Not to Swift Boaters claim to have copy of Kerry's military discharge...

[Contrary1]

They say it is "less than honerable", and are planning
to announce it Sunday at a DC rally. Someone going by
the nick "NavyChief" claims to have it in his possession.

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15238&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Lex]

1. : yawn :

Those freaks have been discredited numerous times.

[RoyGBiv]

2. Yawn ...

Are they still around?

So, anyway, WHO'S VOTING FOR KERRY!!!!!

[high density]

3. These people are nuts

and I do not believe a single thing they say.

[DenverDem]

4. This is obvious bull shit. Why are you posting it here?

Stop it.

[Contrary1]

15. I only posted it because there was talk

of a big surprise this weekend on another thread. Figured this might be it.

[DenverDem]

24. "Some people say. . . "

Stop it.

[TexasChick]

5. I thought his discharge papers were on Kerry's website? Oh, geez, will

this ever end?

[Lex]

7. No, these assholes are such losers that they will stalk Kerry

for 8 long years, just like they (same sick kind) did with Clinton.

They are parasites and Kerry is their unwilling host. It is sad.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

6. Yeah? Where did they get other than out of their asses?

If it was so easy that some jerk could just pull it up, why couldn't any media get it? And if they are so good at getting "secret" documents, why don't they go and find Bush's records that prove he showed up for duty?

[neomonkey]

8. I can't wait to see this Navy "chief"

Bwa ha, they'll pull some decrepid senile old freeper out of their ass and feed him some lines and it won't be fully discredited until November 3.

They know they are full of shit, they know they have nothing to pin on John Kerry, so they resort to a cowardly strategy: throw out some ludicrous charges which might stick with some of the sheople but which can't be proven wrong in such a short media cycle.

[NMDemDist2]

9. yeah and that's why the Navy thanked him for his service

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Acceptance_of_Discharge_Naval_Reserve.pdf

[geek tragedy]

10. They claim they have a former Sec. of Navy to bolster their smear

Even the Freepers are skeptical of these loons.

[Lex]

12. Wonder how old or senile or whatever this guy will be.

Do this swift boaters not realize that Kerry has fought in bitter Senate races before the Presidential run, so any "dishonorable discharge" would've arise before now?

[uhhuh]

25. I wondered what happed to

Admiral Stockdale?

[LiberalAndProud]

11. A twinge of pity for these guys. They want desperately to take Kerry down.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. No pity

I reserve my pity for those who deserve it. Children, animals, the elderly, the innocent.

[LiberalAndProud]

16. and the disillusioned ?

[neomonkey]

19. Now there is a group whose voices must be heard :)

I think we need a lobbyist at the very least.

[Buddyblazon]

14. "PSSSTTTT...

...hey man...check it out...I got the Declaration of Independence here...you can have it for fifty bucks! No...seriously...its authentic."

[Trahurn]

17. This Has Already Been Settled

I read an article about 60 days ago where U.S. Navy brass were being pestered to investigate Kerry's medals. The senior Naval officer it quoted(an admiral I think but certainly at least a captain) said that first of all an investigation had already been conducted along these lines many years ago instigated by the then opposition to Kerry in a Mass. Senate race. He said that the Navy was complete satisfied that all Kerry's citations and the history of his military service all comply with Naval regulations and Traditions and that mounting such an investigation would be a total waste of time. I short the Navy said everything Kerry did in the Navy and every citation awarded him were all factual and totally legitimate. Now in a last ditch and very desperate effort by the Bush slime to have one more go at attacking Kerry for his military service and accomplishments they are finding that all the mud they try and throw at Kerry for some reason just does not stick. Could it be that John Kerry indeed has a very distinguished Naval Career complete with heroic citations that would make any military man envious? I suppose when the opposition can't seem to find anything that works they just start throwing mindless drivel against the well in a desperate hope that somehow, someway it will work.
What pathetic, single celled organisms republicans are. And that's being generous.

