Just got home: Will this hurt us or Help us ? Honest opinions.............

[Fluffdaddy]

[flowomo]

1. HELP.... because Osama is living proof of Bush's failure

[BayStateBoy]

Agree. OBL confirmed that Bush gave Aid to the Enemy (Him) by reading book

[annerevere]

2. The only way it will help us

Is if the Kerry campaign constantly reminds us that Bin Laden is alive and well today because Bush took his eye off the ball by invading Iraq.

My suggestion for a new ad: couple the videotape of Bush saying he's not interested in bin Laden with bin Laden tape today. And run this ad constantly in the battlegrounds.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Reminder no longer needed. OBL advertises Bush's failure himself

Kerry need only remind of Bush's failure in the WOT.

[eaprez]

24. I think they also need to run adds with the voice of Rudy G .....

...blaming the troops for the explosives fiasco.

[Bluebear]

3. It hurts all Americans. A killer is still on the loose.

And our President let him get away.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. That is true

:-(

[VOX]

30. Wow. ***Well said***, plastic turkeys!

You should be writing for Kerry! :thumbsup:

Hang onto this idea, it's a good one --

[Bluebear]

32. Tell him I am available :)

[sangh0]

4. I'll get back to you on that

I want to check the 50 other threads first

[hollywood926]

8. I love the ad idea!

That would be brilliant. I think it SHOULD help us, but beware the spinmeisters and the not-so-bright segment of the U.S. population.

[Mojambo]

5. It'll be a wash. n/t

[madmax]

6. Hurts bush

imo - Osama looks fine. Thought bush was gonna hunt him down, smoke him out blah, blah. He lost the sucker and went after SH. Now SH sits in jail, American troops are dying in the desert for what? And besides that he failed to plan to secure the explosives and now the 'terrrraists' have them. I'm surprised OBL didn't say, 'oh and btw, thanks for the RDX.

[PDittie]

7. OBL hit * upside the head with "My Pet Goat"

What do you think? Did that help or hurt?

[Fluffdaddy]

9. This throws a wrench into everything. This is goi0ng to be a late night

for me. I was going to see a movie with my wife, But now I can not leave the TV an My computer......Looking on who going to win the Spin

[DougieZero]

12. MSNBC jerkoff terrorism expert

Just claimed Bin Laden endorsed Kerry... I've heard it twice now on cable news.

Neil Livingstone is the guy's name. It's going to be a long night.

[PDittie]

19. Eh....take her to the movies

this'll be here tomorrow

[Fluffdaddy]

23. We would both be wasting our money............ on our Laptop and

watching all the cable news channels

[ciaobox]

11. It's irrelevent

Kerry has already gathered enough big MO to steamroll the shrub. This tape is too little to late for either us or them.

[Neecy]

13. I think it's a wash...

Those who support Bush* will try to use this in their normal 'fear-terra-fear' manner.

Those of us who support Kerry will see this as yet another in a long list of failures on the part of an incompetent, corrupt administration.

Swing voters must be so disconnected from events that I doubt this will have an effect on them.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Neither.

Almost everybody has made up their minds. Pox News will spin it for Bush, trying to claim that now we really need Our Strong Leader to save us from Evil Osama (who Bush said really didn't matter much) -- but only the freeptards who are voting for him anyhow take Pox seriously. The opposite spin, of course (the truth, really), is the fact that the guy who did 9/11 is still out there, Bush didn't catch him like he promised, and he's still mocking and threatening us. That fact doesn't help Bush. I think the positive and negative spins will cancel each other out and the few people who are still undecided will decide how to vote on the basis of the same issues that concerned them in the first place.

[Thrill]

16. Hurts Bush ONLY

if the Kerry Campaign pounds the message that Bush had three yrs to catch him and didn't. while we were in Iraq, Bin laden was allowed to get away and regroup

[Confident]

17. Helps us if you play it like Kerry...

kills us if you do what Kerry wisely chose not to do - bash Bush with it

[Ready4Change]

18. Hard to say.

My first instinct is to say that this proof that OBL is alive and at large is damning for Bush.

However, seeing the Pro-Bush media spin-fest over this, and seeing how it has reduced coverage of other anti-Bush news down to a series of pro-Bush spin soundbites, I sense major, and I mean MAJOR Rovian tactics.

[The Wielding Truth]

25. If Kerry comes out like I know he will - Quick, Strong and Smart -

It will assure the Country. He is my Leader Know Bush can't handle it.

[bluedog]

20. it'll hurt bushy

just hearing binladen shows that bush is a failure.......he stumps and says the terrorists are on the run..weel, explain binladen addressing bushy boy..........see some of the 9-11 could have been prevented if bush would have acted and got our planes in the air.instead he CHOOSE to read his pet goat...........

[streakr]

21. I think it's bad for Bush but

my SO, Suzie Sunshine, thinks its a Rovian plot to get the terror level increased, strike fear in the electorate, declare martial law and postpone the election.

But then again I'm always the optomist!

streakr

[kranich]

22. I think it will help Kerry

[LiberalAndProud]

26. zero impact

Bushies believe what they believed before. Those of us who believed that Kerry is the better candidate before will continue to believe exactly that.

Those who haven't already made up their minds won't be able to decide wheter this help Bush or hurts him. In the end, they will discard it as an unknown quantity.

Net effect: 0

[Clinton Crusader]

27. hurt * - add it to the shitload of bad news this week

[gcomeau]

28. COMBINED with missing explosives, hurts huge.

1. TONS of missing high yield military grade explosives.
2. Confirmation that Osama is STILL on the loose and in good health.

Gives us:

3. We can only HOPE he hasn't gotten his hands on the stuff.

Hit the media with this concern. Make the two stories the same issue. VERY, VERY bad for Bush if all of a sudden we have the media pointing out that not only did they screw up the explosives handling but that that screw-up may have ARMED Osama with some serious weaponry.

-Grant

[VOX]

29. Depends on media spin. OBL's appearance is designed to hurt Kerry...

For the reason that every time that the terror-warnings are issued, * gets an average 2.75 uptick in the polls, regardless of the economy, or anything else going on.

True, there is no terror-warning yet, but having the OBL boogeyman on all networks invokes that fear-inducing flavor.

Depends on how the media will spin this...
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Oct04/terrorist.Bush.ssl.html
Government terrorist warnings boost President Bush's approval ratings, a Cornell sociologist finds
FOR RELEASE: Oct. 4, 2004
Contact: Susan S. Lang
Office: 607-255-3613
E-Mail: [e-mail]

ITHACA, N.Y. -- When the federal government issues a terrorist warning, presidential approval ratings jump, a Cornell University sociologist finds. Interestingly, terrorist warnings also boost support for the president on issues that are largely irrelevant to terrorism, such as his handling of the economy.

Robb Willer, assistant director of the Sociology and Small Groups Laboratory at Cornell and a doctoral candidate in sociology who expects his Ph.D. in May 2005, tracked the 26 times that a federal government agency reported an increased threat of terrorist activity in the United States between February 2001 and May 2004. He also tracked the 131 Gallup Polls that were conducted during the same period. He then conducted several time-series and regression analyses on the relationship between government-issued terror warnings and Gallup Poll data on approval ratings of President George W. Bush.

"Results showed that terror warnings increased presidential approval ratings consistently," says Willer. "They also increased support for Bush's handling of the economy. The findings, however, were inconclusive as to how long this halo effect lasts."
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When Willer linked the warnings to presidential ratings from 2001 to 2004, he found that each terror warning prompted, on average, a 2.75 point increase in the president's approval rating the following week.
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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. Unfortuneately he needs more than 2.75 to win