WaPo Pollster on Fox just now said "Last night was a good night for JK"

[unfrigginreal]

[sonicx]

sweet

[MikeG]

1. Sounds like the OBL tape is hurting the Chimp.

[flowomo]

2. that cheers me up! I think the OBL tape is helping, not hurting

[charlyvi]

3. I think Fox is trying to make it sound like shrub is losing

so the repubs will get the vote out for him. If they go with their usual "shrub ahead in a landslide" some repubs will not bother to go to the polls. I think it's all strategy by them. Strategy that won't work, I might add.

[MADem]

11. That could well backfire on them

Well, if FAUX says he is losing, I may as well just stay home, then.

The average FAUX viewer is an idiot. They don't get the subtleties of reverse psychology. Let's hope FAUX makes the crucial error of not elucidating the points they want to make!

[charlyvi]

23. Good point.

I hope you're right!

[michigandem2]

25. MSNBC rw show Scarborough had

practically every state ahead for Bush...if anyone believes that bullshit...I would be surprised..but I find that good for us.

I think the OBL helps...it reminds them that he is STILL after 3 years, out there...watching and paying close attention...because...BUSH didn't get him

[KittyWampus]

39. No, It's Demoralizing The Right At This Point.

[Downtown Hound]

4. Even freepers would have a hard time justifying

America's #1 enemy making fun of our president reading a children's book while he attacked our nation. What a disgrace!

[wicket]

5. great news!

thanks! :)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. WAPO Weights (nt)

[mvd]

7. I am relieved at what I'm seeing so far

:bounce: :bounce:

[tedoll78]

8. Yup. this would seem to indicate that,

before going through the weekend spin cycle, this Osama tape is hurting Bush.

[milkyway]

9. Great! The other 3 tracking polls are trending to Kerry this week; WaPo

was trending to bush.

[Christiandem]

10. Don't mean to be a pessimist

But, how does the OBL tape actually cause last nite to be a good nite for JK? At best, I thought it would be a draw for JK, and wouldn't actually help him nor hurt him at best. I was watching the french news and they were all saying that this actually would help ** more than kerry. The French news aren't like faux news or the media over here and are very objective. I am just amazed by that pollster's statement. Could anyone explain that to me?

[sonicx]

12. gee, i dunno

typical american: "hey look! the guy that planned 9/11! why hasn't bush caught him yet?"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Five Things...

I don't think the pollster said that...


Folks here are inferring that....


It will take a couple of days to play out...


Convention wisdom is often but not always right...

An alternate explanation is Americans don't like a president who can be punked by a terrorist..

[sonicx]

15. unfrigginreal is telling what he/she saw, there was a post in freeper land

that said the same thing.

[Christiandem]

17. what do you think DSB?

You think this will play out at Kerry's advantage or **'s advantage?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Have No Clue...

My bias affects my analysis...


But he punked Bush..... If Bush would have done his job and killed him he wouldn't have been there to punk him...

This point is overlooked...

Whether or not OBL has the ability to conduct terrorist acts his mere presence emboldens terrorists everywhere...

[unfrigginreal]

21. Excuse me? You don't think the pollster said what, chief?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I Believe The Pollster Said Kerry Had A Good Night....

I'd be suprised if he attributed it to the OBL tapes as most folks didn't have time to react...


The story broke at 4 o clock...


chief?????????????????????????????????????



on edit- what site are we at.....................


I thought we were all on the same side... ..

[unfrigginreal]

30. He didn't attribute it to the OBL tape

but he did comment on how he found it interesting that both his poll and the Fox poll were strong for Kerry last night.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Thank You....

That makes sense.....


I think just looking at the time line of when the poll was conducted and when the tape was released it would be hard to make that inference....


I think less than 30% of adults watch the news because NBC, CBS, and ABC are all pulling seven, eight, or nine shsres...

[sonicx]

36. look at it this way...

The peak of the Osama news was Friday. Today and Sunday are football and relaxation days. The news will talk about it a little, but very few will be listening.

By monday, people will be back to news again and by then Osama stuff will have died down.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. It Reminded Me Of An Appearance Of The Boogeyman On Halloween

nt

[Dems Will Win]

14. Kerry "inoculated" himself by criticizing Iraq as a diversion and Tora

Bora failure.

Just as Iraq used to a plus for Bush and is now a minus, so Kerry continuing to rag on Bush about OBL will hurt *.

