Heads exploding in freeperland

[Mabus]

I just got this link from a friend who, for whatever reason, peeks in on the zoo.

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Fox Panel Predicts Narrow Kerry Win
Fox Bulls and Bears Show | 10/30/04

Posted on 10/30/2004 7:37:43 AM PDT by pabianice

By 3-2, the Sunday Fox Bulls and Bears panel predicted a narrow Kerry win, with Chris Wallace saying that as of today, Kerry has 268 electoral votes and needs only 2 more from a swing state. Four of the five think there will be less than two points between winner and loser, with one predicting a popular vote win for Bush but an EV win for Kerry.

I am mystified by this prediction, especially after the two Al Qaeda tapes this week. Bush has maintained a lead in every national poll, and that was before the tapes.

Fox has been down on Bush for months. I don't understand their reasoning.

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(several later)
"Fox has been down on Bush for months. I don't understand their reasoning."


A close race brings big ratings.


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(and from someone else)
Damn it's allll over. I'm not even going to vote now, I'm going to tell everyone I know not to vote either. It's pointless now.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1262620/posts

[aquart]

1. Pointless?

Are the darlings giving us Congress as a freebie?

[TexasSissy]

5. I think the "pointless" poster was being sarcastic.

[Mr_Spock]

28. without a doubt

[ksoze]

2. They are saying Fox is part of the "elite media" now...

and that they were never fair or balanced. Oh, yeah, and that Chris Wallace has always been the dems pocket. I love it!

[KharmaTrain]

Turn Your World On It's Head...Welcome To Faux Noise

To the biggest kool-aid drinkers, Faux IS mainstream. Anyone who isn't talking the Hannity, North, Limbo, Savage, Boortz and/or O'Reilly line is a "librul" and thus the world gets turned sideways and hypocrisies and lies become explainable and that's how you live with yourself.

Watching Whora Ingraham spin lies last night that Obituary King actually called her on...a goofy double standard that is impossible to reason thus argue...is modus operandi here. If you "don't get it", you're being un-American, if you do, you're a Patriot.

[Massacure]

3. Yuck! They got gore all over my clothes!

Doesn't there mother tell them not to explode when Democrats are present?

[GoneOffShore]

39. That's not gore

it's santorum. (go to http://www.spreadingsantorum.com if you don't know what it is)

[neomonkey]

4. I think a great many fools will be shocked on Tuesday

They have fallen into the trap of believing the lies presented by the media. They lacked inquisitiveness, curiosity, the will to know more. They bought the lies. The sheople ate it up, ate up what Fox and MSNBC and CNN and Gallup told them.

Then John Kerry won and they wondered how?

Will they say "John Kerry stole it!"

[Arugula Latte]

6. That one Freeper doesn't understand

national polls mean squat. It's all in the electoral college math, dumbass Freepers.

[librechik]

7. Yes, all Republicans should stay away from the polls.

They can do no evil now. WE will prevail and your kind will fade away.

[hippiechick]

36. EXACTLY !!! They should stay home in droves !!!

:evilgrin: Voting's pointless now !!! :evilgrin:



:hippie:

[Catch22Dem]

8. I agree with one of those freepers...

A close race DOES bring ratings. You think the media gives a shit who the next prez will be? All they care about are ratings, and this race is bringing people to the cable news shows like CRAZY!

[joefree1]

9. Faux News is in damage control

They're worried the Kerry might go after them. Let's send Murdoch back to Australia!

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Murdoch is Australian?

What is Ailes?

[joefree1]

26. Was Australian

Born in Melbourne. Now a US citizen.

No idea what Ailes is.

[Spiffarino]

40. "What is Ailes?"

Jabba the Hutt, with a side of extra evil.

[Mabus]

23. Just from Kerry?

They're on the run, not from Kerry, but from us. Maybe it has begun to really sink in that when we get our act together we can do a lot. We did a good job doing a number on Sinclair and getting them to act more or less responsibly.

Not only that but as more and more people start turning to blogs and other news sources (thank you DU) they're being shown for what they really are. They know that KOS was behind the Bush ad debacle. They know Marshall's on their case with the missing munitions. And Somerby's been eating their lunch for years. And places like this help bring it all together.

Let's face it, this past week has just been incredible. We've been out in force on the ground for elections; on computers, telephones and faxes bombarding the MSM with the inconsistencies and lies of Bush & Co.; stories that would have been otherwise ignored are becoming news. Why? because the MSM, all of them, are on the run from us.

They're running scared. But not just from Kerry. The revolution is going great.

[evilqueen]

37. even us "little" bloggers help... the more places they see it, the better

...and, of course, I'm enjoying the resulting traffic too.

*grins*

[damntexdem]

11. Yes, yes, yes -- tell the Freepers that it's pointless to vote.

Yeah, Freeperland, it's all over, move along, nothing to see here. Just stay off the streets on Tuesday.

[Orsino]

22. I don't think we have to worry...

...about a hundred angry white guys posting from their parents' basements. The Freepers have *never* represented a majority, and their rage has smelled particularly impotent since Clinton left office. No, it's the millions with "United We Stand" bumper stickers who must be persuaded to look at unemployment, the deficit, the corruption and the casualties in Iraq.

The GOP has successfully gotten them bleating, "marriage good, gays bad," diverting their attention from the quality of their lives.

