Anyone Talking About the "My Pet Goat" reference by OBL-I think it's huge

[heidiho]

That OBL said they thought they only had 20 minutes to act until Bush would give orders - but he sat in a classroom.

Why isn't this the MAIN topic of discussion this morning???

[leftofthedial]

1. OBL says Michael Moore was right

We all know the little bushturd blew it by sitting on his dumb ass reading the goat book.

[IndianaGreen]

12. The last thing we need is OBL's endorsement of F911

OBL is nothing but a criminal and a terrorist. Who knows how this videotape of his will play out over the weekend, but one thing for sure, the last thing we need is OBL's endorsement of F911 (which he obviously has seen!).

[leftofthedial]

14. nevertheless, he says the bushturd's delay

aided the terrorists and was an error

[cosmicone]

2. I agree wit you ... but ....

if we bring it out, it will look like Osama wants Bush to lose and that is not good for Kerry. So let the sleeping dogs remain sleeping.

[Must_B_Free]

3. This say's it's ALL POPPY too...The Puppetmaster

We found no difficulties in dealing with the Bush administration, because of the similarities of that administration and the regimes in our countries, half of which are run by the military and half of which are run by monarchs. And our experience is vast with them.

And those two kinds are full of arrogance and taking money illegally.

The resemblance started when Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries.

Then, what happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders.

[cliss]

9. This is pretty incriminating. No wonder

Bush never notified Kerry about the tape when it turned up.

I'd say this is about as scathing a commentary as you can get. The most insulting thing, by far, is the reference to the US as a Kingdom, or a fiefdom. Large tracts of land are given by the father.

The implications are staggering, and they're not good. How about that reference: Bush the Elder was impressed by the Saudis and wanted to export the same system to the US. Wow.

[mourningdove92]

4. Yesterday, one of the repug talking heads answered a

question about that reference by saying"Michael Moore is giving aid and comfort to the enemy"

Had to switch channels, don't know who she was.

[chookie]

7. Oh, so it's Michael Moore's fault!

I guess he duct-taped His Chimperial Majesty to the chair, or sat on him so he couldn't get up and leap into action.

Gotta love our new Soviet-style Democracy....

[liveoaktx]

13. Was this women, Danielle Pletka of AEI

http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500079/default.asp

[Nicholas_J]

5. I have a strong feeling that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda

Issued some kind of warning just prior to the attack on 9/11 and that Bush did not take the warning. The hints that this may have been what occured are all over the latest tapes, and frequently we get toned down translations of Al Qaeda tape releases.

For example, the tape released by Bin Laden just as we invaded Iraq was translated with something like "We know that Saddam and his socialist government are bad, but first the Iraqi people must repel the Bush and the Western Crusaders, and then deal with Hussein.

The actual transation was far harsher on Hussein, vcalling him an apostate and his government un-Islamic, and that as an apostate bin Laden must be overthrowen and killed in the most brutal manner.

The actual message of the tape was that Hussein was an apostate, while the crusders were infidels. The punishement for apostasy in Islam is death and a pretty brutal death.

I imagine that the message of this tape was altered somewhat to favor Bush administration talking points.

Do you remember the long tape that was found in Afghanistan and the days or even weeks it took for us to hear a "translation" It really would not take all that much time for an Arabic speaker to translate it verbatim. But to change the message so it reflected what the Bush Administration wanted, without appearing to really vary from the real Arabic meaning would have taken much more time.

[BUSHOUT]

6. Pukes take on it: Moore offers aid and comfort to enemy. n/t

[bettyellen]

8. they benn hanging that on him forever. nothing new here yet...

[Joe Turner]

10. Bush's comments that he was not concerned about capturing OBL

if far more damaging and it takes the focus off of the OBL tape which can cut either way.

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

11. They are winning the spin on this one. Here is a plan:

The right-wing spin on the reference to Bush reading the goat book is that it is a reference to F9/11. That doesn't change the simple fact that Bush really did sit there, for seven minutes, after being informed of the second collision of a jet with a World Trade Tower. The Congressional 9/11 Committee report agrees with this reporting of the facts. I heard that Moore got that footage under the Freedom of Information Act? Is that correct?

Maybe ObL read the 9/11 report first.

In any case, we need to spin this back to anybody we hear it from Monday:

"Why is the truth called 'aid and comfort to the enemy?' Does our defense depend on lying about what our leader did when we were attacked?"

The Right is also going to need to spin other issues. We need to get out ahead of them, because over the weekend spin will be settling in with viewers.

Other issues:
Reference by ObL to state-by-state scrutiny of election results.
Reference by ObL to 1982 Israel-Lebanon conflict.

I found some articles about 1982, or that touch on it.
http://www.rand.org/publications/CF/CF129/CF-129.chapter6.html

http://www.rand.org/publications/CF/CF129/CF-129.chapter6.html">6. Lebanon: 1982-1984
by John H. Kelly>
Prologue
In Arlington National Cemetery, across the Potomac River from Washington, there is a Cedar of Lebanon. It stands over a small memorial. The Cedar marks the graves of some of the more than 300 American military, embassy, and civilian personnel who were killed in Beirut in the 1980s. On October 23 each year there is a remembrance service on the anniversary of the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks. I have had the sad honor of speaking at two of these remembrance services. Just as we remember our dead, it is worth remembering why we sent the Marines to Beirut and what we did wrong so that we can try to avoid the same mistakes in the future...