The war aim should have O-B-L not O-I-L!

[WilliamPitt]

16. Read

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/103004A.shtml

[MADem]

18. Because TERRA THREATS historically help the incumbent

It's the ole RALLY ROUND THE FLAG nonsense.

The problem is, it is OBVIOUS to ANYONE who has not been LIVING IN A CAVE (and apparently, even those who HAVE been living in a cave) that WEECOWBOY BROUGHT THIS SHIT DOWN ON US.

We aren't talking "UNPROVOKED" here anymore. Weewee's actions have made a bad situation worse, and people are waking up to that. That fact NULLIFIES any gain he might otherwise have gotten.

He's no FDR, and this ain't Pearl Harbor!

[Christiandem]

27. yes, that is the concern

Rally around the flag. But this is only supposed to be a short effect, and ** had been using this card for the last 3 years. But still, I am a bit worried...

[MADem]

45. After you have seen the one trick pony

...do the same foolish trick three or four times, you want to move on to something else. My sense is that weecowboy has misunderestimated the American voter.

Stay focused, and work towards victory. The tide is with us.

[Ducks In A Row]

19. because even after the media's whoring...

even they have to admit that bush screwed up.

[Philostopher]

20. Well, it may be that they're assuming people respond simply.

A large portion of the U.S. population isn't terribly rational, and they find things like nuance and explanations inconvenient and troublesome, like a trip to the dentist or a training conference for their jobs. Therefore, when they see the face of the guy Bush* said he'd track down and kill, and the guy's still alive, looks healthy, and is making fun of Bush*, they are likely to have the following reactions:

"Oh, my God -- that raghead! Kill! Obliterate that raghead."

"Wait. Bush* said he was going to track that guy down and kill him. What's that guy still doing on my TV?"

If French journalists are imputing any ability for rationality or logic to large swaths of the American viewing public, they make a mistake. There are plenty of us here who do know how to think, and we're more able to look at facts, discriminate them from propaganda, and we're often satisfied with amibiguity.

We're already voting for Kerry.

[DefenseLawyer]

22. Stay out of my beach front community

deadbeat!

[West Coast Democrat]

26. Which "French" news were you watching?

Just curious.

[Christiandem]

28. France 2

They were asking this one french correspondent in DC about whether this will play to ** or kerry's plan. The guy was hesitant at first, but when pressed by the news anchor for an answer, he said that that it would be to **'s advantage, because fear is always a strong reaction.

I watch the french (or should I say freedom) news all the time, because I lived there before and because it is the only way to get unfiltered news. (yes, I resented **'s comment about France)

[MikeG]

31. It reminds people that W hasn't caught OBL yet.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I Was Offended When He Punked Bush...

Offended at OBL for punking Bush and Bush for allowing himself to be punked...

[Christiandem]

34. not obl's job

it's our job to punk ***, isn't it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Exactly....

You can spank your kid but your neighbor can't spank your kid...


I'm against spanking but it's the first thing to come to mind...

[Christiandem]

40. I agree

I remember going go to Europe and having these people punk **. For some reason, I felt really uncomfortable when they did that. I mean, it wasn't their president, it was mine.

[sonicx]

38. it's not about that

It's about him not being captured by Bush. That's what most voters will think, hopefully.

so what if he insulted bush.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. maybe folks will draw the inference that he insulted bush cuz he's a fool

nt

[Angrillori]

44. But does it?

My (not very bright) coworker, the GOP fundy, got this message:

Well, if OBL is still out there trying to get us, we need to keep * in office because Kerry's not going to get him."

It wasn't until AFTER I pointed out that the fact that OBL is still out there means that * HASN'T caught him, with the combined might of all US intelligence, military, and law enforecment strength at his disposal. I then pointed out that this means that maybe * isn't so good at catching OBL after all...

Nevertheless, it wasn't until I hit him with the "WHY is OBL still loose" meme, that he even considered this a good thing for Kerry.

[Sean Reynolds]

35. That would mean Kerry gained in the three big tracking polls!

Rasmussen he's basically pulled into a tie with Bush.

Zogby he's taken the lead.

WaPo, we don't know, but he could take the lead again.

[Snivi Yllom]

42. * slipping in FOX tracking poll

* 47% Kerry 45% Nader 1%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/103004_poll.pdf