Kerry campaign threatens to throw FOX off their plane

[jezebel]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/NotedNow/story?id=156246
KERRY CAMPAIGN BLOWS UP AT FOX, THREATENS TO THROW FOX OFF THE PLANE, BACKS OFF

KERRY CAMP OBJECTS TO 4:00pm FOX NEWS SEGMENT: ALAN COLMES: "It's not like he had a Kerry-Edward bumper sticker in his cave." NEIL CAVUTO: "But he's all but doing that, isn't he? I thought I saw a button."

KERRY CAMP ASKS FOR RETRACTION, DOES NOT GET ONE… JOHN SASSO BLOWS UP AT FOX PRODUCER ON PLANE: "Is that the one? Is that her? I want her off the plane tomorrow. I'm not kidding."

COMM. DIR. STEPHANIE CUTTER BACKTRACKS: "He was wrong to say that. We jumped all over him for it."


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I find this troubling (Washington Post article) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6365600/

Some Democrats held out hope that the reappearance of bin Laden would remind Americans that Bush still had not caught the arch-villain, and lend legitimacy to Kerry's argument that Bush allowed the United States to get distracted in Iraq. But Republicans argued — and some Democrats privately agreed — that the videotape would revive Americans' fears of terrorism, an issue on which Bush is strongest.
Kerry aides appeared visibly alarmed aboard the candidate's plane as they planned a response to the tape's airing. One prominent Democrat speculated that for swing voters who have not followed the election closely, bin Laden's reappearance may well boost Bush.


Perception is reality, the Kerry camp needs to be acting strong and assured.
And who the fuck is a "prominant Democrat" saying it will boost Bush? Even if they are afraid of that, why tell the media?

[Clinton Crusader]

1. Wouldnt you have LOVED to have been there...!!!!

[4morewars]

2. While its in the air ?

no parachute for faux.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I hope the plane is flying when they do it.

[d_b]

9. My thoughts exactly

[Algorem]

10. with bungee cords

around their necks

[LTR]

4. HELL F-ING YEAH!

Throw FOX off the plane. Screw 'em!

Make 'em beg for scraps!

[cubsfan forever]

5. How nice, one Faux whore jumping all over

another Faux whore for making a despicable political statement on live television. There are so "fair and balanced" it just about makes me sick.

Professor 2

[5thGenDemocrat]

6. When they do, I hope they're at cruising altitude

And don't even get me started on the whores from BSRNC.
John
Lord, I can't wait 'til Wednesday.

[Technowitch]

7. Hey, by being a blatant Repug mouthpiece...

...Faux News has declared they're not real media at all.

The Kerry campaign has every right and really should kick 'em off the plane.

[mcg]

8. FOX needs to publicly apologize to Kerry, or else ...

BOYCOTT THEM AND THEIR ADVERTISERS!

[Hello_Kitty]

11. You know, about the OBL thing

I think it just serves to remind people that he's still alive because * failed to get him. JFK should just hammer home that he wants to catch him, unlike * who says "I'm not concerned about him". Screw the media whores on this one.

[tomfodw]

12. Not useful for the campaign to do this

Fox is not the story. Even OBL is not the story. For Kerry and his supporters, the story is George W. Bush. The story is that Bush has failed. Failed to protect us, failed to guide us to prosperity, failed to preserve our good name in the world. Anything that gets us off that message, no matter how emotionally satisfying, is counter-productive.

They need to focus on the main target. OBL was able to make this tape because Bush forgot about killing him in order to wage a disastrous war in Iraq. Hammer that, and then, hammer it again. And again. And again.

Fuck Fox. The best revenge on them is to win on Tuesday. Nothing else matters.

[umtalal]

32. Why not throw one of Bush propagandists off the plane. Think Iraq,nuf said

[tomfodw]

37. Because Fox is not the story

No matter how angry they and we are with Fox - and even if the anger is justified - outside of the Kerry campaign and DU - nobody in America gives a shit! That kind of thing is "inside baseball" of no interest to people who may want to know why they should replace an incumbent with a senator probably half of the country had never heard of before this year.

We get so worked up about media bias that we think everyone else is as furious. But they're not. For the Kerry campaign to expend any energy on this - especially in public - distracts them when they can least afford to be distracted.