[ima_sinnic]

18. oh, gee, that ought to make a big uproar

... among all 37 people at the rally.

infantile losers.

[Zuni]

20. Here is a quick response refutation of all charges made by SBVT this week

posted in other threads, but here it is.

Perhaps that explains the very first sentence in the "circular" -- the one that probably best sums up the experience of North Vietnamese efforts to influence the US anti-war movement. "The antiwar movements in the US are unpredictable." From this circular -- laying aside questions of it's accuracy -- we can draw a few conclusions, not at all consistent with the "conspiratorial" conclusions drawn by the Swift Boat Liars.

1. One antiwar group received "assistance and guidance" from the NV in Paris. That group was the PCPJ.

2. The PCPJ was not "closely associated" with the other principle anti-war group, the NPAC -- as evidenced by the failure of the two groups to cooperate on a number of points, including the failure of the PCPJ to convince the NPAC to adopt its slogans and tactics, and the conspicuous failure of the PCPJ to gain cooperation from the NPAC in demonstrations to be held in May 71. .

3. Many of the slogans and tactics of the PCPJ -- those presumably advanced by the NV in Paris -- were "not successful."

4. John Kerry, in July, 1971, adopted the position of the NPAC for a “timeline” for US withdrawal, which was at odds with that advanced by the PCPJ -- suggesting that John Kerry's positions with the VVAW were also at odds with the "assistance and guidance" furnished by the NV in Paris. In other words, Kerry SPECIFICALLY DID NOT FOLLOW that "guidance" -- assuming that he ever heard it.

5. To the extent that Kerry's actions coincide with the desires of the North Vietnamese delegation in Paris, it is not because that delegation was directing Kerry, it is because that delegation was "learning lessons" from the failures of its own operatives -- those in the PCPJ – who had unsuccessfully urged “immediate withdrawal” as the anti-war position.

6. John Kerry was part of the "unpredictability" of the anti-war movement -- a movement, which the "circular" correctly describes as "spontaneous."

7. The North Vietnamese clearly wanted to influence the American anti-war movement, but they were largely unsuccessful. The anti-war movement was an American movement, made up of American citizens concerned about the actions of our government in what many regarded -- and still regard -- as a misguided foreign military adventure. They were not "communists" or 'revolutionaries' -- as evidenced by the refusal of most to adopt the "communist" or "revolutionary" slogans suggested by the North Vietnamese. In fact, it appears that the North Vietnamese made the same mistake our own flying monkeys have made. They equated dissent on the wisdom of American involvement in Vietnam with sympathy for the communists in Vietnam. It wasn't that Americans opponents of the war in Vietnam were "communists" who "supported" the North Vietnamese. It was rather a fundamental question about the wisdom of sacrificing 58,000 American soldiers to fight communists in a jungle on the other side of the world. The flying monkeys will, without hesitation, send your son to die fighting communists on the other side of the world -- no matter how dictatorial or corrupt the regime is on "our" side. Most Americans stand with the majority position of the anti-war movement. We believe in exercising a little discretion before we send our sons to die overseas. John Kerry clearly held that sensible majority position.

That brings us around to the "talking points."

This story will "hit" the media -- and will be circulated "under the radar" in private emails, etc. -- by Sunday or so. You need to be ready.

Here is your one paragraph response.

The captured documents do not show that the American anti-war movement was influenced or "guided" by the North Vietnamese. They show the opposite. The documents themselves describe the anti-war movement as "spontaneous" and "unpredictable." They show that the one organization in contact with the North Vietnamese -- the PCPJ -- failed to gain the cooperation of other anti-war groups. They show that the "slogans" and "tactics" suggested by the North Vietnamese were "not successful" -- in the words of the circular. Oh, and the documents don't mention Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- or John Kerry in particular -- AT ALL.



