Camille Paglia endorsing Kerry...Salon interview..

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I know many people on here, including myself have come to loathe Paglia. In the early portion of her fame and career I found her somewhat refreshing, but once she took the turn to the ridiculous land of "I'm a liberal and a democrat but I want to complain about anything and everything liberal and democratic." and personally I think I hate that more than I hate out and out republican conservatives. But in any event I'm surprised to find that she really likes Kerry. She still gives Bush more credit than he deserves (which is ANY), and her appreciation of Hannity makes me wretch. But I'm also surprised that she doesn't try and do the typical irrational slash and burn on Michael Moore as most of these liberals turned conservatives fell almost obliged to do (although for some reason she seems to think he's a host on AAR). In any event the interview is an interesting read if you can stomach her(subscription only I think but try anyway).

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2004/10/30/paglia/index.html

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First of all, I think Kerry will be a far better president than he is a campaigner. This is a man with gravitas who is totally prepared to be president. He has national political experience, historical knowledge, and personal contact with the wider world -- unlike Bush. Where he lacks information, Kerry will inform himself -- unlike Bush. I think he will make good appointments -- unlike Bush. And Kerry will repair our alliances: He will win back respect for America abroad. He speaks other languages -- unlike Bush. And Kerry's wife, Teresa, despite her current excessive candor (reminiscent of Hillary Clinton's arrival at the White House), is a truly international personality who speaks many languages and understands world cultures.

Kerry will build bridges again to the outside world. He will be someone whom America can be proud to represent us. In the age of terrorism, we cannot simply withdraw into our fort the way Bush has and imagine all will go well. There are no walls any longer. Our walls are absolutely porous to infiltration by terrorists. Thus we cannot have a world poisoned by anti-Americanism the way it is now, thanks to the clumsiness and arrogance of the Bush administration.

[blondeatlast]

1. Well, it's ll give her lots of air time if he wins!

I still loathe her, the quintessential self-loathing feminist and liberal, but oh, well.

Can you imagine how she'd react to a Hilary presidency?! :evilgrin:

[displacedtexan]

2. To late, Hon!

We're till gonna hate your stupid columns, and we'll gladly watch the Day Pass ads to deny Salon our subscription dollars as long as they hand you a paycheck.

So there.

Edited to add a comma.

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6. She doesn't write for Salon any more...

This is an interview with her by one of their regular contributors.

Actually at this point I don't think Salon has ANY conservative leaning regular writers. They pretty much purged Camille, Sullivan, and Horowitz and I think that was all they ever had.

I'll never let my subscription lapse. I think Salon has some of the best writing and research around. And now that they got rid of those 3 clowns I'd say that about 98% of their writing is anti-Bush and left leaning.

[Cerridwen]

3. This FINO (feminist in name only) is just working toward

her own self interests. Should the state of facsism in this country be allowed to continue its course, she would finally have to take a side rather than keeping one foot on each side as she does now in an attempt to garner profit from progressives and conservatives.

[npincus]

4. props to Paglia

for getting it right this time

[indigobusiness]

5. You pulled your tongue out of Bush's ass in time to endorse Kerry,Camille?

Well, isn't that special?

Where were you when you might've helped?

[NightOwwl]

7. Camille Paglia and Maureen Dowd

should start a club. I'll even name it for them. The 'No One Gives a Shit What you Think' club

[bluestateguy]

8. She supported Nader in 2000

That's a new Kerry vote in Pennsylvania.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. I am glad she's now supporting us to get herself attention

other than that, I must post this everytime I see her name


Impolitic, by Molly Ivins.

I Am the Cosmos

Austin, Texas --- ``So write about Camille Paglia,'' suggested the
editor. Like any normal person, I replied, ``And who the hell might
she be?''

Big cheese in New York intellectual circles. The latest rage. Hot
stuff. Controversial.

But I'm not good on New York intellectual controversies, I explained.
Could never bring myself to give a rat's ass about Jerzy Kosinski.
Never read Andy Warhol's diaries. Can never remember the name of the
editor of this _New Whatsit_, the neo-con critical rag. I'm a no-hoper
on this stuff, practically a professional provincial.