[Peachhead22]

12. Faux is doing GOTV

They're saying "it's gonna be razor close, but * is gonna lose", and the silent subtext is "unless all you viewers vote".

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Well that's pretty stupid GOTV procedure then

because people get discouraged when they hear that!

[kerry2win]

13. Don't worry buttway boys will pick*

funny stuff.

[Nicholas_J]

14. If you look at the tracking polls after the release of the bin Laden tapes

you will see drops across the board for Bush. Kerry's lead in Zogby's latest is not due to increases for Kerry, but a one point total drop for Bush. Since the tracking polls add the latest day, and drop the oldest, this must reflect a much greater drop on Friday for Bush than the one point for the three days indicates. It appears that the tape may be having a more adverse effect on Bush, orr it may also reflect the historical trend that as you get closer to the elections, the remaining undecided voters turn more and more againt the incumbent with each day. Finally the incumbent always has historically finished below the last numbers in polls before the election. So if on monday nuight Bush is polling at 48 percent, he will finish with less than 48 percent of the vote. IF Kerry and Bush are polling equal on Monday night, Kerry's numbers will go up in the last hours, while Buush will go down.At least this is the historical performance during elections.

Then again, muchthat has occured historical has not happened during Bush's administration, as the mid-term elections showed. By historical trends, the ouse and Senatee should have gained Democrats, where they didnt. So we will just have to see what happens. Usually during wars, the country does not switch presidents. But during a war very similar to this one, we switched presidents, from Johnson to Nixon. (Though Johnson dropped out, the Democrats should have kept power. It was the public opposition to Vietnam, and Nixons promise to get us out (with honor mind you) that resulted in Nixon's win.

[wrate]

15. So basically, what you are saying is that it can go either way? :)

[Nicholas_J]

16. Well no....

If Kerry and Bush are equal in the polls, Historically, Bush will drop, Kerry will go up. This means that historically trends favor Kerry, but there have been some evengs during this presidency that have gone against historical trends. I think that enoough historical trends have been bucked however, to make it unlikely that another one will be.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

19. Yep

that's how I understand it. * is basically polling at or near his ceiling while Kerry is polling near his FLOOR.

The fact that chimpie has not consistently polled above 50% all this time (and especially now) does NOT bode well for him, not at all.

[kranich]

17. I used to listen

to Rush Limblob back in the days when Clinton ran against daddy George and recently I have been listening to him again.

He is using the same rhetoric now that he did against Clinton and I suspect it is him trying to prepare his audience for the inevitable. Basically- that he will have four years of important work to do to halt Kerry from advancing us towards socialism.

[helpisontheway]

20. I don't trust Fox at all

Although I would LOVE for them to be right I think they are saying it either to a. cover their butts if Kerry does win or b. to stir up all their right wing crazies so they will go out to vote.

[goodboy]

21. anyone else think FAUX is hedging its bets anticipating a Kerry win?

Maybe they are sucking up now that the reality is setting in that they must be able to talk to President Kerry for the next 8 years

[Mabus]

25. Or trying to stay on the Kerry plane n/t

[evilqueen]

38. I wouldn't give Faux the time of day after the election.

Why should Kerry deal with them at all? They're assholes, they've been assholes for years. Fuck 'em, let them scramble for crumbs from UPI, AP, and Reuters. Heh.

[goodboy]

41. I think it would be the opposite, I think they want to have access to

President Kerry, so they're trying to warm up to him now.

[Democat]

24. Fox may be trying to get out the Republican vote?

Maybe they are trying to tell Republican voters that the only way Bush can win is if every single one of them get out and vote?

Never trust Fox. If they are saying something, no matter what it seems like on the surface, look toward how it helps the right wing in the long run.

[bain_sidhe]

27. I agree. My map using just where Kerry's ahead

(not counting FL, where I think it's up to the lawyers) and one tie that I think is bogus (New Jersey) gives him 268. It's possible that one of New Hampshire's EV's will go to Bu**sh**, which would give him 267 - but there's no remaining battle ground state with 3 votes or less. The smallest state considered a battle ground is Hawaii, with 4 votes.



*edit: fixed speeling*
*edit2: fixed more speeling*
*edit3: explained why FL isn't included*

[qwertyman]

29. Hawaii

Hawaii isn't really a battleground. Those polls are inacurrate because they way oversampled from the island of Oahu, the most Republican-leaning island. Most of the other islands are 2-1 or 3-1 Democratic. Also, polls results were 43-43-1, with 12% undecided. The undecided are almost certainly going to trend towards Kerry. Basically, Kerry's pretty assured of winning Hawaii.

[bain_sidhe]

32. Kerry's actually ahead in NM too

at least, according to the poll data that pops up when you roll over the state. But I thought I remembered reading that it had switched in the Zogby poll, so I left it out. Going just by the ones the LA Times uses, as of now Kerry has won.

[Eurobabe]

34. Cheney just wants to use AF2 for a free trip

need a day at the beach for his ghoulish color.

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[PermanentRevolution]

31. Oh, boy! Here you are again!

And about to get the same result as you did in the Zogby post.

Bye Bye!

[NightTrain]

33. Just reminds you of the final scene of "Scanners," doesn't it?

So, how many of those dickwads will "come out of the closet" at DU during Operation Ultimate Freep? :kick:

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. I thought they were all cleaning their guns while watching the polls