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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:24 AM
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On the morning of 9-11, Bush wasn't the only one who knew and did nothing
No one in the top leadership of the US government did anything either.


On Sept 11, 2001 at about 9:00 AM Bush arrived at Booker Elementary. When Bush stepped out of the limo, he already knew that a passenger jet had hit the WTC and that there were other hijacked planes in the air. Bush wasn?t the only one who knew this. Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Myers, Tenet were all told about, or saw on TV, the first attack. By 9:00 AM all of them knew that a terrorist attack was in progress.

All four planes were scheduled to take off by 8:01 AM. If everything had gone according to plan, then by 9:00 ? 9:15 AM at the latest, the attack should have been over. However, two of the planes took off late, with flight 93 taking off 45 minutes behind schedule.

If all of the planes had left on time, Bush wouldn?t have gotten stuck sitting in a 2nd grade classroom reading, My Pet Goat, waiting for the attack to finish.

Cheney wouldn?t have had to just sit in his office with Condi watching the attack on CNN but otherwise not reacting, until the SS came to drag him out, when they found out a plane might be heading to DC.

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz wouldn?t have had to continue with their meeting, claiming that they didn?t think there was anything they could do about the attack at that point anyway.

Myers wouldn?t have had to go into Max Cleland?s office, leaving instructions with the secretary not to disturb them.

Tenet would not have finished breakfast in DC and then tried to drive through DC traffic, all the way to Langley, VA before checking in.

Now I can understand one or two people reacting inappropriately, but not every single person in the top leadership positions. The only reason I can come up with to explain all of these odd reactions is that they knew. They knew what was going down and they had to wait for it to be over before they could react.

Fortunately, things don't always go the way you plan but because of the flight delays and Bush and the rest of the gang got stuck stalling and looking like a bunch of fools. Because of the delays, the rest of the world was given a small window of time to examine and see the real reactions and responses of the people in power to an ongoing terrorist attack. No wonder the 9-11 Commission didn?t want to examine the actual events and reactions of the leadership that morning. Because if they did, it would have proved that the top leadership of this country knew exactly what was going on and allowed it to happen.

So here we are 3 years later and not a single one of them has been held accountable for their inaction. It?s a good thing we are having an election in four days because it is time for the American people to hold them accountable. It is time for them to go.
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wolfgirl Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:26 AM
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1. Ya know...
a question that has always bothered me is about the Secret Service's actions that day. According to Cheney the Secret Service barreled in & placed him in protective custody almost immediately whent his happened.

But the Secret Service did nothing with Bush. Has this ever been addressed? I would have thought the Secret Service would have immediately grabbed up Bush & taken off for shelter.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:40 AM
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4. By most accounts
the SS did not come to get Cheney until after they found out that one of the planes was heading toward DC at around 9:30 AM.

Of course, that still does not explain why they did not show the same concern for Bush's safety. Especially, since he was sitting in the middle of an elementary school full of children.

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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:27 AM
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2. They all need to be held accountable!
Sounds like Depraved Indifference to me!
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:35 AM
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3. About the ONLY thing that went right...
...was that the FAA (?) grounded anything that was in the air at that time, and the skies were clear of all traffic for over a week IIRC...

Too bad some folks from the FBI didn't meet and greet the inbound planes, and maybe check over the planes' passenger lists before everyone disembarked and disappeared.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:41 AM
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5. Why haven't these awfully big "coincidences" been reported & investigated?
"For me, the pivotal evidence absolutely demonstrating direct government complicity in, and management of, the attacks was found in a number of undisputed, yet virtually unaddressed wargames that I will show were being conducted, coordinated and/or controlled by Vice President Dick Cheney or his immediate staff on the morning of September 11th. The names of those wargames are known to include: Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance, and Tripod II. All have been reported on by major press organizations relying on undisputed quotes from participating military personnel. They have also been confirmed by NORAD press releases. All, except for Northern Vigilance and Tripod II, had to do with hijacked airliners inside the continental United States, specifically within the Northeast Air Defense Sector where all four 9/11 hijackings occurred.
According to a clear record, some of these exercises involved commercial airline hijackings. In some cases, false blips were deliberately inserted onto FAA and military radar screens and they were present during (at least) the first attacks. This effectively paralyzed fighter response because, with only eight fighters available in the region, there were as many as 22 possible hijackings taking place. Other exercises, specifically Northern Vigilance, had pulled significant fighter resources away from the northeast U.S. – just before 9/11 – into northern Canada and Alaska. In addition, a close reading of key news stories published in the spring of 2004 revealed for the first time that some of these drills were "live-fly" exercises where actual aircraft, likely flown by remote control – were simulating the behavior of hijacked airliners in real life. All of this as the real attacks began. The fact that these exercises had never been systematically and thoroughly explored in the mainstream press, or publicly by Congress, or at least publicly in any detail by the so-called independent 9/11 Commission, made me think that they might be the holy grail of 9/11.

