My argument with a bush supporter over abortion.

[life_long_dem]

He says, how do you know that child wouldn't have been the next Einstein, or Tesla or Newton, etc..? I replied how do you know that child wouldn't be the next Adolf, or OBL, or the worst thing possible, another george bush? I have my reasons for what I think is right, but to speculate on who the person will turnout to be is impossible. It is a poor arguement for one thing, and not the governments decision, as much as * wants it to be.

Kerry on...

[cheshire]

1. Kerry on indeed. Quik and dead on.

[Lorien]

2. Does he think * will end abortion?

Think again. They have the Whitehouse, Senate and House of reps., plus the Supreme court. If they wanted to stop abortion, they probably could, but then they would lose that carrot-that wedge issue- and then where would all the fundies be, faced with war and poverty and all manner of "unChristian" republican acts?

[TheFarseer]

3. There's no point in that

the only way to deal with a single issue voter is to shoot them in the head. Not that I recomend that.

[Philostopher]

4. A good one to offer up is Charles Manson.

Abortion was illegal when his mother had him, but she was indigent and had him in a 'home for unwed mothers' (read charity hospital) in Cincinnati, Ohio in the thirties. She was the exact kind of woman for whom abortion would have been a reasonably appealing option today -- she was poor, may have had drug or alcohol problems, and abandoned him as soon as possible, from what I understand (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was the story).

Ted Bundy is another one who's good to offer up in these arguments -- he was a Young Republican, and he killed how many women?

Of course, there are plenty of mass murderers who were born into poverty and bad circumstances. If their mothers had never birthed them, there's a whole truckload of grandchildren of contributing citizens who'd still be alive today.

[Infomaniac]

5. Yeah, I love the fundies bs about...

the shining lives snuffed out by evil abortion. It's always some potential genius that get's mentioned. I am so tempted to ask these twits if they would be for terminating a pregnancy that would result in the birth of some one who's going to murder one of their family members.

[gmoney]

6. Tell him abortions are UP under Bush...

thanks to the lousy economy, more women are aborting feti they can't afford...

[StupidFOX]

8. Ah, yes, once again the religious abandon practicality

to pander to the uneducated. What a mess. As a realist, I find social conservatism to be the complete opposite of rationality.

[cally]

7. Ask him if God chooses destiny?

If you belive that God influences you and determines your destiny, then why doubt that God decides your fate.

[pk_du]

9. Tell HIM ........

...its a WOMANS body so none of HIS fucking business !!

[pacalo]

10. This may help you in the future...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1025-25.htm

The solutions to the social issues used to manipulate good, decent people have no resemblance to how Jesus responded to the social concerns of his time. He never once mentioned the “right to life” the year he was born King Herod ordered the execution of all babies. (Matthew 2:16). He knew that passing laws does not change the heart. As a follower of his teaching I believe in the right to life, including the children in Iraq who stumble onto land mines, cross the street at the wrong time, or who are snuggly tucked within the warm bellies of their wounded or grieving mothers as US fighter jets fly overhead. These are living, breathing children. The killing of these little ones are never even reported, and our tax dollars pay for these bombs. I believe in the right to life for those in the United States who are unwanted and impoversihed. I believe in the right to life of the naive kid who was promised by the recruiter they could choose a desk job and still get their education paid or could see the world or could accelerate their life or could play a very realistic video game from a cockpit.

As a shelter worker, I know first hand the reality of unwanted children. I know the reality of this right wing rhetoric when week after week I begged and pleaded with people to give up only one night every three months to sit with these unwanted living children for a few hours while the overworked house parents had a night off. Of the few I found, many changed their minds when they discovered that they would need to wear rubber gloves to change the babies diapers. These “believers” stand on the street corners holding right to life signs and then vote against medical assistance for the mothers and their unwanted children creating an impossible existence for them. The few of these abortion activists who might adopt some of these unwanted children generally want the white and the healthy. The ones with hydrocephalous, tracheotomies, emotional/ mental problems and communicable diseases along with their life long medical expenses can be someone else’s problems.

[Trahurn]

11. Has Nothing To Do With Who?

The whole issue about abortion has nothing to do with who or what. It is simply the maintaining of a lawful and very private right for any woman. A simply acknowledgment that it is her body and like it or not she makes the call.

[Mugsy]

12. Bush = death

When I see George Bush, I see an endless stream of dead bodies behind him:

o As Governor of Texas, Death Row inmates were on a conveyor belt to the gas chamber, put to death at a rate not seen before NOR SINCE even following his Republican successor Rick Perry. Even when a number of prisoners on death row in various other states were found to actually be innocent following DNA testing, forcing Illinois' Republican pro-death-penalty govenor to declare a moratorium on executions, Bush declared that "no one on Texas' Death Row was there that didn't deserve to be there".

o President Bush's first healthcare action upon becoming President was to withhold all $34 Million in funding from the "United Nations Population Fund" for prenatal care for pregnant women because powerful Conservatives told him China was using the money to fund abortion clinics. The U.N. investigated and found the rumors to be completely false, yet the funding was never restored. It is impossible to know exactly how many newborns died or suffered crippeling birth defects as a result, or likewise how many women died in childbirth, but the UNPF estimates the funds "could have helped prevent as many as 2 million unwanted pregnancies and nearly 800,000 abortions; 4,700 maternal deaths and over 77,000 infant and child deaths in many countries."

o In the months leading up to 9/11, the Bush Administration ignored some 20 PDB's (Presidential Daily Briefings) suggesting a terrorist attack was imminent, most notably, the August 6th PDB he received while on vacation. During this time, the Bush Administration met ONCE, for the first time on September 7, just 4 days before the attacks. As a result, 2996 people were murdered as a result of the worst intelligence failure in American history.

o Six months after 9/11, before Afghanistan was secured, with Osama bin Laden, the perpetrator of 9/11, still unaccounted for, the Bush Administration engaged in gross exaggeration and outright lies to justify war against a (relatively) disarmed country that posed no threat to the United States. As a result, 1250+ collition forces, apx. 15,000 innocent Iraqi civilians (including women and children) are dead as a result (between 7%-8% of those dead are children).

This is their "pro LIFE" candidate's record.

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