Read Paglia, says he, you'll have an opinion. So I did; and I do.

Christ! Get this woman a Valium!

Hand her a gin. Try meditation. Camille, honey, calm down!

<snip>

One of her latest efforts at playing enfant terrible in intellectual
circles was a peppy essay for _Newsday_, claiming that either there is
no such thing as date rape or, if there is, it's women's fault because
we dress so provocatively. Thanks, Camille, I've got some Texas
fraternity boys I want you to meet.

There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree that
politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity.
Nowadays, when a woman behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable
fashion, we say, ``Poor dear, it's probably PMS.'' Whereas, if a man
behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, ``What an
asshole.'' Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia,
Sheesh, what an asshole.
http://bush.cs.tamu.edu/~erich/misc/ivins_on_paglia

[rockydem]

10. appreciation of Hannity?

WTF?

[melody]

11. This is like when Pozner mounted the tanks with Yeltsin in Russia

The media whore Paglia has seen the tide turning and so she's going with the flow.

Too bad Dennis Miller couldn't read the trade winds.

[tblue37]

12. I think maybe you didn't read the whole thing.

She says she is going to vote for Kerry, and then she praises Bush and Hannity and trashes Keryy, Edwards, and Michael Moore. The ration of praise to bashing of Kerry and the Dems in the interview is about 1:4, and the praise to bashing of Bush and the Repubs about 4:1.

With "friends" like her, we don't need enemies. Hell, with friends like her, we don't even need enemas.

What a pissant.

[UTUSN]

13. So Much to Shoot at in PAGLIA and Not Worth the Time/Effort

But sketchily: She compares JK unfavorably to CLINTON in the area of media skills, but goes on to call CLINTON a (clown?---don't want to dig back 6 pages to find what she called him).

She sez JK and the Dems don't show gumption in attacking the Shrubbites, but then she shoots down any of them who DO: McAULIFFE is "a buffoon"; Michael MOORE is a lowlife for making fun of "a sitting president"; FRANKEN is "juvenile".

(Sidebar: Regarding McAULIFFE, not popular around here, I think he has been sharp, aggressive, raised the loot, made good decisions like getting the primaries done early.)

And she ends with claiming to be "the only one" who disbelieved the WMD scam. Uh, no, Doc, there were at least 50,000 just on this site who knew just as much as you.

And, along with the poster who will post the IVINS column on PAGLIA every time PAGLIA comes up, here's my re-post regarding her and the rest of the Classics Department terrors:

NIEZSCHE is one of a group who are often portrayed as strange, impenetrable, and on some weird and original tangent all their own, when the secret that binds ALL of these seeming mavericks ---NIETZSCHE, STRAUSS, PAGLIA, and Victor Davis HANSON (CHEENEE's guru)--- is the CLASSICS Department, the pre-Christian values they are INDIVIDUALLY steeped in ---and wanted to be a part of, literally.

It's not that NIETZSCHE "influenced" the ones after him, it's that EACH of these WENT BACK individually to the Ancients. They want to live by the "strong" pre-Christian values of STRENGH, physical force/domination, PRIDE ("gloating") as opposed to the "weak" values of humility, mercy, turning the other cheek.

And it's NOT that NIEZCHE was a proto-Nazi. Richard WAGNER *was* one and NIETZSCHE broke with him. After he went into his mental helplessness his unintellectual sister took control of his body and dressed him as a prophet, literally, with people visiting to pay obeissance, which would have REPELLED him, and herself courted the proto-Nazis according to her own small understanding of him, or just for her self-interest.

CHEENEE did a little dance right before the Iraq attack, presenting Victor Davis HANSON to the media as his guru. This dude has been laying out the PNAC working plans for public consumption, the two-pronged thing of active war (preemptive/proactive) plus "noble goals" (forcing democracy on others). His role has been to dig up historical examples as precedents for what the PNAC-ers want to do anyway.