If you see this story in your newspaper, see it on TV, hear it on the radio, or see in your email, RESPOND TO IT IMMEDIATELY -- using the facts I have just laid out. If you can't remember the further details, just send along a link to this page. Remember, this kind of "late hit" from the flying monkeys is designed to level a charge, and not give us time to refute it -- something we can absolutely do, using their own source material. Those captured documents don't show what they claim, and you must make sure as many people know it, as soon as this story rears it's head, as you can.

[qnr]

21. My question would be, if this informations was held by the

Chief, or the former Secretary of the Navy - why wouldn't the freepers be jumping all over them for having "covered up" the information for all this time? What are they going to do to those two come Wednesday, when Kerry is the new Commander In Chief?

Simply amazing.

[AnIndependentTexan]

22. mediamatters has all the info you need

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010/

In this series of articles, Corsi has accused Kerry of "violating the legal provision against negotiating with foreign powers (18 U.S.C. 953) and the constitutional prohibition against giving support to our nation's enemies during wartime (Article III, Section 3)"; asserted that Kerry's actions as an anti-war activist amounted to treason; and claimed that "Kerry and the VVAW consistently coordinated their efforts with Communists." Corsi asserted that, in 1971, Kerry's anti-war activism amounted to a proclamation by him that "Communists were right in maintaining that American values were corrupt and that the only solution was for America to capitulate so Communism could continue to spread." As Media Matters for America has noted, Kerry was quoted expressing exactly the opposite sentiment in a December 12, 1971, Boston Globe article: "I don't like Communists," Kerry said. "In fact, I hate them. I hate all totalitarians. I'm totally dedicated to representative, pluralistic, free democracy."

On August 6, Salon.com's Joe Conason documented links between Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the conservative online forum www.FreeRepublic.com. Conason noted that the designer of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website is Robert A. Hahn, a director of the Free Republic Network, a conservative activist organization affiliated with FreeRepublic.com. Scott Swett, who is listed as the webmaster of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth website, swiftvets.com, also appeared on FOX News Channel host Sean Hannity's August 5 radio show to discuss the group. Swett posts frequently to FreeRepublic.com, using the pseudonym "Interesting Times," and is also a director of the Free Republic Network. The wintersoldier.com website to which Swett has contributed articles is a project of the Free Republic Network.

Corsi is also a frequent participant in FreeRepublic.com's online forums, posting under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001. (Click here to read a full set of Corsi's posts; click here to read the post in which "jrlc" admits to being Jerome Corsi.)

On FreeRepublic.com, Corsi has, among other things, said that "ragheads" are "boy buggers"; referred to "John F*ing Kerry"; called Senator Hillary Clinton a "Fat Hog"; referred to her daughter as "Chubby Chelsie" Clinton; referred to Janet Reno as "Janet Rhino"; called Katie Couric "Little Katie Communist"; suggested Kerry was "practicing Judaism"; and expressed the wish that a small plane that had crashed into a building in Los Angeles had instead crashed into the set of NBC'S The West Wing, thereby killing actor Martin Sheen.

[despairing optimist]

23. Agent Orange is doing the talking

Look under Psychiatric and you'll find "severe personality changes" as well as anger and depression. They have an axe to grind, and it shows. They preach only to the choir at this point.

[MacGregor]

26. Will they unveil this before or after...

...the mythical Kerry stomps on/pisses on/burns the American flag that they've been having wet dreams about?

*sniff* Anyone else smell the flop sweat?

[ciaobox]

27. Who cares?

Why even discuss these lies?

Kerry landslide!

[progressivebydesign]

28. Ha, ha. NAVYCHIEF!!! He's a lightweight!

He's the one that had the Freepers lying awake one night, a few weeks ago, over a BIG story HE was breaking the next morning that would "blow Kerry out of the water!". The next morning... an editorial about Kerry's service ran in an obscure New Hampshire paper, and promptly died. He's a wannabe. And they treat him like a God.. because he SWEARS he worked on the MIA effort when Kerry was there. (He was probably the janitor in the office).