Yes, complain to Fox - in private. Make it clear to them that, if and when Kerry wins, they are going to be in a difficult position when it comes to access to the new administration. They won't like that.

But going public with it, to me, just takes the focus of George Bush's failures.

[lanparty]

48. We should be concerned about media bias ...

See everyone on the right believes the media has a left wing bias. And somehow, they think we're all 100% satisfied with the coverage that CNN provides. This has come from 30 years of "lobbying the refs".

At the same time, our guys don't lobby. They have a "better than that" attitude that dictates they must use a knife when the other guy is using a gun!!!

Sorry, but the left needs to point squarely to the media and point out it's bias towards conservatives!!!!!

[lanparty]

47. Big dog should HAMMERING Bush ...

Clinton needs to talk about the plots HE foiled and the nebulous intelligence he received. He needs to talk about the institutional initiatives he took to "shake the trees" of any more information and get the word out to FBI agents and border patrol to be on the lookout.

I 100% believe that if Gore was president, 9/11 would NEVER have happened!!! Gore would have responded to a terrorist warning in the SAME way that Clinton did:
* Gore would have appointed an Attorney General who did not consider pornography a higher priority than counter-terrorism.
* That attorney general would never make a statement like "I don't want to hear any more about this goddam terrorism!!!"
* Gore would have MET with his counter-terrorism czar instead of taking the longest vacation in presidential history.
* Gore would have had a written statement from EVERY FBI and Border agent regarding what THEY had done or ARE doing to catch terrorists.

And you know what, Kerry would do this too because he would NOT have been completely obsessed with Stem Cells and Missle Defense!!!! He fish rots from the head down. And our head doesn't even have a head!!! He doesn't think, he re-acts. He's not pro-active, he's re-active!!!!

[high density]

13. ABC's The Note: Are they related to Drudge?

This is like the qaqaa that he runs with.

Neil Cavuto is a Bush* whore and I'm not sure why this surprises people in the Kerry campaign.

[cubsfan forever]

14. ANY swing voter who is swayed by the OBL tape

was already voting for Asshat and thus not really a swing voter. This is pure MSNBC wishful thinking.

Professor 2

[nicktom]

15. About time they showed some spine towards these guys.

[Maiden England]

16. I would love to see them thrown off the plane

maybe they could take that CNNservative shill Candyman Crowley with them.

[0007]

43. They would need a ballast so the plane could fly level.

[Cha]

17. Why was he wrong to say that?

Who is John Sasso? Why should they carry around cargo like that?

[AnIndependentTexan]

18. still laughing at the tought of this

throwing fox out of a plane that is in the air that is.

[ciaobox]

19. Fox should not have been on the plane in the first place.

I am glad we finally woke up but SHEESH! Bush isn't giving Air America a plane pass!

[RafterMan]

20. DAMN them

These private Democrats and visibly alarmed aides -- both of which I believe exist after watching this forum -- do not have the luxury of private self-indulgences.

Somebody in the party should be swinging the cat tonight.

[featherman]

44. "visibly alarmed" is the word choice of the writer wishing to convey

his own negative take... not necessarily what was actually happening

[UCLA Dem]

21. they so should have!!!

[bloom]

22. Having FOX around is like having Rove or Hughes around

...actually it seems having anyone from the press around all the time would get really old.

[sampsonblk]

23. Fox BITES! When will we learn?

Why do Dems keep treating Fox like a legitimate news network. We LET them do this! Who didn't know the GOPers would go this route in the final week of this election???

[rpannier]

24. He should have kicked them off months ago n/t

[demgrrrll]

25. I am going to vent here. Your post makes no sense at all and it seems

to be geared towards doing exactly what the Bush campaign wants, demoralizing the base. I'm not buying that you are so concerned. Read Josh Marshall tonight. I will be the first to admit that he pisses me off from time to time, particularly his involvement with the Condit debacle but he is on the money this time. This is a ruse from the Bush campaign to throw the Kerry campaign off their stride and stop their momentum. Posts like this contribute to their strategy knowingly or unknowingly..but now that you know I am sure we won't see any other demoralizing threads posted by Jezebel, right?

[AnIndependentTexan]

31. I didn't pay attention to their post to consumed with the thought of

throwing fox out of the plane. That one made me laugh big time still laughing.

