days, at least.

Now, if Kerry comes in **fast**, and grabs this OBL-tape story by the tail, he can own it.

[Bluebear]

31. That is true, things were bad ENOUGH for Bush!

[PatsFan2004]

39. Eating up the news cycle

I agree that this OBL tape, the previous tape, and the Pentagon briefing will eat up all of the news time for the next few days. This will keep Kerry and * from getting their message out.

[nonconformist]

28. ITA. This is BAD for Bush.

FOX I'm sure will try to spin it based on some really insignificant details - as I know so far, the only reference he's made to Kerry has been that our security isn't in the hands of Kerry, Bush or Al Qadea.

THERE IS NO KERRY ENDORSEMENT IN THIS TAPE.

The BIGGEST and most IMPORTANT issue with this is why that sorry mother fucker is still ALIVE and threatening us.

[kranich]

29. Its

not going to hurt Kerry. But the complete flame up on DU over it sure is making someone happy.

[Cocoa]

30. Bush is desperate

he needs something that could shake things up, change the dynamic.

Like a "hail mary" pass. Unfortunately for Bush, these desperation plays often get intercepted.

[Awsi Dooger]

36. Unfortunately, very simple

Bush's greatest poll edge over Kerry is dealing with terrorism, +20 points in some surveys.

Do a word association with the average American. Terrorism? You damn well the overwhelming, almost unanimous, reply will be 9/11. And that means Osama Bin Laden.

It really doesn't matter what Bin Laden says on the tape. The last four days will likely be focused on Bin Laden, and therefore terrorism in general and not Iraq or the economy.

[dogman]

40. Apparently B$$$ worshipers like Andrea Mitchell are reminded of their

demi-God satnding in the rubble with his bullhorn. This image is burned in their cowhide brain like the crucifix.

[LVdem]

41. RAISE THE TERROR ALERT LEVEL...

That has proven to up the prez's numbers in the past.

That might be too late, though.