Um... Does anybody here realise that Osama Bin Laden is DEAD???!!!

[SmileyBoy]

People, I've been saying this to EVERYONE since the spring of 2002: He's FUCKING DEAD!!! He's a rotting corpse in the ground somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan!!! People, he either DIED of kidney faliure or was shot by someone sometime in early 2002!!! There's NO WAY that he could be touted around from cave to cave with a dialysis machine that requires an electrical generator, or that even in the proccess of transport, that no one would have seen him and tipped off the US of his whereabouts.

Think about this: Do you HONESTLY think he'd be alive 38 1/2 months AFTER 9/11 without ANYONE tipping off the US or some country of his location??? I DON'T THINK SO!!! You all have to realise this. He's as dead as a doornail. Have we all forgotten this??? Weren't we all discussing right before the Iraq invasion or in late 2002 of the good possibility that he was dead??? How would it all of a sudden be certain that he's ALIVE two years after these discussions???

I don't care HOW MUCH like Bin Laden he looks like in the tapes, it's a FAKE!!! Ya hear me???

He's DEAD people, remember this!!!

[progressiveBadger]

1. ok, thanks.

[supernova]

2. I'm not believing

until I see the body.

[TwilightZone]

3. Do you have any proof?

A "good possibility" in 2002 does not equate to a fact in 2004.

[SmileyBoy]

4. Can you prove to me he's alive???

Can you prove that video was not a fake???

[LoZoccolo]

10. Can you prove you're not being fake?

All these speculations you give - how do we know you really believe them? Can you prove it?

[TwilightZone]

12. The video is a heck of a lot more proof than you are providing that he's

dead.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Everyone has seen "Weekend at Bernie's", right?

Same thing. :eyes:

[htuttle]

6. I never thought he was dead...still don't

At least not by our hands.

The US hasn't made a single unpredictable move since 9/11. Of course he knew we'd attack Afghanistan -- we'd been sending missiles at him in Afghanistan previously. Attacking Afghanistan was the obvious move. Since bin Laden didn't have a big martyr's finish there, I assumed he'd planned a getaway.

:shrug:

[Sean Reynolds]

7. If he were dead Bush would parade his ass through the streets of New York.

Sorry, but that's just how it is. Bush knows that with the belief of bin Laden out there the heat rests within his administration. He knows that if bin Laden were found dead, his ratings with skyrocket and he probably would win a second term.

Now I understand that Bush could use him as a tool of fear, but realistically speaking that notion just doesn't compare to that of Bush saying he's dead and reaping the benefits of it.

Fact it, people feel bin Laden is a great risk. If Bush can't calm their fears, they're not going to support him. Which is why I think his ratings are so low....people want to know where bin Laden is!

[w4rma]

8. No, unfortuately it appears he is still alive. Not a priority for Bush tho

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BIN_LADEN_TAPE_EXCERPTS?SITE=SCCOL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20041029/ts_nm/security_binladen_dc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2751019.stm

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

[doni_georgia]

9. Then again * and co could be keeping him alive to produce the tapes

Okay I know this sounds crazy, but you're right. How could someone who required regular dialysis stay alive living in caves without medical treatment? The day before 9/11 he was in Pakistan receiving dialysis (according to CBS news). Why did he go to Pakistan for treatment? Because he couldn't get the medical care he needed in Afghanistan in 2001, so how in the hell would he get it now unless we know exactly where he is.

[Contrary1]

17. There are other forms of dialysis

that do not require the machine. I have always suspected that if Bin Laden was in need of kidney dialysis, he would use an alternate method.


All about dialysis: there are several forms of kidney dialysis.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0817/is_7_56/ai_102838028

[harpo]

11. he's not dead...if we had a more competent WH I might think different

[bloom]

13. RE - "ANYONE tipping off the US or some country of his location???"

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_12904.shtml

[devinsgram]

14. Get over yourself, he's not DEAD!

[karlrschneider]

15. Habeus Corpus.

:eyes:

[junker]

16. OBL does not have kidney disease. He is a vegetarian. He follows a part

OBL does not have kidney disease. He is a vegetarian. He follows a particular diet derived from suf tradition carried on into islam. The rumors of his kidney disease were put out in the days of the retaking of afghanistan when he worked with the cia. They, CIA, promulgated the kidney disease story to make the soviets hunt in specific areas. It stuck and has been around ever since.

His diet is based on grains and small number of vegetables. It is sort of a spiritual macrobiotic thing that was practiced by the suf's prior to islam arising. It became adapted within the sharia as a regimen that promotes contact with allah. It was his insistence on his own austerities that led to his rapid rise within the 'structure' of the mu'ja hadeen. In other words, he walks his talk.

As Sun Yat Sen was to note,
he who does not respect his enemy,
can never know his enemy, and thus has already lost

Learn. Don't just fixate. I realize being mono-memonic makes life easy, but it can also get you blindsided by things not allowed in your reality. This is Bush Think. Gotta watch out for that.