[jezebel]

33. I am sorry if you misunderstood my post. I actually think we have the same

point. I am saying I am concerned that the Kerry campaign is allowing journalist to see them concerned (according to the WaPo article) and that Democratic insiders are claiming it may help Bush. My point is even if they are concerned they need to not let that be seen. They need to project strength. We all do, regardless if we are worried or not.
And that is exactly why I added the quotes from the Post to my original post. I did not think it deserved it own post, but it ticked me off to read Democrats saying things and acting around the journalist as if this could hurt Kerry.

[gardenista]

36. Nope, I don't see it that way. This is a great tactical move if they do

it.

It puts the focus on Kerry being tough, and not taking shit from the likes of Fox News, and not allowing ANYONE to question his patriotism and fly around the country on his dime.

This MUST be done.

This is not a demoralizing thread.

[demgrrrll]

39. The reference was to the Bin Laden aspect of the post. eom.

.

[demgrrrll]

40. My response was meant for the Bin Laden Washington Post article.

The Fox story seemed separate.

[gardenista]

42. Ok, I'm feeling ya now. I was so caught up in wanting to kick FOX ass

that I didn't read that section.

In this case, though, I feel it's ok to include. Just MHO.

[Brundle_Fly]

26. Fox

must be worried that if Kerry is elected there goes there direct line to leads and stories from the white house. They'd have to rely on real journalism, and other cable news stations to break anything.

Good for Kerry campaign, Fuck Fox.

We need to get these assholes off the air.

[w4rma]

38. Rupert Murdock is worried that if Sen. Kerry wins he won't be able to buy

up more TV outlets and consolidate more power in America (in addition to the HUGE media holdings he has outside of America).

Murdock owns FOX and the NY Post and a majority of DirectTV.

[RoyGBiv]

27. He was NOT wrong to say that ...

It is HIGH time we stopped treating these people like members of a legitimate news organization.

Kick 'em off ... en route if necessary.

[realcountrymusic]

28. KICK THEM OFF!

[Straight Shooter]

29. "visibly alarmed"

Yeah, right. Sure, uh-huh. Whatever. Someone should clue Fox that the Kerry campaign has been preparing for this pile of steamin' crap ever since Kerry got the nomination.

[napi21]

30. Did Cavuto really say that? If so, why don't we ALL send emails

to FOX demanding an appology? That did seem to work somewhat with Sinclair. Most stations do pay attention if they get a lot of complaints! I realize you don't think it will make much diff. to FOX, but I think we ought to do it!

[gardenista]

34. YES! DO IT NOW!!!!!! Kerry, do not let those assholes impugne your honor.

not only that, it will send them over the edge and cause them to make mistakes, look hysterical, and expose themselves for the Bush surrogates they are.

CUT OFF THEIR MIKE!

[shelley806]

35. Richard Clark tonight on Nightline said that OBL's message was for

Americans to vote for Bush. OBL has Bush's button in his cave.

Clark also said quite emphatically that We could have gotten OBL in Torra Borra if not for Iraq; Bush screwed up on that one.

[LibertyorDeath]

41. What the fuck are they doing on the Plane in the first place.

They are not REAL Journalists & their audience for the most part is Rightarded.

[TheWebHead]

45. Well if they kick Faux News off the plane

they'd only better do it when the plane is airborne :D

[lanparty]

46. Unfair to Republicans ...

You're all looking at this the wrong way. You see this is inherently unfair to Republicans. The FACTS makes it impossible to campaign in an honest, respectable manner.

The ONLY way for the game to be fair is for Republicans to neutralize facts by LYING about them. Or in this case, making some outrageous hyperbole disguised as a "joke" but delivered in all seriousness!!!!

The other thing they have to do is tell only small portions of stories. Otherwise the stories would all be biased against them. In this case, Bin Laden commented how shocked he was that there were no military response to 4 simultaneous hijackings. OBL thought that 1 or more planes would have been shot down. He was utterly amazed at Bush sitting in the classroom doing NOTHING!!!!

There you have it. OBL says that Kerry and Bush have no philisophical differences with respect to the Middle East. He expressed no preferences. But he did note that Bush is weak on defense!!!!