And an additional nonmilitary biowarfare exercise called Tripod II, being "set up" in Manhattan on September 11th was under the direct coordination of FEMA and – by White House directive – the immediate control of the Vice President. The setup for that exercise conveniently placed a fully staffed FEMA, New York City and Department of Justice command post on Manhattan's Pier 29 in time for it to be conveniently used as the command post after the Twin Towers had collapsed. "

-- Michael Ruppert
www.fromthewilderness.com

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 08:50 AM
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6. Because the 9-11 Commission did everything they could
to avoid examining the actual events that happened on that morning. They refused to look at anything that might incriminate this misadministration. They looked at the past and the future but they ignored the present.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:02 AM
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7. Weird, I just read the transcript from Osama's statement yesterday
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 09:07 AM by DoYouEverWonder
"And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration notice."

It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers we were given three times the period required to execute the operations. All praise is due to Allah.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

He seems to confirm my theory that the attack should have been over by 9:00 AM before anyone could notice and react. He never expected that they would do nothing to stop the attack once they knew what was going on.







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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:19 AM
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8. Well goddamn....
Edited on Sat Oct-30-04 09:25 AM by Devils Advocate NZ
I have long been a MIHOP believer - in fact that is what bought me to DU in the months after Sept 11. I had started visiting web forums, something I had never done before, to post my thoughts on what had happened. In fact I was talking about the anomalies at the Pentagon BEFORE that French book came out.

Anyway, in all that time, it never once occured to me that the reason Bush and the others had such strange reactions was not only because they expected the attack, but because the attack's timing had gone awry and they were forced to act strangely in order to wait for the attacks to finish before "acting".

This would explain also, I believe, Bush's strange flight around the country after the attack - he wasn't afraid of the terrorists, he was afraid that attack had not gone according to plan and that he may have been exposed.

He stayed hidden until he was SURE that the media had peoples reactions under control. He couldn't be in Washington or anywhere else he could have been expected to go, because if things had gone wrong, that is where people would be looking for him.

As I said in the subject line: goddamn! It all makes perfect sense, and soldifies in my opinion not LIHOP (where the timing of the attack would not be so precisely known) but MIHOP.

This could also explain the latest Osama video. Say for a moment that Osama WAS working with the Bush cabal, BUT had been double crossed. He was MEANT to go down in Tora Bora, which is why the Iraq plans were set for so soon. The Bush cabal expected Bin Laden to have been captured and thus there would be no reason to question the timing of the war.

But Osama cottoned onto the fact that HE was going to take the whole blame, and scarpered. Now what has this got to do with the video?

Perhaps the video is in fact a veiled warning, giving just enough info about the attack that people who really think about it could make the connection between an attack that was MEANT to only last 20 minutes but instead lasted over an hour, and a government that did NOTHING to stop it.

Perhaps this video is Bin Ladens way of telling Bush to back off or he will be exposed too. Remember, before this video, Osama had actually denied active involvement in the attack - why change the story now?

Anyway, this is the thought process that your post has opened up in my mind - a process that I had never considered before, and for that I thank you.

On edit - You can see you opened a can of worms in my mind, because it has just occured to me that this could be the reason why Bush was trying to block the release of the Osama tape - not becuase he was afraid it might remind people that Bush has failed to capture him, but because of the info about the attack that it contained.

If the cabal became aware of its contents, they certainly would not want an apparent confirmation of Bush inaction on that morning to be broadcats alll over the news!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:31 AM
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9. Here's Wolfowitz's account of how him and Rummie reacted
Q: Do you remember then the impact of the plane into the Pentagon? Or had you first heard stories about New York? What was --

Wolfowitz: We were having a meeting in my office. Someone said a plane had hit the World Trade Center. Then we turned on the television and we started seeing the shots of the second plane hitting, and this is the way I remember it. It's a little fuzzy.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: There didn't seem to be much to do about it immediately and we went on with whatever the meeting was. Then the whole building shook. I have to confess my first reaction was an earthquake. I didn't put the two things together in my mind. Rumsfeld did instantly.

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 10:09 AM
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11. There are so many questions...
Does it seem weird to anyone else that the top officials in our government would be finding out about the WTC by turning on the television? I mean, how long did it take for the first plane to go off course after take-off from Logan? Wouldn't ANYONE have alerted the authorities in that time? Then, how long was it between the first strike and the second? The Pentagon?

According to a timeline, flight #11 lost contact at 8:14am and was officially called "hijacked" at 8:25. Impact with the first tower was at 8:46. Flight #175 lost contact at 8:41 and impacted the second tower at 9:02. Flight #77 impacted the Pentagon at 9:37am. So from 8:14 - 9:37 am our highest members of government were THAT CLUELESS?! They found out by turning on the t.v. like everyone else? Damn, I think the President found out about Pearl Harbor faster than that, and there were no such things as television, computers and cell phones.

Even if you don't believe that it was some kind of conspiracy, you have to be wondering why anyone would choose to vote for such an inept administration. Any way you look it at, it doesn't speak well of BushCo. That's why I never understood why BushCo gets high marks from so many (even some liberals) for his leadership after 9/11.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 09:38 AM
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10. They did do something. THEY RAN AND HID. My first really big
moment of thinking WTF? in regard to this administration.
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 10:11 AM
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12. not possible
Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Myers, Tenet were all told about, or saw on TV, the first attack.

wrong

the first plane hitting the towers was not on tv
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-04 10:28 AM
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13. I did not mean to imply that they saw the first plane hit
but they all claimed to have seen the first tower soon after it was attacked on TV.

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